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Bush or Bonds: Who belongs in prison more?

Gramma Lil November 16, 2007 08:16:27

They said Bonds is a liar and belongs in prison for 30 years. Well I say Bush is a bigger liar. He lied multiple times to the American people. Makes me wonder how many years in prison should he get.
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  • +6 / -1 sweetpeachie November 16, 2007 18:39:30
    sweetpeachie

    George W. Bush

    Firstly and foremost. The man entered Iraq without provocation. Among the many other war crimes, this is the one that sticks out like a sore thumb.
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  • A December 03, 2008 19:48:43
    A

    George W. Bush

    If he were a democrat he would have been in prison years ago
  • Superman August 13, 2008 21:08:36
    Superman

    Barry Bonds

    Still no proof out there that a lie occured. Just rhetoric. Bonds is under investigation for an ACTUAL crime.
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    mamalola March 22, 2008 01:15:52
    mamalola

    George W. Bush

    Barry wasn't responsible for the death of thousands
  • Whitese... mamalola October 17, 2008 21:19:51
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Neither was/is Bush.
  • mamalola Whitese... December 24, 2008 03:40:23
    mamalola
    Excuse me? The war in Iraq?
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    Whitese... mamalola December 24, 2008 04:08:19
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Excuse me, but was Roosevelt responsible for the deaths in Europe and Japan during WWII?
  • mamalola Whitese... December 24, 2008 06:10:34
    mamalola
    Did he invade a country under a false pretense and purposely mislead the American public? Or create a facade of a "War on Terror" when there was none? Well if he did, then Yes!!
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    Whitese... mamalola December 25, 2008 16:10:52
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    No but neither did Bush. There was no "false pretense" as you Bush haters like to claim. Nor was the American public "purposely" misled in any way shape or form. And the belief that there is no war on terror, would be laughable if it were not so sad.

    On what basis do you claim that there is no war on terror? I've got a 21 year old nephew serving in Iraq and a 40 year old brother serving in Afghanistan whom I believe both would disagree with your assessment.
  • mamalola Whitese... December 30, 2008 23:04:03 (edited)
    mamalola
    Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11! We terrorized them. Why did we invade Iraq? Were there weapons of mass destruction found? NO!!! So why were they invaded? I feel badly for your relatives being in a war that was totally unnecessary. I have some there as well. I am sure that they would whole heartedly agree with me. Its all over T.V. that the war was a big mistake. A fact that I already knew from the beggining. Bin Ladin was the culprit, not Saddam. Yes we were misled.
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    Whitese... mamalola December 31, 2008 01:05:14 (edited)
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Whether Iraq had anything to do with 911 or not, is irrelevant. However, the fact that they were in violation of the Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement, is very relevant. Another relevant fact that was weighed in the decision to remove him from power, was the genocide and brutality that he had been guilty of perpetrating against his own people for decades.

    As for the WMD, yes, we have found hundreds of WMD in Iraq. Along with the WMD, we also discovered 550 tons of yellow cake uranium. Do you not follow the news? This war was in no way a mistake!! An evil dictator was removed forever from power and later removed from this world completely, making the world that much safer for the peace loving countries of the world.

    "It's all over the TV"?? Would that be CNN or MSNBC?

    Are you aware of the existence of the the videos below which show first hand the brutality of Saddam Hussein? If not, perhaps you should take a look at them to see who you are defending. We "terrorized" them?? You must be joking!! That piece of shit is sitting in Hell right now right where he belongs and we have George Bush and the American military to thank for that.

    Click on each of the four chapters to see Saddam's regime in action. But, make sure you haven't eaten recently.

    This is who you are defending and who we "terrorized".
    ...
    Whether Iraq had anything to do with 911 or not, is irrelevant. However, the fact that they were in violation of the Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement, is very relevant. Another relevant fact that was weighed in the decision to remove him from power, was the genocide and brutality that he had been guilty of perpetrating against his own people for decades.

