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California Restaurants Defy Foie Gras Ban: Does California Have Too Many Laws?

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California has earned a reputation as the "Left Coast," in more ways than one. Even Wikipedia has an entry that defines California as the "Left Coast": "Left Coast is a political expression that implies that the West Coast of the United States leans politically to the left or the expression can refer to states that lean politically left."

Some Californians argue that the state's government went too far in banning foie gras. California banned the food product made of liver of a duck or goose, because of its process of force-feeding the animal.

The Orange County Register reported that Antoine Price, owner of Cafe Mimosa in San Clemente, defied the ban, which went into effect on July 1, 2012. Mr. Price created a dish called, "Foie You!" and claimed, "They can lock me up if they want. I don't mind."

The Presidio Social Club (PSC) in San Francisco also defied the ban -- but on a different legal basis. The PSC claims that California law doesn't have jurisdiction over the restaurant because it sits on federal land not subject state laws. The PSC issued a press statement that read: “PSC will be celebrating two important independences this July: Bastille Day for the French, and the freedom to enjoy Foie Gras for Californians."

FOXNEWS.COM reports:
California may have banned foie gras, but soon you will be able to dine on the duck liver delicacy in one San Francisco restaurant.
banned foie gras dine duck liver delicacy san francisco restaurant

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  • Shadow13 2012/07/11 02:23:16 (edited)
    No
    Shadow13
    +15
    This ban is not an example of a "nanny state." It is about preventing the abusive industrialized practices that many factory farms use. This law is about stopping animal abuse, and the profiting from it.
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  • Lanikai Purple ... 2012/07/12 18:30:05
    Lanikai
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    Well, banning it will not stop the practice, nor will it stop veal production which is also vile. Nor a lot of others.

    Plus who is going to enforce this?? A fleet of food police? That Cali cannot afford to pay?

    Glad I don't live in CalifornaMexico.
  • Purple ... Lanikai 2012/07/13 05:02:36 (edited)
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    Exactly. That's why I answered with the 'too many laws' option. I agree on the veal, and you know, since the methods used to raise veal were brought to the attention of the public some 30 years ago, I do believe it's popularity dropped off dramatically.

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  • Christopher Kirchen 2012/07/11 20:57:12
    Yes
    Christopher Kirchen
    +2
    Plus that is a stupid ban.
  • Fashionable60s 2012/07/11 20:55:11
    Yes
    Fashionable60s
    +4
    The food police and increasingly militant PETA people think they have the right to tell Californians what they could and could not eat. Hey, you don't like something in a restaurant don't order it or don't patronize the restaurant. To create a blanket law that covers California is over the top. Next, they'll go against vegans who eat only plant-base food and demonstrate in front of vegan restaurants the way Al Shapton (media whore) did recently together with plant rightists, would try to stop the restaurants from serving vegetables as you know, wink, wink, plants have souls and rights, too, just like ducks. It is the case of the inmates taking over the mental hospitals here.
  • Alli 2012/07/11 19:41:13
    Yes
    Alli
    +2
    Everyone does though
  • Wesloco 2012/07/11 19:40:36
    No
    Wesloco
    +2
    I used to live in California and now I live in Texas and I'll tell you those laws are needed, I mean in Texas it's like eat at a restaurant at your own risk!
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/12 00:04:14
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/12 04:43:45
    Wesloco
    +1
    What am I doing in Texas? I'm here as part of the cohort that is going to move this state from red to blue! That's what I'm doing in Texas, dekecds, since you must know! Talking about taxes, my home in California was worth four times what my home in Texas is worth but my property taxes in California were less than what I pay in Texas today so even if there is no state income tax I still pay the same if not more taxes in Texas than in Cali.
  • aneed2know Wesloco 2012/07/12 05:12:04
    aneed2know
    +2
    You know i am from California and like most states, everyone wants certain services but dont want to pay for the services. In California they want police protection but dont want to pay for it. It is the same story where ever i have been in this country and in fact there has to be a only a handful of states who actually will pay for the services or the lifestyle they want.
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/12 13:34:25
    dekecds
    +3
    Let's see....it's not safe to eat here....the taxes suck here....your property was worth four times as much (which apparently you think is a good thing, I mean, it sounds good on paper right?).....so, what are you doing in Texas again?
    Good luck changing this state to anything, it takes a long time to change these folks mind around here, especially when so much of our economy is based on things that the Looney Left is against ( Oil, Beef, Farming)
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/12 14:29:40
    Wesloco
    Just look at the voting trends in the past ten years! Look at the Rio Grande Valley and it's transformation in the past twenty years. The Rio Grande Valley is your Texas of 2050!

