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California Restaurants Defy Foie Gras Ban: Does California Have Too Many Laws?

Fef 2012/07/10 22:00:00
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California has earned a reputation as the "Left Coast," in more ways than one. Even Wikipedia has an entry that defines California as the "Left Coast": "Left Coast is a political expression that implies that the West Coast of the United States leans politically to the left or the expression can refer to states that lean politically left."

Some Californians argue that the state's government went too far in banning foie gras. California banned the food product made of liver of a duck or goose, because of its process of force-feeding the animal.

The Orange County Register reported that Antoine Price, owner of Cafe Mimosa in San Clemente, defied the ban, which went into effect on July 1, 2012. Mr. Price created a dish called, "Foie You!" and claimed, "They can lock me up if they want. I don't mind."

The Presidio Social Club (PSC) in San Francisco also defied the ban -- but on a different legal basis. The PSC claims that California law doesn't have jurisdiction over the restaurant because it sits on federal land not subject state laws. The PSC issued a press statement that read: “PSC will be celebrating two important independences this July: Bastille Day for the French, and the freedom to enjoy Foie Gras for Californians."

FOXNEWS.COM reports:
California may have banned foie gras, but soon you will be able to dine on the duck liver delicacy in one San Francisco restaurant.
banned foie gras dine duck liver delicacy san francisco restaurant

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  • Shadow13 2012/07/11 02:23:16 (edited)
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    Shadow13
    +15
    This ban is not an example of a "nanny state." It is about preventing the abusive industrialized practices that many factory farms use. This law is about stopping animal abuse, and the profiting from it.
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  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/13 21:28:31
    edifyguy
    Silly liberal; the test I took involved no regurgitation of information, and was, IIRC 100% problem-solving and analysis. You were saying?



    They were Libertarian. PROGRESSIVE doesn't mean new ideas; it means communist, or at least it has in recent memory. It means that we should throw off the old, simply because it's old, and institute things that have been proven again and again to fail, simply because they sound compassionate.
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/13 23:03:41
    Wesloco
    Intelligence Quota test are by definition a measurement of how much you can regurgitate and to top they have been found to be extremely biased to certain cultures giving members of that culture an unwarranted advantage and for this reason they are no longer used in many schools when they are trying to get an accurate picture of a student's ability. But of course with a 147 IQ you probably already knew that. (-:

    As for your equating progressivism with communism, I don't see it, some people may try to equate it to socialism because of its efforts to help those who need the most even if it means taking a little more from those who have "earned" more. Read eliminate the Bush/Obama tax cuts for those making over $250,000. (-:
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/14 17:11:25
    edifyguy
    Karl Marx, the creator of communism, said "From each as he is able; to each according to his need." That is the modus operandi and rallying cry of progressives all over the world. It is inherently unfair, as one person receives something he did not earn, while another person loses something he did earn. The only fair system is pure capitalism: you keep what you earn.



    I don't know what IQ test you're referencing, but the one I took was not about information recall, as I previously stated. There is a large difference between standardized academic testing and IQ testing, though I will freely admit that I did very well in the standardized tests as well.
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/15 04:26:15
    Wesloco
    The only way that millionaires and billionaires "earn" their fortunes is by exploiting those who do the real work and they are able to this because them that gots the gold make the rules. Pure capitalism leads to robber barons and the monopolization that Teddy Roosevelt fought at the turn of the last century.

    Standardized testing is the Bell Curve, IQ test are a demonstrated fluency of western ideas.
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/17 20:31:06
    edifyguy
    If you really believe all that, please move to Russia; there are plenty of people over there who would enjoy your company.
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/17 22:05:01
    Wesloco
    There is nothing in Russia that I would want (except maybe their women, them Russian babes are hot) and nothing I have stated is any where near socialist let alone communist, it's just that because of you guys with the high IQs but no common sense the country is losing its entire middle class. In the end we will only have the rich and the poor: nothing in the middle.
  • aneed2know edifyguy 2012/07/13 04:36:32
    aneed2know
    +2
    They were progressive people and understood that the old order would not work, so why are you so hell bent on preserving a economic system that has failed the average American?