    As for the WMD, yes, we have found hundreds of WMD in Iraq. Along with the WMD, we also discovered 550 tons of yellow cake uranium. Do you not follow the news? This war was in no way a mistake!! An evil dictator was removed forever from power and later removed from this world completely, making the world that much safer for the peace loving countries of the world.

    "It's all over the TV"?? Would that be CNN or MSNBC?

    Are you aware of the existence of the the videos below which show first hand the brutality of Saddam Hussein? If not, perhaps you should take a look at them to see who you are defending. We "terrorized" them?? You must be joking!! That piece of shit is sitting in Hell right now right where he belongs and we have George Bush and the American military to thank for that.

    Click on each of the four chapters to see Saddam's regime in action. But, make sure you haven't eaten recently.

    This is who you are defending and who we "terrorized".
    http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/20...
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  • mamalola Whitese... December 31, 2008 05:03:28 (edited)
    mamalola
    How is 9-11 irrelevant when thats the excuse that was used to attack Iraq? We need to work on democracy right here, before we go around telling other countries what to do. To show the hanging of Saddam on t.v., in front of our children was an act of barbaric proportions. How many innocent Iraqi children died? What gives us the right to invade someone's country and tell them how to run it? Are they over here telling us what to do? This is that old pilage and plunder attitude from the days of yore, which should have long been abandoned. Do YOU watch the news? CNN, MSNBC, BBC? If you did you would know that the rest of the world knows the truth. They all finally saw through the Bush Bull.
  • Whitese... mamalola December 31, 2008 06:33:44
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    That wasn't THE excuse. That was just one of several reasons to topple him.

    Way back in 98, Bill Clinton gave a speech on the steps of the Capitol calling for regime change in Iraq. 911, was just another reason to remove him from power.

    I have no idea how many innocent Iraqi children died but I can tell you that they weren't targeted.

    We have every right in the world to invade a country when the country in question has violated a Cease Fire Agreement, which they made with us requiring them to disarm and allow weapons inspectors to do their job.

    Of course they aren't telling us what to do. We won the Gulf War and they lost. When a country is a LOSER in a war, certain concessions must be made by the LOSER to the victor. That is what ends the war and keeps the victor from going in and occupying the LOSING country. They NEVER for 12 years lived up to the concessions they agreed to with the signing of the Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. They violated 17 UN resolutions to disarm and allow weapons inspectors to do their job to see if they were living up to the GWCFA, which they of course were not. If you don't believe what I'm saying because it wasn't been reported on CNN, MSNBC or the BBC, do some of your own research and see what you come up with.

    I don't give a flying RIP what the rest of th...''
    That wasn't THE excuse. That was just one of several reasons to topple him.

    Way back in 98, Bill Clinton gave a speech on the steps of the Capitol calling for regime change in Iraq. 911, was just another reason to remove him from power.

    I have no idea how many innocent Iraqi children died but I can tell you that they weren't targeted.

    We have every right in the world to invade a country when the country in question has violated a Cease Fire Agreement, which they made with us requiring them to disarm and allow weapons inspectors to do their job.

    Of course they aren't telling us what to do. We won the Gulf War and they lost. When a country is a LOSER in a war, certain concessions must be made by the LOSER to the victor. That is what ends the war and keeps the victor from going in and occupying the LOSING country. They NEVER for 12 years lived up to the concessions they agreed to with the signing of the Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. They violated 17 UN resolutions to disarm and allow weapons inspectors to do their job to see if they were living up to the GWCFA, which they of course were not. If you don't believe what I'm saying because it wasn't been reported on CNN, MSNBC or the BBC, do some of your own research and see what you come up with.

    I don't give a flying RIP what the rest of the world thinks. They sure as HELL aren't going to lift a finger to help us so why should we be concerned at all with what those cowards think.

