
California Restaurants Defy Foie Gras Ban: Does California Have Too Many Laws?
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2012/07/10 22:00:00
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California has earned a reputation as the "Left Coast," in more ways than one. Even Wikipedia has an entry that defines California as the "Left Coast": "Left Coast is a political expression that implies that the West Coast of the United States leans politically to the left or the expression can refer to states that lean politically left."
Some Californians argue that the state's government went too far in banning foie gras. California banned the food product made of liver of a duck or goose, because of its process of force-feeding the animal.
The Orange County Register reported that Antoine Price, owner of Cafe Mimosa in San Clemente, defied the ban, which went into effect on July 1, 2012. Mr. Price created a dish called, "Foie You!" and claimed, "They can lock me up if they want. I don't mind."
The Presidio Social Club (PSC) in San Francisco also defied the ban -- but on a different legal basis. The PSC claims that California law doesn't have jurisdiction over the restaurant because it sits on federal land not subject state laws. The PSC issued a press statement that read: “PSC will be celebrating two important independences this July: Bastille Day for the French, and the freedom to enjoy Foie Gras for Californians."
FOXNEWS.COM reports:

Some Californians argue that the state's government went too far in banning foie gras. California banned the food product made of liver of a duck or goose, because of its process of force-feeding the animal.
The Orange County Register reported that Antoine Price, owner of Cafe Mimosa in San Clemente, defied the ban, which went into effect on July 1, 2012. Mr. Price created a dish called, "Foie You!" and claimed, "They can lock me up if they want. I don't mind."
The Presidio Social Club (PSC) in San Francisco also defied the ban -- but on a different legal basis. The PSC claims that California law doesn't have jurisdiction over the restaurant because it sits on federal land not subject state laws. The PSC issued a press statement that read: “PSC will be celebrating two important independences this July: Bastille Day for the French, and the freedom to enjoy Foie Gras for Californians."
FOXNEWS.COM reports:
California may have banned foie gras, but soon you will be able to dine on the duck liver delicacy in one San Francisco restaurant.

Read More: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/07/10/restaura...
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No+15This ban is not an example of a "nanny state." It is about preventing the abusive industrialized practices that many factory farms use. This law is about stopping animal abuse, and the profiting from it.





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Plus who is going to enforce this?? A fleet of food police? That Cali cannot afford to pay?
Glad I don't live in CalifornaMexico.
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Good luck changing this state to anything, it takes a long time to change these folks mind around here, especially when so much of our economy is based on things that the Looney Left is against ( Oil, Beef, Farming)
I completely understand the idea behind allowing the children of illegal aliens to be full fledged citizens. This is a compassionate standpoint for those who had no choice about being born here. What bothers me though, is that they are in a position to be biased toward issues involving hand outs.
They are born of my tax dollars, raised with my tax dollars, go to school on my tax dollars, and get a huge discount on college with my tax dollars( with lower GPA standards for entry).
Meanwhile, as a B+/A- student, I recieved no federal aid and worked two jobs while attending college, just to pay for a travel trailer slip and books/tuition. This wasn't working out for me with the schedule conflicts, so I joined the Navy. 12 years later, the GI bill only picks up half the cost, (which has risen 120%) so I am back to working two jobs again to finish school. WTF??
It's too bad I'm not the child of an illegal immigrant....right?
As for the constitutional amendment, if it was not a matter of compassion, then what was it? Executive, judicial, legislative, what?
The entire Constitution is based on some aspect of freedom. It provides the framework for protection of that freedom through adjudication, legislation, and execution.
The amendments arise as sympathetic response to areas that are unclear, such that proper action can be taken to protect every American's freedom.
When an amendment excludes other American's rights in favor of some, it is time to either change that amendment, or close the loophole that makes it unequal.
So, STOP ALLOWING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND WE WON"T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR CHILDREN!!
And again, what BS am I spewing, how is my life unfulfilled, and how have I failed personally?
Constitution and its amendments we're not written out of compassion but rather to protect what the forefathers called inalienable rights given by God.
I never accused you of making a bed but rather of describing one (there is a difference between both verbs) and I surmised from your attitude of self-pity that you long to benefit from what you say is given to American citizens born to illegal aliens.
Since most of what ou say is simply your biased interpretation I call it BS and since it comes out as if from a spigot I describe it as being spewed. (-:
Hope this helps clarify things for your confused little brain. (-:
1.) You said "...it's your bed, sleep in it." , implying that I somehow chose this "bed" to sleep in, which you have yet to describe to me. What "bed" is that?
2.) What self pity? I simply described what it takes to get a college education. Why would I need someone to pity me for that?