    No you are proudly willfully ignorant and i am willing to say most democrats now days (elected ones), are not thinking like the founders in a progressive way like the founders.
  • edifyguy aneed2know 2012/07/13 21:11:05
    edifyguy
    +1
    I am not interested in preserving this economic system, but this system is not the one our founders gave us. We presently live under a half-communist, half-capitalist system that is completely broken. We need to go back to the original economic system: people earn money, keep it all, and use it to better their family's life, and the lives of their neighbors.
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/13 23:07:40
    Wesloco
    +1
    Under our founding fathers system only landowning white men could vote! Are you cool with that? And where do you get this communist BS from? What is communistic about our system? I could maybe believe you if you said somewhat socialist but communist? Give me a break!
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/14 17:16:17
    edifyguy
    +1
    We have a heavy progressive income tax; communism calls for that. If nothing else, that proves that communism is partially implemented here. Furthermore, I am completely OK with only having landowners be able to vote. I would thrill to have a system in which people with no stake in their country could not influence their government. I think that removing the race favoritism was good, although I tend to think that womens' suffrage was a bad idea, since they almost always vote for communism a.k.a. making Uncle Sam their sugar daddy. Women are not wired for Liberty; they're wired for security, which is what communism promises. It is, however, a false promise. It lasts only until the will of the productive to produce is broken, and then the entire system collapses.
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/15 04:28:57
    Wesloco
    WOW! Thank you for your honesty, I will let your statements stand for themselves, I need add nothing more. )-:
  • aneed2know edifyguy 2012/07/14 04:03:19
    aneed2know
    and they did not give us 50 states either so how about we go back to 13? They also did not give us a country free from slavery so how about we go back there also.

    You guys are dumb
  • edifyguy aneed2know 2012/07/14 17:17:26
    edifyguy
    "You guys are dumb"



    I don't know how I can refute such a brilliant argument. :/
  • edifyguy aneed2know 2012/07/13 21:30:14
    edifyguy
    I am not interested in preserving this economic system, but this system is not the one our founders gave us. We presently live under a half-communist, half-capitalist system that is completely broken. We need to go back to the original economic system: people earn money, keep it all, and use it to better their family's life, and the lives of their neighbors. They did this without the interference of legions of petty dictators. This system made America great. The system in use here and now is rapidly becoming the same system that has made most of Europe an economic basket-case. It should be scrapped, and Liberty and personal responsibility should replace it.
  • Wesloco aneed2know 2012/07/13 23:05:31
    Wesloco
    +1
    I agree with you because if they were truly progressive thay would have passed the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) on the first vote and with the public option!
  • aneed2know Wesloco 2012/07/13 04:33:58
    aneed2know
    yep
  • aneed2know Wesloco 2012/07/13 04:33:35
    aneed2know
    +1
    Or this one " An ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of Cure"
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/15 17:27:42
    dekecds
    I agree with you that our education system is failing to produce thinkers. It wasn't this bad when I attended, but after seeing what they teach now to my nephew, it stinks. I think that the problem is two fold:
    1.) Over funding of HS athletics in lieu of educational program improvements and higher teacher salaries. I see it every day now with huge tour buses, high tech bleachers/scoreboards, and indoor astro-turf fields at schools with less than 500 students total!

    That particular example is from my hometown and I am actively fighting the war against similar decisions being made by the city council for city money allocation. I am having moderate success since I have recently defeated a lock out of solar energy projects within my community. Can you imagine that? We are 4 years away from having rolling blackouts similar to California on our shared grid, and my hometown city council was adamant about not approving the installation of solar arrays on any home that was tied to the city grid! That wasn't even using city funds, but they said that the loss of revenue for city utilities would prevent the downtown project to beautify the main square! Ultimately I had to do the math for them and show them that the losses in 2016 onward, due to GVEC having to roll power distribution, cou...

    I agree with you that our education system is failing to produce thinkers. It wasn't this bad when I attended, but after seeing what they teach now to my nephew, it stinks. I think that the problem is two fold:
    1.) Over funding of HS athletics in lieu of educational program improvements and higher teacher salaries. I see it every day now with huge tour buses, high tech bleachers/scoreboards, and indoor astro-turf fields at schools with less than 500 students total!

    That particular example is from my hometown and I am actively fighting the war against similar decisions being made by the city council for city money allocation. I am having moderate success since I have recently defeated a lock out of solar energy projects within my community. Can you imagine that? We are 4 years away from having rolling blackouts similar to California on our shared grid, and my hometown city council was adamant about not approving the installation of solar arrays on any home that was tied to the city grid! That wasn't even using city funds, but they said that the loss of revenue for city utilities would prevent the downtown project to beautify the main square! Ultimately I had to do the math for them and show them that the losses in 2016 onward, due to GVEC having to roll power distribution, could hinder them much more than the 10% population we plan to have under solar power by then.