    Texas voting map
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/12 18:03:35
    edifyguy
    +2
    Obama ran as a moderate. He pretended not to be what he is. You won't see that map again in 2012!
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/12 18:10:41
    Wesloco
    In the words of Mr. Potter, from It's a Wonderful Life, sentimental hogwash! (-:
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/12 18:19:22
    edifyguy
    +2
    You do realize that you've just quoted the villain, right? Mr. Potter wasn't someone to whom I would intentionally compare myself!
  • Lanikai edifyguy 2012/07/12 18:32:17
    Lanikai
    +1
    At least we all know what that troll is now though.
  • edifyguy Lanikai 2012/07/12 18:34:09
    edifyguy
    LOL!
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/12 21:05:07
    Wesloco
    So what's your point?
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/12 19:08:51
    dekecds
    well, duh! Unless the immigration issue is fixed! Nanny states are great for those who just want a free ride, but terrible for those who wish to rise above some government-issued-low-cieling... job.
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/12 21:24:06
    Wesloco
    The immigration issue? You mean illegal immigration? Illegal aliens can't vote and especially in Texas. I hope you are not talking about curtailing the most American of pardigms which is legal immigration. So again, which immigration issue?
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/13 20:17:30
    dekecds
    The children of Illegal immigration and thier sympathetic bretheren will vote for them. It is happening right now and will only grow in the future unless something is done.
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/13 20:39:32
    Wesloco
    According to the 14th Amendment, the children of illegal aliens born in the United States are just as much American as those born to legal aliens and U.S. citizens so they have the right to vote and it is with their support, through are active recruitment, that we have solidified southern Texas as blue and we are already making enormous gains in Bexar county too. The good thing for us is that they are a prolific lot as compared to the conservatives and so we have plenty of growth projected just in reproduction by those already here. As for the sympathetic brethren, I don't have any idea what that means. (-:
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/14 02:29:42
    dekecds
    You know, the last time we were told what we could and couldn't do, on a scale this large, was prior to us being a nation. But it sounds like you're ok with that.
    I completely understand the idea behind allowing the children of illegal aliens to be full fledged citizens. This is a compassionate standpoint for those who had no choice about being born here. What bothers me though, is that they are in a position to be biased toward issues involving hand outs.
    They are born of my tax dollars, raised with my tax dollars, go to school on my tax dollars, and get a huge discount on college with my tax dollars( with lower GPA standards for entry).
    Meanwhile, as a B+/A- student, I recieved no federal aid and worked two jobs while attending college, just to pay for a travel trailer slip and books/tuition. This wasn't working out for me with the schedule conflicts, so I joined the Navy. 12 years later, the GI bill only picks up half the cost, (which has risen 120%) so I am back to working two jobs again to finish school. WTF??
    It's too bad I'm not the child of an illegal immigrant....right?
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/14 03:49:22
    Wesloco
    What? Are you looking for sympathy from me? What you describe is exactly what you would prescribe for everyone so what can I say, it's your bed, sleep in it. There is no idea or compassionate standpoint for the children of illegals born here being American citizens, there is a law, a Constitutional Amendment which compels it so keep your compassion to yourself. Has for handouts and all the other BS you spew, that's just your stereotypical biases that make you see those that are not like you as the cause of your personal failings and unfulfilled life.
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/14 05:32:58
    dekecds
    I'm confused here.....what is it that you are getting at? How did I make this "bed" to sleep in that gives a free handout to people that did nothing to earn it? How is it BS? Is it a stereotype that there is now special legislation to ensure the children of illegal immigrants get yet another discount on their college education while the natives still have to pony up 100%? That's not a stereotype, IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! And yes, I do see anyone outside of the US as being different from me. They didn't pay US income taxes (which is why they are different), so why do they get to use mine to go to college?
    As for the constitutional amendment, if it was not a matter of compassion, then what was it? Executive, judicial, legislative, what?
    The entire Constitution is based on some aspect of freedom. It provides the framework for protection of that freedom through adjudication, legislation, and execution.
    The amendments arise as sympathetic response to areas that are unclear, such that proper action can be taken to protect every American's freedom.
    When an amendment excludes other American's rights in favor of some, it is time to either change that amendment, or close the loophole that makes it unequal.
    So, STOP ALLOWING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND WE WON"T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR CHILDREN!!
    And again, what BS am I spewing, how is my life unfulfilled, and how have I failed personally?
  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/14 10:49:06
    Wesloco
    Evidence that you have an unfulfilled life comes from your demonstrated need to scapegoat others for your personal shortcomings.

    Constitution and its amendments we're not written out of compassion but rather to protect what the forefathers called inalienable rights given by God.

    I never accused you of making a bed but rather of describing one (there is a difference between both verbs) and I surmised from your attitude of self-pity that you long to benefit from what you say is given to American citizens born to illegal aliens.

    Since most of what ou say is simply your biased interpretation I call it BS and since it comes out as if from a spigot I describe it as being spewed. (-:

    Hope this helps clarify things for your confused little brain. (-:
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/14 21:57:15
    dekecds
    ok, you didn't get it....
    1.) You said "...it's your bed, sleep in it." , implying that I somehow chose this "bed" to sleep in, which you have yet to describe to me. What "bed" is that?
    2.) What self pity? I simply described what it takes to get a college education. Why would I need someone to pity me for that?
    3.) What, exactly, is my interpretation? I assume that BS is another way of saying "lies". Do we not fund hospital care/births, for illegals, that are uninsured/unpaid for with tax dollars? Do your parents not pay taxes that are subsequently used to pay for your K-12 schooling, and also those whose parents didn't (because they aren't citizens)? Do we not provide welfare money to support the children of illegal immigrants? Do we not provide additional federal funding to the children of illegal immigrants to attend college with no other qualifications than the status of their birth parents?
    4.)I don't want to benefit from some program that is given to an exclusive set of people. I want the $200,000 of tax money that I have paid in over my lifetime to benefit all Americans equally, not just some. If a group of successful children of illegals wants to put together a 501(c)3 like UNCF, HSF, or APIASF, that's fine. Don't make me work to pay for them with my taxes, let the charity...








    ok, you didn't get it....
    1.) You said "...it's your bed, sleep in it." , implying that I somehow chose this "bed" to sleep in, which you have yet to describe to me. What "bed" is that?
    2.) What self pity? I simply described what it takes to get a college education. Why would I need someone to pity me for that?
    3.) What, exactly, is my interpretation? I assume that BS is another way of saying "lies". Do we not fund hospital care/births, for illegals, that are uninsured/unpaid for with tax dollars? Do your parents not pay taxes that are subsequently used to pay for your K-12 schooling, and also those whose parents didn't (because they aren't citizens)? Do we not provide welfare money to support the children of illegal immigrants? Do we not provide additional federal funding to the children of illegal immigrants to attend college with no other qualifications than the status of their birth parents?
    4.)I don't want to benefit from some program that is given to an exclusive set of people. I want the $200,000 of tax money that I have paid in over my lifetime to benefit all Americans equally, not just some. If a group of successful children of illegals wants to put together a 501(c)3 like UNCF, HSF, or APIASF, that's fine. Don't make me work to pay for them with my taxes, let the charity do it!
    5.)What personal shortcomings do you perceive that I have, and who am I using as a scapegoat to blame it on?

    For the record, in 2011:
    - illegal immigration cost the US $183 Billion in federally funded programs for health care, education, state owned lodging, and welfare to those under the age of 18.
    - the bottom 50% of tax payers(by population, not income) paid in only $20 billion after credits and returns
    -total income tax revenue after credits and returns was $1.3 trillion, with only $846 billion of that coming from the 50th-99th percentile.
    -70% of the population makes less than $50k per year
    - That means that 22% of the revenue made by ALL people making over 50K (and 20% of those making less) goes to fund the results of illegal immigration.
    -average wage per household is $42K per year
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  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/15 04:15:20
    Wesloco
    In the U.S. illegal aliens are not eligible for any services. If the children of illegal aliens are illegal the only benefit they can receive is a k-12 education because the public schools do not require proof of legal residency in any state simply proof of residency so that taxes from homèowners and renters in that district can be used to provide the education. Children of illegal aliens who are citizens are eligible for all services provided to any other citizen. In Texas governor Perry sign legislation that allows illegal aliens who are residents of Texas to pay in state tuition. He didn't give them anything extra. You are a whining little man who obviously is very dissatisfied with his personal circumstances so you choose to blame illegal aliens and their children for your pitiful little life. That means that the illegals and their kids are having more success than you who are a citizen and have every opportunity at ÿour disposal. It really sucks to be you. )-:
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/15 17:05:27
    dekecds
    First, you still have yet to identify these shortcomings that I posses or these distasteful circumstances that I am in. Also, you insist on belittling me, rather than intelligent argument. I have yet to demean you in this conversation, but you seem affronted and vengeful. To quote you, you have said the following belittling things:

    -"your pitiful little life"
    - "You are a whining little man"
    -"...all the other BS you spew"
    -"you see those that are not like you as the cause of your personal failings and unfulfilled life."
    -"...you have an unfulfilled life..."
    -"...need to scapegoat others for your personal shortcomings."

    You're right about illegals not being "eligible" for any services. But you forget that services like births, emergencies, etc.. are law binding renders for the hospitals and doctors, who are then re-imbursed by the feds when the person is uninsured or can't pay.

    In Texas, each public school student is funded, by local,state, and federal taxes, with an average of $11k per year. These taxes are paid by citizens of each community, per capita locally, and at the state level. Do you not get what this means to a small town in regard to making city tax decisions? It also effects small town water and utility charges, since the combined pool of money is what is used to fund ...








    First, you still have yet to identify these shortcomings that I posses or these distasteful circumstances that I am in. Also, you insist on belittling me, rather than intelligent argument. I have yet to demean you in this conversation, but you seem affronted and vengeful. To quote you, you have said the following belittling things:

    -"your pitiful little life"
    - "You are a whining little man"
    -"...all the other BS you spew"
    -"you see those that are not like you as the cause of your personal failings and unfulfilled life."
    -"...you have an unfulfilled life..."
    -"...need to scapegoat others for your personal shortcomings."

    You're right about illegals not being "eligible" for any services. But you forget that services like births, emergencies, etc.. are law binding renders for the hospitals and doctors, who are then re-imbursed by the feds when the person is uninsured or can't pay.

    In Texas, each public school student is funded, by local,state, and federal taxes, with an average of $11k per year. These taxes are paid by citizens of each community, per capita locally, and at the state level. Do you not get what this means to a small town in regard to making city tax decisions? It also effects small town water and utility charges, since the combined pool of money is what is used to fund things like education, police force, road upkeep(within city limits), waste disposal, etc...

    Yes, you are correct in saying that the children of illegals are having more success than I am. Here is how they are doing it: They are, by default, Hispanic in Texas, which means that they need not make the same grades to achieve acceptance. This also means that they qualify for segregated federal grants for Hispanics. This also means that they qualify for special, low interest, federal loans reserved for both Hispanics and low income households. And, now, Texas legislation is focusing their attentions on how to lower their costs for college. This is fine with me (the lowering of costs by allowing in-state tuition makes sense, they live here and are now paying taxes when they work).
    From a narrow view, this does not bother me, because I don't care how they get their education. Many of them still have to work through college to be able to live a comfortable life suited to good study habits.
    From a holistic view, it goes the opposite direction. I am always interested in where my tax money goes and why my city taxes and state property taxes just went up. Oh....look at that....we have to compensate state schools(K-12 and collegiate) for increased student numbers and we have to help fund emergency health care for minors. Well ok, but aren't there more parents, or are parents having more kids? No, the influx of illegals is creating a large population of unfunded/underfunded children. Well, why are my taxes being used to that end?

    If the immigration issue were solved (via a massive line at the border that simply hands out citizenship if need be!), this would not be the time/money wasting issue that it is! Get people working and paying local taxes (there aren't any income taxes for our state) per capita, rather than having 40 people in one house, with one "coyote" paying city bills, making under the table wages that are unfair, and being unable to actually rent/buy on their own and pay city utilities and the like!
    Everyone's in-state and out-of-state tuition would go down! (unless the faculty felt they needed more money throughout the collegiate field, but I doubt that, since they would eventually have to compete with other states to keep attendance up)

    If I had my way, we'd work a deal to annex Mexico and be done with it! Countless university studies have proven the economical advantage of that idea!
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  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/15 20:03:44
    Wesloco
    WOW! Where do I begin? You are a piece of work, for sure! (-:

    Look everything you have quoted above I said and I stand by it. I don't know you personally so I can attribute to you only what I surmise from your postings and all I have seen up to now is that you complain about the illegals and their children taking away your taxes. If that is the case then why haven't you done something about it? You are part of the decision making body! You vote these politicians into office! The illegals can't vote!

    Your complaing about hospital cost that are not reimbursed. Well let me ask you this: what are you doing to make sure that the Affordable Care Act is quickly implemented so that all people requiring services are insured? That would solve at least the problem of people going to the emergency room and not having insurance but the GOP continues to try to repeal this act which even the Supreme Court has found to be constitutional.

    Now you even propose annexing a whole country! Where did you ever get the idea thàt Mexico wants to be a part of the USA?
  • dekecds Wesloco 2012/07/15 22:53:39
    dekecds
    First: I refuse to insult you, though you have made many assumptions about me that are both subjective and demeaning.
    Second: You are ignorant. I mean this not as an insult, but in truth. You think that hospital costs are not re-imbursed when an uninsured person fails to pay their bills. That means that you really don't know.

    -The idea has come up amongst several thinkers both here and in Mexico, that either a closer shared economic agreement or combination of the two countries would benefit us both, though the scale of work to be done to accomplish that is currently prohibitive. I am in favor of a closer economic relationship with Mexico in the meantime, by paying workers inside the borders of Mexico according to our own national payscale in exchange for a partial income tax on the employees or directly from employers who outsource to Mexico. They wouldn't benefit from lower wage workers, but they would still benefit from lower cost materials until the Mexican economy is strong enough to match those wages to produce the materials being bought.

    - As for the affordable care act, it is a good framework for a good idea, but there is not enough in it to direct the market for health care in the proper direction. Currently it really only forces you to buy it, but doesn't regulate the...


    First: I refuse to insult you, though you have made many assumptions about me that are both subjective and demeaning.
    Second: You are ignorant. I mean this not as an insult, but in truth. You think that hospital costs are not re-imbursed when an uninsured person fails to pay their bills. That means that you really don't know.

    -The idea has come up amongst several thinkers both here and in Mexico, that either a closer shared economic agreement or combination of the two countries would benefit us both, though the scale of work to be done to accomplish that is currently prohibitive. I am in favor of a closer economic relationship with Mexico in the meantime, by paying workers inside the borders of Mexico according to our own national payscale in exchange for a partial income tax on the employees or directly from employers who outsource to Mexico. They wouldn't benefit from lower wage workers, but they would still benefit from lower cost materials until the Mexican economy is strong enough to match those wages to produce the materials being bought.

    - As for the affordable care act, it is a good framework for a good idea, but there is not enough in it to direct the market for health care in the proper direction. Currently it really only forces you to buy it, but doesn't regulate the outcome from unnatural market influence. I would like to support it more than just with lip service, but I can't. I don't feel that it is unconstitutional to mandate healthcare, but I do feel that it is unconstitutional to force a fine on persons who wish to forgo health care insurance, and subsequently it is unconstitutional to hold medical professionals accountable for those who might die as a result of not being able to afford health care.