3.) What, exactly, is my interpretation? I assume that BS is another way of saying "lies". Do we not fund hospital care/births, for illegals, that are uninsured/unpaid for with tax dollars? Do your parents not pay taxes that are subsequently used to pay for your K-12 schooling, and also those whose parents didn't (because they aren't citizens)? Do we not provide welfare money to support the children of illegal immigrants? Do we not provide additional federal funding to the children of illegal immigrants to attend college with no other qualifications than the status of their birth parents?
4.)I don't want to benefit from some program that is given to an exclusive set of people. I want the $200,000 of tax money that I have paid in over my lifetime to benefit all Americans equally, not just some. If a group of successful children of illegals wants to put together a 501(c)3 like UNCF, HSF, or APIASF, that's fine. Don't make me work to pay for them with my taxes, let the charity...
1.) You said "...it's your bed, sleep in it." , implying that I somehow chose this "bed" to sleep in, which you have yet to describe to me. What "bed" is that?
2.) What self pity? I simply described what it takes to get a college education. Why would I need someone to pity me for that?
3.) What, exactly, is my interpretation? I assume that BS is another way of saying "lies". Do we not fund hospital care/births, for illegals, that are uninsured/unpaid for with tax dollars? Do your parents not pay taxes that are subsequently used to pay for your K-12 schooling, and also those whose parents didn't (because they aren't citizens)? Do we not provide welfare money to support the children of illegal immigrants? Do we not provide additional federal funding to the children of illegal immigrants to attend college with no other qualifications than the status of their birth parents?
4.)I don't want to benefit from some program that is given to an exclusive set of people. I want the $200,000 of tax money that I have paid in over my lifetime to benefit all Americans equally, not just some. If a group of successful children of illegals wants to put together a 501(c)3 like UNCF, HSF, or APIASF, that's fine. Don't make me work to pay for them with my taxes, let the charity do it!
5.)What personal shortcomings do you perceive that I have, and who am I using as a scapegoat to blame it on?
For the record, in 2011:
- illegal immigration cost the US $183 Billion in federally funded programs for health care, education, state owned lodging, and welfare to those under the age of 18.
- the bottom 50% of tax payers(by population, not income) paid in only $20 billion after credits and returns
-total income tax revenue after credits and returns was $1.3 trillion, with only $846 billion of that coming from the 50th-99th percentile.
-70% of the population makes less than $50k per year
- That means that 22% of the revenue made by ALL people making over 50K (and 20% of those making less) goes to fund the results of illegal immigration.
-average wage per household is $42K per year
-"your pitiful little life"
- "You are a whining little man"
-"...all the other BS you spew"
-"you see those that are not like you as the cause of your personal failings and unfulfilled life."
-"...you have an unfulfilled life..."
-"...need to scapegoat others for your personal shortcomings."
You're right about illegals not being "eligible" for any services. But you forget that services like births, emergencies, etc.. are law binding renders for the hospitals and doctors, who are then re-imbursed by the feds when the person is uninsured or can't pay.
In Texas, each public school student is funded, by local,state, and federal taxes, with an average of $11k per year. These taxes are paid by citizens of each community, per capita locally, and at the state level. Do you not get what this means to a small town in regard to making city tax decisions? It also effects small town water and utility charges, since the combined pool of money is what is used to fund ...
-"your pitiful little life"
- "You are a whining little man"
-"...all the other BS you spew"
-"you see those that are not like you as the cause of your personal failings and unfulfilled life."
-"...you have an unfulfilled life..."
-"...need to scapegoat others for your personal shortcomings."
You're right about illegals not being "eligible" for any services. But you forget that services like births, emergencies, etc.. are law binding renders for the hospitals and doctors, who are then re-imbursed by the feds when the person is uninsured or can't pay.
In Texas, each public school student is funded, by local,state, and federal taxes, with an average of $11k per year. These taxes are paid by citizens of each community, per capita locally, and at the state level. Do you not get what this means to a small town in regard to making city tax decisions? It also effects small town water and utility charges, since the combined pool of money is what is used to fund things like education, police force, road upkeep(within city limits), waste disposal, etc...
Yes, you are correct in saying that the children of illegals are having more success than I am. Here is how they are doing it: They are, by default, Hispanic in Texas, which means that they need not make the same grades to achieve acceptance. This also means that they qualify for segregated federal grants for Hispanics. This also means that they qualify for special, low interest, federal loans reserved for both Hispanics and low income households. And, now, Texas legislation is focusing their attentions on how to lower their costs for college. This is fine with me (the lowering of costs by allowing in-state tuition makes sense, they live here and are now paying taxes when they work).
From a narrow view, this does not bother me, because I don't care how they get their education. Many of them still have to work through college to be able to live a comfortable life suited to good study habits.
From a holistic view, it goes the opposite direction. I am always interested in where my tax money goes and why my city taxes and state property taxes just went up. Oh....look at that....we have to compensate state schools(K-12 and collegiate) for increased student numbers and we have to help fund emergency health care for minors. Well ok, but aren't there more parents, or are parents having more kids? No, the influx of illegals is creating a large population of unfunded/underfunded children. Well, why are my taxes being used to that end?