    You would do well to quit listening to that left wing garbage that CNN, MSNBC and the BBC spews, They are all anti-military and anti-America.
    and as I said, even the high priest of liberalism in the 90's, Bill Clinton himself, called for regime change in Iraq as far back as 1998.

    But as always, I do thank you for your opinion.
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  • mamalola Whitese... December 31, 2008 07:19:27 (edited)
    mamalola
    The business of Afghanistan is currently our major threat. They were responsible for the attacks on the U.S. So why would Bush invade Iraq at a time when we were and still are not even sure where Bin Ladin is or what he is up to? Our country is still vulnerable, even more so since we started a war in the wrong country. What did Iraq do to us personally? You are a true war monger and this is what will cause the destruction of the human race as we know it. SHOOT! KILL! OBLITERATE!! I would like to think that we could progress more as a nation when we rid ourselves of these old barbaric sub human ways of raping robbing and pilaging.
  • Whitese... mamalola December 31, 2008 07:42:47
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Again, it wasn't the "WRONG COUNTRY' it was to enforce the GWCFA, which was something Clinton failed to do probably because he was too busy chasing interns around the oval office with cigars. Oh he talked about it quite a bit but he never did anything.

    We invaded Iraq to remove Saddam from Power. Regime change was one of the remedies should Saddam not honor the GWCFA, which he didn't. He knew a consequence of his violating the agreement could result in military action, which it did. He was offered an opportunity to step down and live out his remaining years in exile as Napolean did at Saint Helena. He could have kept his money and lived a far better life than most of us ever will but he chose to stupidly go up against a country that had already decimated his army once before.

    I'm not a warmonger. I don't like war but sometimes, it can not be avoided. I am however a pragmatist and as such, I understand the importance of defending oneself when necessary. Sometimes that defense must be proactive rather than reactive.
  • mamalola Whitese... January 03, 2009 09:41:37
    mamalola
    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS UNDER ATTACK!!! It was not from IRAQ!!! So why were we dealing with those issues, when the immediate issue was to protect our country? Due to the negligence and lack of response to the attack, we are still vulnerable to another one. Bin is more of a threat to the U.S. than IRAQ ever was.
    You keep running off this B.S. in an attempt to justify the stupidity of Bush. He has YOUR relatives and MINE, being slaughtered in an unecessary WAR! WAKE UP!!!!
  • Whitese... mamalola January 03, 2009 16:40:34
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    I never said Iraq did attack us but even though they didn't attack us, he had attacked others in the past which normally would draw us into defending and fighting for whomever he did invade or attack. The fact that he didn't attack us has no bearing on the facts that he was in violation of the GWCFA which called for him to disarm. This is why we were still dealing with those issues. He refused to abide by the treaty he signed in 1991. Not to mention, he was as well guilty of genocide which he had perpetrated on his own people for decades, which is ultimately what got him executed.

    Do you realize that numerous plots to attack us have been thwarted under Bush since 911? If we were as vulnerable as you think we are, they would have been successful in their plotting.

    Actually, bin Laden is not considered a viable threat at the moment. Are you aware that the leadership of Al-Qaeda has been nearly decimated over the last 12 months by our Predator drones. The threat of the moment, is Iran and possibly Russia.

    None of my relatives have been slaughtered in this very necessary war and I'm WIDE AWAKE but, I do thank you for your opinion.
  • mamalola Whitese... January 03, 2009 18:23:40
    mamalola
    You are really going out of your way in an attempt to appear right, Go for it!! Believe whatever B.S. that you want. All the rhetoric in the world does not change the fact that we were attacked and it wasn't by Iraq.
  • Whitese... mamalola January 03, 2009 18:54:18
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Again, I never said we were attacked by Iraq but they were in violation of the GWCFA and if we had allowed Saddam to continue unfettered, we would have had a far bigger problem on our hands.
  • mamalola Whitese... January 03, 2009 09:59:30
    mamalola
    You may not know how many Children died, but I am sure that you know, by whom we were attacked. It was not Iraq who did the dirty deed.
  • Whitese... mamalola January 03, 2009 16:43:09
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Yes, I do know who attacked us. I also know who was in violation of the GWCFA and that was Iraq.
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    OldManMonty March 15, 2008 17:49:56
    OldManMonty

    None of the above

    C'mon folks, think for a minute. Bonds is an athlete, an entertainer if you will. One who got paid to do things us regular dudes and dudettes can't do. If ya don't like who or what he is (pro jock) then don't pay to see him, or any professional sports franchise for that matter. As for the president, well,,, we put him there. Don't cop out behind the "I didn't vote for him" line because WE (voting Americans) kept him in office. I am not happy about the war. The cost in lost lives and wasted dollars will haunt us for the rest of my life. History will judge Bush harder than any of us and his legacy will be one of a failed economy, a bloody waste of soldiers, a hugenormous (Is that a word?) debt, and a constituancy that may never trust the office of the president again. Do we jail either of these guys? No. I just hope that we survive and learn from from both of them.
  • +1
    insectual February 04, 2008 06:04:02
    insectual

    George W. Bush

    Many people have died because of bush's lies.
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    Whitese... insectual October 17, 2008 21:17:47
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    What lies?
    As someone else stated, Barry Bonds has committed an actual crime and needs to be tried, while Bush hasn't committed any crimes.
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    Whitese... insectual October 17, 2008 21:31:54
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    First off, there is no evidence that he lied about anything.
    Secondly, it is due to his actions that many evil people are now dead who wanted nothing more than to kill us.
    Thirdly, the Iraqis now have the opportunity to enjoy the same freedoms that come with democracy that we all enjoy in the U.S.
    Lastly, Saddam and his WMD's will never again be a threat to the peace loving countries of the Middle East or any one at all for that matter.
  • mamalola Whitese... December 30, 2008 23:09:34
    mamalola
    So why do they want us the hell out of there?
  • Whitese... mamalola December 31, 2008 01:17:17
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Who is they? the terrorists?

    They want us out so they can move in and set up an operation like they had in Afghanistan.
  • mamalola Whitese... December 31, 2008 05:20:03
    mamalola
    The people of IRAQ want us the hell out of there! Move in where? their own country? The operation in Afghanistan has had plenty of time to set up. Due to the fact that Bush was busy bombing Iraq in a effort to avenge his daddy and take their oil, and charge us double for it. Bin Ladin is doing as he damned well pleases, preparing to catch us off guard and attack again. The negligence of Bush has well afforded him this opportunity. Saddam was not the most threatening at that time. Bin was, but Bush didn't have the balls to go after the real culprit.
  • Whitese... mamalola December 31, 2008 07:13:46 (edited)
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    Iraq is not Al Qaeda's country. Not sure where you got that notion from. They were behind the insurgency and yes, they wanted us out. No question about that.

    You people that think oil was the reason we removed an evil dictator from power, I just don't understand. It sounds as if you've been listening to Michael Moore and Bill Mahr far too much. Was oil the reason Bill Clinton called for regime change as well back in 1998. I mean was oil a part of the equation back then as well?? Isn't it possible that oil had nothing to do with the war? Do you have definitive evidence that oil was the reason we went to war? If so, please provide it. I would love to see it. If it were oil, why didn't the price spike immediately upon the invasion? For the most part, the price remained relatively stable for several years after the war began. It didn't really start spiking until earlier this year, which Bush had nothing to do with. Although, he was responsible for it coming down this summer but of course he doesn't get credit for that either from people like you.

    I would be shocked if bin Laden is even alive anymore. I don't think we have anything to worry about with him. In fact, the report on Al Qaeda is that it has been decimated in Iraq in the last 12 months, thanks to the surge, which Barack Obama was...""
    Iraq is not Al Qaeda's country. Not sure where you got that notion from. They were behind the insurgency and yes, they wanted us out. No question about that.

    You people that think oil was the reason we removed an evil dictator from power, I just don't understand. It sounds as if you've been listening to Michael Moore and Bill Mahr far too much. Was oil the reason Bill Clinton called for regime change as well back in 1998. I mean was oil a part of the equation back then as well?? Isn't it possible that oil had nothing to do with the war? Do you have definitive evidence that oil was the reason we went to war? If so, please provide it. I would love to see it. If it were oil, why didn't the price spike immediately upon the invasion? For the most part, the price remained relatively stable for several years after the war began. It didn't really start spiking until earlier this year, which Bush had nothing to do with. Although, he was responsible for it coming down this summer but of course he doesn't get credit for that either from people like you.

    I would be shocked if bin Laden is even alive anymore. I don't think we have anything to worry about with him. In fact, the report on Al Qaeda is that it has been decimated in Iraq in the last 12 months, thanks to the surge, which Barack Obama was against. For many of the Iraqi people, they are enjoying for the first time in their lives the benefits of living in a free and democratic society. A society where they now have a voice in their future. Before, they had no voice and no future due to the iron fisted rule of Saddam Hussein. If the reporter who threw his shoes at Bush had thrown his shoes at Saddam, he would have most likely been cut up in to little pieces or at the very least, disappeared to never be heard from again. The irony is that he is angry at Bush, yet it was Bush who has given him the freedom to throw his shoes at Bush without being killed. He will most likely go to prison for a short while but he wont be killed, at least not by the government.

    Actually, he was going after the real culprit, which is why we bombed and invaded Afghanistan less than 30 days after 911. So, this comment about him not having "balls to go after the real culprit", is absolutely incorrect. Whereas, The invasion of Iraq did not take place until a year and a half after 911.
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  • mamalola Whitese... January 03, 2009 10:08:20 (edited)
    mamalola
    I never said that it was. Where did YOU get that notion from? Do you have definitive evidence that oil WAS NOT the reason? We were attacked!! Why not attack those responsible? Why would we all of a sudden act on something that was not abided by in 1998? Does that make sense to you?
  • Whitese... mamalola January 03, 2009 18:46:52 (edited)
    Whitese7en "by JESUS blood I am redeemed"
    The Iraqi people don't want us out, it was the insurgents that wanted us out and the liberal news media that wanted/wants us out. My nephew has story after story of people inviting him into their homes to thank him for the job the Americans are doing in Iraq. They are scared to death that after the Americans leave, things will go back to where they were before under Saddam. They have grown accustomed to being ruled by a corrupt brutal government so they think that is what is in store for them once we're gone. Of course you're not going to see stories like that reported on CNN or MSNBC because it doesn't play into their base.

    I don't have to have evidence to prove oil was not the reason. YOU are the one making the claim that oil IS the reason for the war so I'm asking you to either put up or shut up. In a court of law, when someone makes an accusation against another, it is up to the accuser to provide the evidence to prove their case. In other words, the burden of proof is on you. I understand this is not a court of law but rather a court of public opinion but President Bush should be afforded the same rights under our Constitution of any accused citizen.

    We did attack those responsible, in Oct of 01!!

    It wasn't just not abided by in 1998, it goes back much further than that. I...
    The Iraqi people don't want us out, it was the insurgents that wanted us out and the liberal news media that wanted/wants us out. My nephew has story after story of people inviting him into their homes to thank him for the job the Americans are doing in Iraq. They are scared to death that after the Americans leave, things will go back to where they were before under Saddam. They have grown accustomed to being ruled by a corrupt brutal government so they think that is what is in store for them once we're gone. Of course you're not going to see stories like that reported on CNN or MSNBC because it doesn't play into their base.

    I don't have to have evidence to prove oil was not the reason. YOU are the one making the claim that oil IS the reason for the war so I'm asking you to either put up or shut up. In a court of law, when someone makes an accusation against another, it is up to the accuser to provide the evidence to prove their case. In other words, the burden of proof is on you. I understand this is not a court of law but rather a court of public opinion but President Bush should be afforded the same rights under our Constitution of any accused citizen.

    We did attack those responsible, in Oct of 01!!

    It wasn't just not abided by in 1998, it goes back much further than that. It was in 1998 that Clinton finally decided to do something about it. But, they had been in violation of the treaty since it was signed in March of 91.

    According to an article in the Christian Science Monitor, dated Nov 06, 2002http://www.csmonitor.com/...
    between 1991 and 1995, UN inspectors uncovered a massive program to develop biological and nuclear weapons by Saddam Hussein. They were caught red-handed in 1995 and were forced to admit that they were manufacturing biological toxins. Even after this admission, Saddam still continued to violate the GWCFA. At every opportunity he was given to comply with the GWCFA, he defied it, from day one up until the 2003 invasion. I suspect that the reason Clinton "all of a sudden" got serious about Iraq's failure to comply with the GWCFA, was an attempt on his part to look presidential in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal but that's just speculation on my part. Add to that the fact that he was facing impeachment proceedings and it certainly calls into question his "all of a sudden" response after 7 years of violations by Iraq.
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    Magzilla ~is having a littl... January 03, 2008 00:13:16
    Magzilla ~is having a little boy~

    George W. Bush

    His lies affects everyone in USA and people across the globe. who cares if Barry Bonds lied, it isn't going to affect me.
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    skull January 02, 2008 16:35:38
    skull

    George W. Bush

    Bond is one person ,and Bush is America leader of the world.
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    DrTim December 25, 2007 02:44:58 (edited)
    DrTim

    George W. Bush

    Not all Americans are interested in baseball so Barry Bonds debacle didn't affect ALL AMERICANS.
    George W. Bush however not only involved ALL AMERICANS but nearly all people on this planet!
    That a hayseed backwoods farm boy doing nothing but living off his daddys fame(which I might add is not all that reputable) could cause this much death and distruction and the complete ruination of the reputation of the U.S.A. and it's people is mindboggeling.
    His Mother and Father should be so ASHAMED that they let this moronic creep loose on society they should never show their faces at a BBQ again!
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    Smokey December 10, 2007 21:12:23
    Smokey

    None of the above

    I can't wait unti the day some of these "Bush whackers" stop whinning and complaining about President Bush! WE GET IT! WE KNOW YOUR POSITION! But there is NO WAY our Commander in Chief is going to JAIL. GET OVER IT and start focusing on 2008 election. Bush is not running for President again! DAMN! As for Barry Bonds, I don't think he should go to prison... Clinton lied to a GRAND JURY and didn't spend ONE DAY IN JAIL.
  • mamalola Smokey March 25, 2008 23:54:18
    mamalola
    Did 4000 die due to Clinton's lies?
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    Smokey mamalola March 25, 2008 23:57:00
    Smokey
    More people died around the world, including RHWANDA, people of his inactivity.

    Smokey

    There may not would have been a 9/11 if he'd taken care of business instead of getting blow jobs and chasing women around the White House.
  • mamalola Smokey March 26, 2008 00:39:51 (edited)
    mamalola
    A poor excuse is better than none. Why is America so preoccupied with genitilia? Who cares if slick Willie gets it waxed on occasion? I care about issues that count. His wienie ain't passing or vetoing any bills. Thats between him and Hillary.
  • Smokey mamalola March 26, 2008 00:46:53
    Smokey
    I will not reply to imbecilic's who can't look at both sides of an argument.

    Take care,
  • mamalola Smokey March 26, 2008 00:51:13
    mamalola
    And you were so down on name calling. When the kitchens HOT!!!
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    Smokey mamalola March 26, 2008 00:59:25
    Smokey
    Yeah, yeah... I'm only human. :) Sorry. Please forgive me. You have a right for your opinion too.

    Take care,
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