    2.) Unnaturally increased population of students for which to account funding(ie; illegal immigration)
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  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/15 20:11:16
    Wesloco
    In the words of the gipper, "there you go again!" Illegal aliens are the cause of all the woes in your community! That tune has gotten real old!
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/15 23:03:37
    dekecds
    Oh, and did you get the part about misapropriated education funds? No? That escaped you? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder, or you don't care how many people flood this country, only to recieve unfair wages and find themselves in a unique predicament where the only option they have is to just keep working. No voting, no modern amenities, no driver's license, definitiely no chance of ever moving up in their jobs. Maybe you'd like to keep it that way? GET YOUR GOD DAMNED CHIP OFF YOUR SHOULDER! IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE SITUATION!

    You sound like a looney leftist! They don't get the idea that undocumented people in this country cause economical issues by default. It's not their personal fault. All they want is food, shelter, and a job. So, either close the god damned border or start documenting them and giving them citizenship! Either way, I don't care. Just do something fiscally smart and financially responsible!
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/16 00:03:03
    Wesloco
    You are the one who keeps blaming those people, that in your own words come here to work, for all your woes yet you say I have the chip on my shoulder. I beg to differ. (-:
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/16 00:13:44 (edited)
    dekecds
    Once again....... ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS THE PROBLEM, NOT MEXICAN PEOPLE WHO COME HERE ILLEGALY ! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!! YOU WANT THIS TO BE ABOUT THE PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T!! YOU HAVE A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER!

    Is that clear enough?

    Oh, and... WHAT WOES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THAT FROM MY FIRST POST!
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/16 01:03:54
    Wesloco
    You've stated your woes over and over, having to pay for little illegal kids to go to school, unsubsidized education, coyotes living in houses with 40 people, yada, yada!

    I never said anything about Mexicans being a problem, the only thing I said about Mexicans is that they wouldn't be to keen on your idea of taking over their country as the 51st state.

    Goodness sake, these illegal aliens really got you uptight, mellow down man, in the scheme of things illegal immigration is not our biggest problem, it's just that it's easy to attack those who cannot fight back.
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/16 12:51:14
    dekecds
    You said "in the scheme of things illegal immigration is not our biggest problem, it's just that it's easy to attack those who cannot fight back."

    1.) You're right, immigration is not our biggest problem. It is definitely top ten though, and I imagine it being right around 6 or 7.

    2.) You're still making this an attack on the migrating people
    "...easy to attack those who cannot fight back."
    when it is about an economical issue.
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/16 13:24:01
    Wesloco
    Okay, finally you are beginning to understand, so now since this issue is maybe 6 or 7 why are we not discussing issue # 1 which is the people's lack of confidence in the economy because of the do nothing congress' refusal to work with the president but rather they sit there and do nothing hoping to make Mitch McConell's number one agenda item of making Barack Hussein Obama a one term president a reality.
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/16 17:32:01
    dekecds
    Here, I think, is the trouble with REALLY turning the economy around to a more permanently stable situation. Out of the top ten problems that we have in this country that can be resolved, 8 of them are directly related to the economy. This is the order that I see them.
    1.) Election year governmental neglect (this one is not directly related to the economy but does affect it)
    2.) Foreign Policy - Directly related to the economy
    3.) Misappropriation of spending - Economy Boosters that get re-directed overseas, military spending on Golf courses (20% of USN budget in 2009) and pet projects, earmarked bills that squash competition for grant money.
    4.) Tech suppression by government influence - Vehicle development, alternative energy, business law regarding non-compete clauses and such.
    5.) States Rights vs Federal Law - No state shall pass into law any statute that exceeds similar statutes of federal law. What happened here? Issues like gay marriage wouldn't be an issue if this were enforced, because no state could enforce a ban on it.
    6.) Illegal immigration - Economy, ethics, and security related.
    7.) Domestic Poverty - Resultant of and affecting the economy in a majority of cases.
    8.)Health Care - Already unnaturally influenced by lack of competition and regulation in health care mark...

    Here, I think, is the trouble with REALLY turning the economy around to a more permanently stable situation. Out of the top ten problems that we have in this country that can be resolved, 8 of them are directly related to the economy. This is the order that I see them.
    1.) Election year governmental neglect (this one is not directly related to the economy but does affect it)
    2.) Foreign Policy - Directly related to the economy
    3.) Misappropriation of spending - Economy Boosters that get re-directed overseas, military spending on Golf courses (20% of USN budget in 2009) and pet projects, earmarked bills that squash competition for grant money.
    4.) Tech suppression by government influence - Vehicle development, alternative energy, business law regarding non-compete clauses and such.
    5.) States Rights vs Federal Law - No state shall pass into law any statute that exceeds similar statutes of federal law. What happened here? Issues like gay marriage wouldn't be an issue if this were enforced, because no state could enforce a ban on it.
    6.) Illegal immigration - Economy, ethics, and security related.
    7.) Domestic Poverty - Resultant of and affecting the economy in a majority of cases.
    8.)Health Care - Already unnaturally influenced by lack of competition and regulation in health care market due to inept government intervention, soon to be influenced down the mandatory car insurance route, driving prices higher for some simple services.
    9.) Government Disaster aid - There has to be a better way!
    10.) Mandatory Civil Service upon completion of High School for 18 months in order to attend college. Why don't we have this? It could lower taxes, teach skills, and provide a mobile disaster aid force at all times.
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  • Lanikai Wesloco 2012/07/12 18:30:56
    Lanikai
    WHAT THE HECK?????


    Texas has awesome BBQ. Move if you hate the freedom.
  • Wesloco Lanikai 2012/07/12 21:21:33
    Wesloco
    +1
    Which freedom are referring to? Certainly not my freedom to vote! Texas is on the cutting edge of those states infringing upon the people's right to vote. As for moving, I will not, I am part of an active and growing group moving to changing this state from red to blue.
  • aneed2know Lanikai 2012/07/13 04:37:27
    aneed2know
    so is that all that matters awesome BBQ?
  • Gahnzo 2012/07/11 19:24:32
    Yes
    Gahnzo
    +3
    You can see it in the exodus of businesses from year to year.. The loss of businesses over the past 3 years has been incredible. Any business that has any brains has realized that the left wing looney crowd (Political Left) has enabled so many entitlements and regulations that a business will be unable to make a profit if they remain in California. This is not only in the restaurants, but in manufacturing, service, you name it, and the companies are fleeing en masse. You can only tax for so long and increase that tax over and over before someone eventually says... Bye bye... so long farwell auf weidersehen....find some other sucker to bleed dry.. Ca is gonna go bankrupt, and the left still thinks they can squeeze more money out of it's citizens and businesses. truly insanity at it's finest..
  • Bill 2012/07/11 19:12:50
    Yes
    Bill
    +1
    Too many stupid assed ideas like this that keep the attention away from what the politicians are really doing. Maybe they should ban refried beans instead.
  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/07/11 19:00:49
    Yes
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    But not because of this (I am in fact against cruelty to any living thing, unless you have no choice for one reason or another - i.e. the beast deserves to get itself knocked out or killed for being malicious). This damned State has regulated itself into hell and is being pushed deeper to the center all of the time. And it isn't happening to JUST California.
  • dave b 2012/07/11 18:55:44
    Yes
    dave b
    +2
    The idiot CommieMexifornia 'lawmakers' (Liberal majority, btw) just keep making laws on top of laws on top of more laws. They are all about criminalizing everyone in the state except those here illegally.
    This foie gras thing is just another one. While I dont eat it, nor agree with the way its made, I think its something that needs to be addressed on a personal choice level....but these Libs love to control people so they stick their noses into everything they can.
    God I hate Libs.
  • Justin Teufel Hunden 2012/07/11 18:44:45
    Yes
    Justin Teufel Hunden
    Too many ... You know.
  • boneman1 2012/07/11 18:42:44
    Yes
    boneman1
    +1
    Of course they do, but they're not alone. We have far too many laws at every level. When things got started here we had a pretty short list of laws. Then somewhere along the way we started letting lawyers run things and now instead of enforcing laws based on their obvious meaning, if it doesn't define in minute detail that something's wrong we let people off the hook. We should have a very short list of laws and apply them based on their intent. People know the difference between right and wrong and if you do something wrong that violates the meaning of one of those laws you go to jail. People should not be getting around the law on technicalities.
  • DS in Oak Ridge NC 2012/07/11 18:39:52
    Yes
    DS in Oak Ridge NC
    +1
    That's one reason I moved away in 2007. Miss the sun and beaches, but little else.
  • laura 2012/07/11 18:16:48
    Yes
    laura
    +2
    We vote with our dollars. If you don't want it, don't eat it.
  • Leantom, the Economic Ratio... 2012/07/11 18:10:56
    Yes
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +2
    Idiotic.

    I love foie gras. I love it how, when leftists don't approve of something (especially when their disapproval is based purely on sentiment, not reason), they seek to ban everyone from taking part in it.

    They're Prohibitionists on steroids.

    Don't like foie gras? Don't eat it.
  • William Weber 2012/07/11 17:51:00
    No
    William Weber
    +1
    I believe in states rights, and that means the right to make as many stupid laws as the states want. That also means that the people of the state that don't like the laws can move. There's a difference between a state making a law and the Federal Government making a law. It's much easier to move from California to Arizona than it is to move from the U.S to Mexico or Canada
  • D D 2012/07/11 17:50:10
    Yes
    D D
    +7
    That is one of the main reasons I will never live there. Insane liberals that love to create more and more laws.

    bei

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