    - I feel that the Affordable Care Act is going to do the same thing to health care that vehicle insurance laws have done to car insurance prices. People will be filling the pockets of insurance magnates who need only provide a reserve of $1800 per 100 customers to cover average accident costs for their company.
    Currently the statistics of having a vehicle accident is 1 out of every 100 people over the course of their lifetime. The national average cost of that accident is $1800. (This is the statistical basis that my company uses to compare health care costs to car insurance costs in order to justify to customers why health insurance plans at our company start at $110/month)
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  • Wesloco dekecds 2012/07/15 23:58:57
    Wesloco
    Aren't assumptions by their nature subjective? As for demeaning, you whine, you spew, you scapegoat, how are those assumptions (I call them observations) demeaning? I do have to give you credit that for once you didn't blame things on illegals and their children. As for your idea that Mexico and the U.S. become one, it will never happen, the cultures are to different and the Mexicans are a proud people who will never agree to be swallowed up by American culture.
  • aneed2know Wesloco 2012/07/12 05:10:16
    aneed2know
    +2
    You know my Mom moved to Texas and when i went for a visit there, i noticed one thing. The people there dont care to much about their health, their children's education, or anything else that common sense people would worry about. In short what i found out is this, Texans have to be the most narcissistic people in this country. I mean every where i went it did not matter, rather i was with my mom's church friends ( yeah my mom is happy when i go to church even though she knows i am agnostic), or the clubs, it did not matter what race, what religion, or what socioeconomic class they belong to , all where the same. Everything is better in Texas, even staring at a polluted creek, every thing is better in Texas. I wonder i how they will feel when their ground water because contaminated with Toxic waste.
  • dekecds aneed2know 2012/07/12 14:00:12
    dekecds
    +1
    That is so true about the Narcissitic part! I think we Rival NY though, in that regard. Believe it or not, we do legislate against everything from pollution, to animal abuse. We simply refuse to let our state become a nanny state and we're overly proud of it.
  • aneed2know dekecds 2012/07/13 04:31:03
    aneed2know
    well if you legislate against it, then why is it that Texas has one of the worse environmental records, water quality, healthcare standards, some of the worse poverty in the country, worse education out comes in the country. In fact the only thing Texas may be number one in is, oil money, gun ownership, and that is about it.

    I think you guys could use a little Merry Poppins, just a little because if you guys allow that Toxic waste dump to go through even further, you guys will end up with the highest cancer rates also.
  • Wesloco aneed2know 2012/07/12 14:37:41
    Wesloco
    +1
    The thing about it is that because of the conservative control of the education system our schools in Texas are not producing critical analytical thinkers. The whole idea of conservatism (as in to conserve things as they are) is o teach people what to think as opposed to how to think. If you teach people what to think then they are a flock that follows but if you teach them how to think then you have created a problem solver who can confront challenges and obstacles moving forward to keep our nation on the cutting edge. It goes back to the adage give the man a fish and he'll eat today but teach him how to fish and he'll eat everyday.
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/12 18:08:12
    edifyguy
    +1
    OH BROTHER! It is the "Liberals" who don't know how to think for themselves! They don't even think they should have to work for a living! They think that someone else should be required to pay their way through life.



    I'm not a conservative anymore, because there is little left worth conserving. Most of the Essential Liberties have been ruined by stupid governments full of people like you who think that you are smarter than everyone else and need to "rule" them. I'm a Libertarian now, because we need to aggressively DESTROY most of our government, not conserve it, and reinstate some Essential Liberty. If that is done, I'll be a conservative again: only Liberty in law is worth conserving.
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/12 18:13:13
    Wesloco
    +1
    You are not conservative anymore but the damage to your thinking process was already done and there's nothing I can say that will allow you to see the light because you cannot think analytically. Sorry bud but them's the facts! (-:
  • edifyguy Wesloco 2012/07/12 18:21:58
    edifyguy
    So you believe that the American Founders were thinking-impaired? They wrote far better papers than you, I can tell you that! I think as they did. If they who founded the former Greatest Nation on Earth were thinking-impaired, I am proudly thinking-impaired.



    By the way, If I'm so thinking-impaired, why is my IQ 147?
  • Wesloco edifyguy 2012/07/12 21:17:02
    Wesloco
    +1
    Founding fathers were critical analytical thinkers, definietly not censervative, the conservatist of that era were the loyalist. Although most would categorize the founding fathers as libertarian, they were very progressive in that the entire paradigm upon which they founded the nation was for their time a radical new idea.

    As for your IQ, yeah I would expect it to be high since the ability to score high on those test is premised upon regurgitating information and not on being able to solve problems. (-:

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