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'Bully' Documentary Currently Rated R: Should It Be Changed to PG-13?

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A new documentary about bullying, appropriated titled “Bully,” is currently rated R by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA). However, the people behind the film, as well as thousands of others around the country, are calling for the rating to be changed to PG-13 in order to make it more accessible to young people.

The MPAA decided to give “Bully” the R mark primarily because of a scene where a bully describes what he will do to a victim using variations of the F-word. Use of the F-word more than once, or only once when used to describe sexual intercourse, almost always results in an automatic R rating.

Last month, The Weinstein Company, which created the film, petitioned to have the rating changed to PG-13. TWC Co-Chairman Harvey Weinstein and Alex Libby, one of the bullied children in the film, argued that the R rating would prevent the film from reaching young audiences. In particular, the R rating prevents the documentary from being shown in schools. (The studio was planning on screening the film at various middle and high schools.) Additionally, many teens prefer to go to the movies with their friends instead of their parents, but you must be at least 17 years old to see an R-rated film without a parent or guardian.

The Weinstein Company lost their appeal. They were one vote short of the two-thirds required to overturn an MPAA rating. However, a ratings change doesn’t seem to be completely off the table. On Thursday, MPAA and Weinstein will be hosting an invitation only screening and panel event for Washington D.C. educators, to discuss “the challenges educators face in dealing with bullying in the classroom.” However, it seems likely that the rating itself will also be a topic of discussion.

What do you think SodaHeads? “Bully” is currently rated R, but should it be changed to PG-13?



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  • Depsycho 2012/03/12 02:00:25 (edited)
    Yes
    Depsycho
    +31
    ... at first I was going to say "Yes" because I thought it would be over a graphically violent scene.

    But over some "F" bombs? Sorry, but no.


    Face it, everyone: Children have heard the "F" word and figured out what it means by age 13.

    This isn't the 60s anymore where kids watch their mouths and are raised by picture-perfect parents. This is documentary, and thus must stick to reality, and bullies DO use these words.

    And this IS something that is APPROPRIATE for kids age 13 and up to watch as a glimpse of reality, and unfortunately a film some kids may be able to relate to; AND LEARN FROM.


    Still don't agree? How about this: "The Dark Knight" got a PG-13 rating, and even though it was clean language-wise, it had TONS of violence and even death in it. If THAT can get a PG-13 rating, so can this movie.



    It's time to stop bubble-wrapping our kids anyway.



    bubble wrapping kids

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  • smitty Emily 2012/03/12 21:14:55
    smitty
    Okay step by step here.

    "So for you is it only bullying when someone pulls out the fists?"

    Nowhere did I say bullying is only done with fists. I said that is how I solved my issue.

    nice website.. First sentence... "Bullying is persistent unwelcome behaviour......." You quoted... ....It is persistent... My whole point. We have reduced the term bullying to anything we don't like. Like me saying the wart is ugly. Persistent is the key. Me telling you once, twice or three times it is ugly doesn't make it bullying.

    Second your quote.. ""Bullying is a conscious, willful, deliberate, hostile and repeated behaviour by one or more people, which is intended to harm others."" Again.... repeated... My whole point.. We are losing that very definition with our actions.

    Third one is a propaganda site.... Maybe a good one but propaganda anyway.

    I don't post online because it is anyone business. Those whose business I care it to be... knows my address.

    I am not trying to charm you. I am giving my opinion on how I treat it with my kids and myself and was successful with it. But I have been told I am very charming.
  • Emily smitty 2012/03/12 21:40:01
    Emily
    Okay, step by step. Your violent approach seemed to indicate that you believed that bullying equated violence, as your solution was violence. Each action warrants an equal and opposite reaction, if we take Newton's Third Law and apply it to society.

    Persistent unwelcome behaviour? My example is a snippet of what bullying is. I agree, saying something derogatory once is nasty, but not bullying. What I implied is that this was part of a larger picture, and I thought that was apparent. Maybe I should make myself clearer in these debates.

    Second is not my quote, it's another website. The bit I wanted to emphasise was "concious, wilful, deliberate", adding to what I had previously stated, that it is actually a decision.

    I don't see what being a "propaganda" site, as you are saying it is good, has against it. Propaganda is just something that advertises or promotes something. It's promoting the cause to stop bullying by raising awareness. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

    I was just saying that, whatever your reason for not posting online, it only precludes you from being a cyber-bully; you can be a bully without using online mediums.

    I wasn't saying that you were TRYING to charm me, just that I often get charmed by eloquence. Your opinion is yours, and I have no business telling you ho...
    Okay, step by step. Your violent approach seemed to indicate that you believed that bullying equated violence, as your solution was violence. Each action warrants an equal and opposite reaction, if we take Newton's Third Law and apply it to society.

    Persistent unwelcome behaviour? My example is a snippet of what bullying is. I agree, saying something derogatory once is nasty, but not bullying. What I implied is that this was part of a larger picture, and I thought that was apparent. Maybe I should make myself clearer in these debates.

    Second is not my quote, it's another website. The bit I wanted to emphasise was "concious, wilful, deliberate", adding to what I had previously stated, that it is actually a decision.

    I don't see what being a "propaganda" site, as you are saying it is good, has against it. Propaganda is just something that advertises or promotes something. It's promoting the cause to stop bullying by raising awareness. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

    I was just saying that, whatever your reason for not posting online, it only precludes you from being a cyber-bully; you can be a bully without using online mediums.

    I wasn't saying that you were TRYING to charm me, just that I often get charmed by eloquence. Your opinion is yours, and I have no business telling you how to raise your kids; I just wanted to give you a thought on the possibilities. And I wouldn't know if you really were charming. You just seem articulate and, at that moment, charming.
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  • smitty Emily 2012/03/12 21:53:49
    smitty
    "Okay, step by step. Your violent approach seemed to indicate ...." Quit trying to read into anything. You are failing. No where did I say it is the be all end all. This is my experience that I have shared with young people. It has been effective for many. I also share other ways with them. Communication can work. Self Respect does miracles. ---walk with your head held high, back straight and eyes forward. Be sure of yourself. It helps greatly in life as well.

    No.. but plays into exactly what I am saying if you would go back to my original point which you attacked. We have gotten away with real bullying as a society. We are a nanny state. One word now constitutes bullying. That is my whole premise. Which you so nicely showed wasn't the case. It is repetitive.

    Propaganda from Webster Online
    "3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect " Yes there is.

    I apologize I was being silly is all. Some weird sense of humor that I have. Sometimes I only get it though.

    "Your opinion is yours, and I have no business telling you how to raise your kids; I just wanted to give you a thought on the possibilities." As I you and others that even feel like reading what I write. If it helps one child or parent, then I feel blessed. If it helps no one, then I am only out my time.
  • Jenai Goss Emily 2012/03/13 06:27:56
    Jenai Goss
    If my sister told me I had a a nasty zit on my face, that would *not* be bullying. It might be tactless, but not bullying. Even in school, friends would usually point out if lipstick was out of line, if hair in armpits was showing, if it "was snowing down south" or even more embarassing bodily functions were visibily. Girls would do this face to face with other girls. If they broadcast it to the auditorium, THAT would be bullying. If someone says "Man, your -face- is nasty" that is bullying.

    But unless zits have somehow become magical and beautiful, it's not -automatic- bullying to call a zit nasty. In Insurrection, are they bullying Worf, or *teasing* Worf, about his gorch?
    My mom points out every time I bite my hair (its an OCD habit) which drives me nuts, and from my POV is even "unwelcome" due to the anxiety of OCD behaviors. But my mom isn't "bullying" me. I did have a teacher who implied that I would be a less valuable member of society if I kept biting my hair, and that felt like bullying - but she might have just meant that bad habits can interfere with your prospects in job interviews and I was internalizing the conversation differently. (Which wouldn't be bullying, but good advice).

    Consider two instances:

    In one, a girl tells me I need to cover my pants with my coat. ...













    If my sister told me I had a a nasty zit on my face, that would *not* be bullying. It might be tactless, but not bullying. Even in school, friends would usually point out if lipstick was out of line, if hair in armpits was showing, if it "was snowing down south" or even more embarassing bodily functions were visibily. Girls would do this face to face with other girls. If they broadcast it to the auditorium, THAT would be bullying. If someone says "Man, your -face- is nasty" that is bullying.

    But unless zits have somehow become magical and beautiful, it's not -automatic- bullying to call a zit nasty. In Insurrection, are they bullying Worf, or *teasing* Worf, about his gorch?
    My mom points out every time I bite my hair (its an OCD habit) which drives me nuts, and from my POV is even "unwelcome" due to the anxiety of OCD behaviors. But my mom isn't "bullying" me. I did have a teacher who implied that I would be a less valuable member of society if I kept biting my hair, and that felt like bullying - but she might have just meant that bad habits can interfere with your prospects in job interviews and I was internalizing the conversation differently. (Which wouldn't be bullying, but good advice).

    Consider two instances:

    In one, a girl tells me I need to cover my pants with my coat. She used a phrase to be delicate, but was meaning that my period had come earlier than I expected, and it showed. This was not bullying.

    In instance two, a bunch of girls in the school lockeroom pick on me for my choice of undergarments and because its my time of the month, with snide comments and pointing. This *is* bullying.

    Consider two other instances:

    Two people are sitting down for lunch, discussing their thoughts on politics. One is polyamorous and bi, one is strait. Despite that they disagree on deep issues such as relationships, whether homosexuality is a sin (or whether even "sin" exists), how charity should work, and the meaning of life, both are getting along. The disagreements and discussions seek to further understanding towards truth, not to devalue the other person as a human being. The two may offend each other now and again, and may freely seek to change each others minds - but they both know that they are friends and their humanity is not lessened by holding a different opinion. They also both know that both opinions cannot be right, and so that discussion and difference are nescessary parts of life. This is not bullying.

    Two people meet in a hall. "Intolerant bigot!" one screams. "Sodomite!" the other screams. Both flip their heads in a huff and move on, fully convinced that the other is a lesser being. This leads to an atmosphere of bullying, on both sides.

    ***

    In fact, I was bullied in highschool in part because I had opinions that were different from the norm, and voiced them. As I was 'advocating' positions (That it was good to follow rules, all right to have standards, that as christians it was good to obey God and not just be a christian in name only, that it was good for our futures to get good grades in school, etc), some students thought this was equivalent to "forcing" my opinions on them. They were afraid of my opinions affecting the status quo, and believed this freely justified tearing me down and stopping me from gaining any position where my anyone might actually pay attention or listen to my opinions. They attempted force where popularity and nudging didn't work. The thing about ideas though, is the more you supress them, the more they get noticed!!

    Ironically, many anti-bullying campaigns seek the same thing - to shut up diverse opinions. It is the tearing someone down because of their different opinion, or their 'being different', which is bullying. It is *not* the difference of opinion itself which is wrong.
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  • critter171 smitty 2012/03/12 16:18:17
    critter171
    parents are in denial. School hide infomation and pretending it does not happen this why it needs to be shown pg 13. its people like you who also need to see the movie.
  • smitty critter171 2012/03/12 18:24:52 (edited)
    smitty
    Why do I need to see it? I experienced it once. I put an end to it.

    My kids experienced it. We settled it.

    I don't need to see some glamorized version of it. I also do not need to see the very few cases of extremes. Which I would argue is not bullying, but a crime.

    Like you said.. I agree. Parents are in denial. Parents stopped being parents. They think responsibility is somehow not theirs.
  • critter171 smitty 2012/03/12 19:48:53
    critter171
    You learn what the real problem is since you have no clue... and times change bud wake up its 21 ceunty not the 50's no the problem lies when the school fail to do soemthing when it HAPPENS IN SCHOOL. your opioion is closed mindied i would advise you to see the movie when comes out and tell me the same thing with a straight face.
  • smitty critter171 2012/03/12 21:19:05 (edited)
    smitty
    I didn't go to school in the 50's.

    Yes I know it the 21st century. Yes I know times change. Some for the good some for the bad. That doesn't mean we have to forget everything we know.

    Dude.... I have kids in school. I am a parent. My kids communicate with me. I make it a point to communicate with my kids. Yes I am overbearing. Yes I am opinionated. No I don't back down. I did once and learned from my mistake.

    I teach my kids. Got it? I don't need some freggin movie to tell my kids about bullying. I don't need Lady Gaga to tell my kids about bullying while she has dildo heels on. My wife and I will be my kids role models.

    I do thank you for not F Bombing what you wrote there. It was much easier on the eyes and much easier to get your point.

    Which is my whole point to begin with, evidently, it is way over your head.
  • critter171 smitty 2012/03/12 21:59:57
  • smitty critter171 2012/03/12 22:09:24 (edited)
    smitty
    For someone not caring you sure do bring up a lot of dates. You are the one who brought up the 50's. I just figured I would correct your obvious error.

    "the problem with your theory is your trying to fix the problem that is the problem." You kidding me, right?

    "Just cause you're kids communicate with you does not mean they tell you the whole truth in fact i doubt they tell you the whole truth and i doubt they tell you everything that happen in school." My wife and I yes... everything.. no.. my oldest daughter has a crush on a boy and I can't figure out which one he is. One thing you can do in the future is not to pretend you know me or have any clue about how I live or conduct my life. You don't and quite frankly you never will. Just because you are pathetic excuse for a human being that is unable to write in a coherent sentence, doesn't me you get a free pass to go mouthing off as you please. Feel free to hide your internet bullying ass behind your computer you piece of slime.

    By the way, you look like a total schmuck with all that cursing.

    Pathetic.
  • critter171 smitty 2012/03/13 03:05:21
  • smitty critter171 2012/03/13 13:14:11
  • critter171 smitty 2012/03/14 03:42:45
    critter171
    well now look who being bully... typically answer from the bullies themselfs.
  • smitty critter171 2012/03/14 12:55:46
  • critter171 smitty 2012/03/16 21:23:57
    critter171
    you said that last time...
  • smitty critter171 2012/03/16 21:49:55
  • Untouched 2012/03/12 13:19:49
    Yes
    Untouched
    +1
    MPAA IS STUPID ;) Children get bullied even long before they're 13
  • janet 2012/03/12 12:39:51
    Yes
    janet
    +3
    The F- word could be Beeped out in order for the film to be rated PG so that younger viewers can watch it. Easy : )
  • critter171 janet 2012/03/12 16:20:16
    critter171
    +1
    janet you just don't understand you covercoated something that the parents who let the kids go with the flim said DO NOT EDIT. you covercoated it. it needs to be uncovered and pelase know the damn diffrence between pg and pg 13.
  • janet critter171 2012/03/12 19:41:39
    janet
    LMAO, My goodness no need to get so irate over bleeping the f-word out in order for the film to be viewed by younger viewers.
    Relax it is not the end of the world but thanks for giving me a momentary chuckle you over reactive little critter : )
  • critter171 janet 2012/03/12 19:49:49
  • Fenabarb 2012/03/12 12:24:42 (edited)
    Yes
    Fenabarb
    +3
    Just beep -out the F word the kids know what's said
  • critter171 Fenabarb 2012/03/12 16:21:12
  • Rhi-ot. 2012/03/12 11:09:51
    Yes
    Rhi-ot.
    +1
    Bullying habits start when people are young and young people definitely need to see that kind of stuff, otherwise they'll never outgrow it... as I've seen in the workplace.
    Here in Canada our ratings are always a step lower than yours it seems. Every time I see a commercial on an American station and the preview for a movie says rated R, I know it's probably going to be 14-A here. We turned out alright hearing the f word and seeing mild nudity at 14. There's not much of a difference between how teenagers act here than there.
  • brittneylalaa 2012/03/12 10:00:08
    No
    brittneylalaa
    +1
    I do agree that its a good movie for teens and think it shouldn't be rated R but there has to be some kind of standard when it comes to rating movies. If they let this particular movie slide on the F-bomb then what about the others? That's the way I'm looking at it. I think plenty of us(including children) have become numb to cuss words. However, the f-bomb still holds the title for a very offensive word whether some of us think so or not.
  • Jiorgia brittne... 2012/03/12 13:26:08
  • critter171 Jiorgia 2012/03/12 16:23:05
    critter171
    so is anyone going to ask for my id now :S
  • critter171 brittne... 2012/03/12 16:22:27
    critter171
    there is no standard that the problem with the whole agurment. war movie has 46 f bombs in it and it was rated r than change to pg 13... this have 5 f bombs rated r..... it does not matter the fact the movie has a bigger message is the point.
  • peter.g.mackie 2012/03/12 09:58:44
    Yes
    peter.g.mackie
    +1
    This is something of great importance to children and teenagers so they should be able to see it.
  • Jiorgia 2012/03/12 09:26:13
    Yes
    Jiorgia
    +3
    that would easily only be rated M in australia, especially if its just the language that is making it that way.
    M is 15+ without parental consent or younger with it.
  • Black Mohawk Man 2012/03/12 08:55:42
    Yes
    Black Mohawk Man
    It is stupid anyway!!
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/03/12 08:03:52 (edited)
    No
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +2
    People need to get over themselves. Guess what? The "F bomb" is something bullies say. Why try to sugar coat what's going on? A film like this should be unrated, but the "R" rating is appropriate, because it exposes the issue for what it is. The bigger issue is the ninnies who don't want this being shown in schools over a few F bombs that the kids already know anyway. Only in America would a sophmoric PG-13 double entendre fest be okay but a gritty film exposing the reality of MODERN DAY bullying (this isn't the fat kid stealing your milk money 30 years ago) for what it is.
  • smitty Beat Ma... 2012/03/12 18:28:00
    smitty
    "MODERN DAY bullying" It stopped being bullying.
  • Common Sense Conservative 2012/03/12 08:03:01
    No
    Common Sense Conservative
    +3
    I'm pretty sure it is what it is.

    How about teaching kids to fight back.
  • Beat Ma... Common ... 2012/03/12 08:09:35
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +3
    1 on 1? Okay. Most of the time, these kids are facing 5 on 1, 10 on 1, or even 20 on 1 confrontations. Anyone who can stick up to those odds isn't being bullied in the first place.
  • Common ... Beat Ma... 2012/03/12 08:14:31
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    Show proof that most face the odds you're showing. Even then. fight back.
  • LOU Common ... 2012/03/12 13:16:35
  • Inquisi... LOU 2012/03/12 15:15:06
    Inquisitve Kat
    +2
    Now I bet you're going to be told that doesn't prove a thing, and that you need a billion other pieces of 'proof' ~rolls eyes~
    That's disgusting (that some people will still defend bullying by trying to claim it as human nature).
  • Common ... LOU 2012/03/12 23:01:05
    Common Sense Conservative
    de yuuff is gedin in troobul. No what i'm sayin.

    rediclus

    This is your proof?

    Brilliant!!!
  • LOU Common ... 2012/03/13 02:14:29
    LOU
    No reason to cause pain on another human.

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