If the immigration issue were solved (via a massive line at the border that simply hands out citizenship if need be!), this would not be the time/money wasting issue that it is! Get people working and paying local taxes (there aren't any income taxes for our state) per capita, rather than having 40 people in one house, with one "coyote" paying city bills, making under the table wages that are unfair, and being unable to actually rent/buy on their own and pay city utilities and the like!
Everyone's in-state and out-of-state tuition would go down! (unless the faculty felt they needed more money throughout the collegiate field, but I doubt that, since they would eventually have to compete with other states to keep attendance up)
If I had my way, we'd work a deal to annex Mexico and be done with it! Countless university studies have proven the economical advantage of that idea!
Look everything you have quoted above I said and I stand by it. I don't know you personally so I can attribute to you only what I surmise from your postings and all I have seen up to now is that you complain about the illegals and their children taking away your taxes. If that is the case then why haven't you done something about it? You are part of the decision making body! You vote these politicians into office! The illegals can't vote!
Your complaing about hospital cost that are not reimbursed. Well let me ask you this: what are you doing to make sure that the Affordable Care Act is quickly implemented so that all people requiring services are insured? That would solve at least the problem of people going to the emergency room and not having insurance but the GOP continues to try to repeal this act which even the Supreme Court has found to be constitutional.
Now you even propose annexing a whole country! Where did you ever get the idea thàt Mexico wants to be a part of the USA?
Second: You are ignorant. I mean this not as an insult, but in truth. You think that hospital costs are not re-imbursed when an uninsured person fails to pay their bills. That means that you really don't know.
-The idea has come up amongst several thinkers both here and in Mexico, that either a closer shared economic agreement or combination of the two countries would benefit us both, though the scale of work to be done to accomplish that is currently prohibitive. I am in favor of a closer economic relationship with Mexico in the meantime, by paying workers inside the borders of Mexico according to our own national payscale in exchange for a partial income tax on the employees or directly from employers who outsource to Mexico. They wouldn't benefit from lower wage workers, but they would still benefit from lower cost materials until the Mexican economy is strong enough to match those wages to produce the materials being bought.
- As for the affordable care act, it is a good framework for a good idea, but there is not enough in it to direct the market for health care in the proper direction. Currently it really only forces you to buy it, but doesn't regulate the...
Second: You are ignorant. I mean this not as an insult, but in truth. You think that hospital costs are not re-imbursed when an uninsured person fails to pay their bills. That means that you really don't know.
-The idea has come up amongst several thinkers both here and in Mexico, that either a closer shared economic agreement or combination of the two countries would benefit us both, though the scale of work to be done to accomplish that is currently prohibitive. I am in favor of a closer economic relationship with Mexico in the meantime, by paying workers inside the borders of Mexico according to our own national payscale in exchange for a partial income tax on the employees or directly from employers who outsource to Mexico. They wouldn't benefit from lower wage workers, but they would still benefit from lower cost materials until the Mexican economy is strong enough to match those wages to produce the materials being bought.
- As for the affordable care act, it is a good framework for a good idea, but there is not enough in it to direct the market for health care in the proper direction. Currently it really only forces you to buy it, but doesn't regulate the outcome from unnatural market influence. I would like to support it more than just with lip service, but I can't. I don't feel that it is unconstitutional to mandate healthcare, but I do feel that it is unconstitutional to force a fine on persons who wish to forgo health care insurance, and subsequently it is unconstitutional to hold medical professionals accountable for those who might die as a result of not being able to afford health care.
- I feel that the Affordable Care Act is going to do the same thing to health care that vehicle insurance laws have done to car insurance prices. People will be filling the pockets of insurance magnates who need only provide a reserve of $1800 per 100 customers to cover average accident costs for their company.
Currently the statistics of having a vehicle accident is 1 out of every 100 people over the course of their lifetime. The national average cost of that accident is $1800. (This is the statistical basis that my company uses to compare health care costs to car insurance costs in order to justify to customers why health insurance plans at our company start at $110/month)
I think you guys could use a little Merry Poppins, just a little because if you guys allow that Toxic waste dump to go through even further, you guys will end up with the highest cancer rates also.
I'm not a conservative anymore, because there is little left worth conserving. Most of the Essential Liberties have been ruined by stupid governments full of people like you who think that you are smarter than everyone else and need to "rule" them. I'm a Libertarian now, because we need to aggressively DESTROY most of our government, not conserve it, and reinstate some Essential Liberty. If that is done, I'll be a conservative again: only Liberty in law is worth conserving.
By the way, If I'm so thinking-impaired, why is my IQ 147?
As for your IQ, yeah I would expect it to be high since the ability to score high on those test is premised upon regurgitating information and not on being able to solve problems. (-: