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'Bully' Documentary Currently Rated R: Should It Be Changed to PG-13?

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A new documentary about bullying, appropriated titled “Bully,” is currently rated R by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA). However, the people behind the film, as well as thousands of others around the country, are calling for the rating to be changed to PG-13 in order to make it more accessible to young people.

The MPAA decided to give “Bully” the R mark primarily because of a scene where a bully describes what he will do to a victim using variations of the F-word. Use of the F-word more than once, or only once when used to describe sexual intercourse, almost always results in an automatic R rating.

Last month, The Weinstein Company, which created the film, petitioned to have the rating changed to PG-13. TWC Co-Chairman Harvey Weinstein and Alex Libby, one of the bullied children in the film, argued that the R rating would prevent the film from reaching young audiences. In particular, the R rating prevents the documentary from being shown in schools. (The studio was planning on screening the film at various middle and high schools.) Additionally, many teens prefer to go to the movies with their friends instead of their parents, but you must be at least 17 years old to see an R-rated film without a parent or guardian.

The Weinstein Company lost their appeal. They were one vote short of the two-thirds required to overturn an MPAA rating. However, a ratings change doesn’t seem to be completely off the table. On Thursday, MPAA and Weinstein will be hosting an invitation only screening and panel event for Washington D.C. educators, to discuss “the challenges educators face in dealing with bullying in the classroom.” However, it seems likely that the rating itself will also be a topic of discussion.

What do you think SodaHeads? “Bully” is currently rated R, but should it be changed to PG-13?



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  • Depsycho 2012/03/12 02:00:25 (edited)
    Yes
    Depsycho
    +31
    ... at first I was going to say "Yes" because I thought it would be over a graphically violent scene.

    But over some "F" bombs? Sorry, but no.


    Face it, everyone: Children have heard the "F" word and figured out what it means by age 13.

    This isn't the 60s anymore where kids watch their mouths and are raised by picture-perfect parents. This is documentary, and thus must stick to reality, and bullies DO use these words.

    And this IS something that is APPROPRIATE for kids age 13 and up to watch as a glimpse of reality, and unfortunately a film some kids may be able to relate to; AND LEARN FROM.


    Still don't agree? How about this: "The Dark Knight" got a PG-13 rating, and even though it was clean language-wise, it had TONS of violence and even death in it. If THAT can get a PG-13 rating, so can this movie.



    It's time to stop bubble-wrapping our kids anyway.



    bubble wrapping kids

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  • kobidob... Mike 2012/03/13 02:29:41 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    What should be taught is an age old prinsiple. What kind of seed you plant is what you will get from the plant when it grows. That means give good to others being a good seed, and good things will be given. God will give good to whoever. A finite lifetime giving good things to get an eternity of good back. That is what should be taught. Getting something for almost nothing. Fear creates ratings. Why do we want to teach our kids fear? That is what we have done. Fear begins war. Bullies fear. That is why they are a bully. The devil is the biggest bully of them all. Say what is on the movie, and that is all. Let humans chose what they want to watch.
  • strawberry Mike 2012/03/13 05:02:39
    strawberry
    +1
    I agree, but there will always be those who bully thinking this is a cool movie. It gives them publicity.
  • brutusin~ Proud Apetheist 2012/03/13 01:45:26
    Yes
    brutusin~ Proud Apetheist
    +5
    I think Documanteries should not be rated.
  • C. C. Rider 2012/03/13 00:17:02
    Yes
    C. C. Rider
    +6
    Bullying starts young and is usually taught to them by the parents. The sooner they see themselves or others see them doing this it can be stoped.

    stop bulling
  • strawberry C. C. R... 2012/03/13 05:06:10
    strawberry
    I only hope such a movie does not cause those who bully to actually like the publicity. Parents and teachers have to stop this when children are young.
  • C. C. R... strawberry 2012/03/13 15:47:45
    C. C. Rider
    Bullies will love the attention, they do not know they are bullies, We are here to teach them they are and how to stop them.
  • vinone 2012/03/13 00:10:59
    No
    vinone
    +4
    What kid really wants to see a documentary about bullying? Let's be honest, I know I don't... Yeah, it brings across a good message and it's nice to get the word out, but kids aren't going to go to the movies and see this, if anything that will result in more bullying. The only reason kids would want to see this at school is to get out of class and sit there and more than likely make fun of it well they watch it.
  • strawberry vinone 2012/03/13 05:08:04
    strawberry
    +2
    You do make good points. Many who are already bullies just might enjoy this type of publicity.
  • lmnlme10921 2012/03/12 23:44:36
    Yes
    lmnlme10921
    +4
    This film is supposed to get a very important message out there. It shows people what bullying can really do to people. I don't think some people understand how serious of an issue this is. Teens, who seem to be the target viewers, are more likely to see a movie that they don't have to drag a parent to. Besides, this isn't your run-of-the-mill "f bomb" scenario because, 1) He's not saying it for no reason; he's effectively showing you how the bully makes him feel, and 2) it said he was using variations of the actual word. And let's be honest, nowadays, there's barely a kid over the age of eight who hasn't heard the word, and I've heard some even younger actually use it.
  • ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠ 2012/03/12 23:38:13
    Yes
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +2
    Actually... All an R rating means is that you need a parent if you are under 17. So... if kids want to see it, all they have to do is bring an adult.
  • Emily ☠ Live ... 2012/03/14 19:09:12
    Emily
    +1
    Like many kids are actually going to say "Mum, can you take me to see a film about bullying?"
  • Elementer 2012/03/12 23:14:07 (edited)
  • RastaFan 2012/03/12 22:37:12
    Yes
    RastaFan
    +2
    Sure, why not ...... they should actually rate it 'S' for stupid.

    Does any in this country not know that alarmist, full-a-sh*t, bull-sh*t movies like ~BULLY~ or the new Palin movie, ~GAME CHANGE~ are just more left wing propoganda hit pieces .... ala Micheal Mooreish garbage?

    I think most American do know it.
  • shadowmoon RastaFan 2012/03/12 23:19:29 (edited)
    shadowmoon
    +5
    'Bully' is bringing attention to an epidemic of meanness in our public schools. How the hell is that "stupid"?
  • RastaFan shadowmoon 2012/03/13 01:29:28
  • shadowmoon RastaFan 2012/03/13 02:26:19
    shadowmoon
    +3
    I stopped reading at "gay political agenda". 80% of my friends are homosexual (I am not, for the record) and they are some of the most pleasant people I have met.
    They have no goddamn agenda.

    I have intervened in too many acts of bullying to be able to say that it is NOT an epidemic. Sure, it's not restricted to homosexual kids, but if you have been to a public school in the past 5 years (which I'm guessing you haven't) you would see that a MAJORITY of the bullying is directed towards the LGBT kids. Yours is the same mindset that dates back to Segregation supporters - "It's not my problem if they can't handle being pushed around a bit". Yes, as a responsible (I use that word lightly with you) adult, you SHOULD be concerned about kids kicking the sh*t out of "different" kids without reason.

    Or maybe you did the same thing as a child, and thusly get a twisted enjoyment out of the whole deal.
  • Jenai Goss shadowmoon 2012/03/13 05:03:43
    Jenai Goss
    +4
    I was a victim of bullying at my highschool, even in front of teachers and in full knowledge of the teaching staff. Reporting it on official forms did no good: in defiance of federal law, the staff just told the bullies and the bullies retaliated more.

    And what was I picked on for? Being a virgin, getting the best grades, actually liking school and rules, and having standards. My friends were a mix of the school outcasts, some christians and some not. One of my friends was picked on because she had an extremely quirky personality and a rough home life - to the point where bullies even started a rumour that we were lesbians when she slept over once. I stood up for some of the other bullied kids at my school, but there were other kids who were bullied that I couldn't help at all. Fortunately, I actually made friends with a few of the kids who had bullied me in middle school when I defended them against others falsly accusing them (I tend to go into lawyer/judge mode when there is an altercation), which meant by senior year I had a bit more "quiet support" from the class, even though I still had some bullying from the popular kids. (The popular kids wanted to impeach me as valedictorian :P)

    No one at my school was bullied for actually being gay, or goth, or hippie. Being a non-joc...









    I was a victim of bullying at my highschool, even in front of teachers and in full knowledge of the teaching staff. Reporting it on official forms did no good: in defiance of federal law, the staff just told the bullies and the bullies retaliated more.

    And what was I picked on for? Being a virgin, getting the best grades, actually liking school and rules, and having standards. My friends were a mix of the school outcasts, some christians and some not. One of my friends was picked on because she had an extremely quirky personality and a rough home life - to the point where bullies even started a rumour that we were lesbians when she slept over once. I stood up for some of the other bullied kids at my school, but there were other kids who were bullied that I couldn't help at all. Fortunately, I actually made friends with a few of the kids who had bullied me in middle school when I defended them against others falsly accusing them (I tend to go into lawyer/judge mode when there is an altercation), which meant by senior year I had a bit more "quiet support" from the class, even though I still had some bullying from the popular kids. (The popular kids wanted to impeach me as valedictorian :P)

    No one at my school was bullied for actually being gay, or goth, or hippie. Being a non-jock that stood out too much was the worst crime, or getting As (if you weren't one of the elite student government crowd).

    The "popular" kids at my school were a mix of nominal christians (christians because their parents made them go to church) and non-christians who played sports, partied, smoked, and possibly were into a lot of other things that I really tried not to know about. (I accidentally convinced a teacher once that a kid's pot was really beef jerky (I thoguht it was) which made me very popular for a day :P)

    Yet, through all this, the only 'bullying' movies I have ever seen aren't on *bullying* itself, but advancing politically correct views and supressing free ideas.

    To say "I disagree with that" or "that isn't healthy" isn't bullying. I had many discussions with my friends, I even fought a lot with a boy I liked in school. Among friends, you tell each other when you get involved with unhealthy things - and we did. I even trusted other students who were not my close friends to call me on things that I might not see in myself, and got some good advice.

    To say "I disagree with your existence" IS bullying. To say "I hate you, you're not as valuable" is bullying. To say "You're stupid" is bullying, as opposed to saying "Have you considered this fact?"

    And there is where many bullying movies do turn into propaganda. Rather than focus on what bullying is (tearing people down), they focus on how "everything and anything in the world is acceptable" and make bullying out to be "commenting/trying to change anything about someone else". Our friendships should make us grow, and hopefully make us change for the better!! *Grow* (built up) being the operative word.
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  • RastaFan shadowmoon 2012/03/13 05:31:02
  • shadowmoon RastaFan 2012/03/13 06:14:08
  • strawberry shadowmoon 2012/03/13 05:20:13
    strawberry
    +1
    The movie could serve a good purpose. Will such a movie stop bullying.? Many bullies are very mean spirited kids who would be drawn to such a movie for hype and publicity. There is a fine line here. Parents or anyone seeing someone bullied should stop it, but most likely will not change a bully. This has to be stopped while children are very young. My son punched a boy in jr. high who kept knocking my son's books from his hands. One day my son gave him a good punch in front of kids in the school hallway. This kid never bothered my son anymore. Problem, many bullies are in gangs. It is not just a one on one. A gang of bullies could pick on one kid. I believe parents should take their kids with them to see this movie.
  • Resizst... RastaFan 2012/03/12 23:23:57
    Resizstance
    +2
    LOL! No you didn't!! Ha Ha !! Agree completely. Except for your last statement. Most Americans don't have a clue and will swallow this latest attempt at wussification like a hungry fly gulfing down a fresh warm turd.
  • RastaFan Resizst... 2012/03/13 01:48:22
    RastaFan
    +1
    Resizst .... let me tell you about CCR there, since she banned me long ago for speaking truthfully to her warped Left Wing clodhopper ears. If you please, allow me to analyse her words to you ... since they represent the epitome of 'progressive' junk thought and you know what? The little bird doesn't even have a clue she reveals herself so.

    Her clear position, by her very own words is that since you did not agree with the message or with the producer's obvious intent in making it, it's because you 'missed' the message of the film. How typical of Socialists to deduce along those lines.

    The truth is, you could completely understand the message and simply not believe much of it. Like me. Further, she will state only bullies miss the message .... leaving the dutiful lefty sheep to deduce that if bullies are the only ones who miss the message and you missed the message, (can you hear their little lefty brains whirring and clicking?) then ipso facto ....... you must be a bully! And of course, bullies are to be shouted at.

    Now .... is she really that stupid? No. She's proven to have at least completed her high school by virtue of other things I've seen her write and the level of her grammar, penmanship, deductive reasoning, etc So ... why would she try and slip such stupidity i...





    Resizst .... let me tell you about CCR there, since she banned me long ago for speaking truthfully to her warped Left Wing clodhopper ears. If you please, allow me to analyse her words to you ... since they represent the epitome of 'progressive' junk thought and you know what? The little bird doesn't even have a clue she reveals herself so.

    Her clear position, by her very own words is that since you did not agree with the message or with the producer's obvious intent in making it, it's because you 'missed' the message of the film. How typical of Socialists to deduce along those lines.

    The truth is, you could completely understand the message and simply not believe much of it. Like me. Further, she will state only bullies miss the message .... leaving the dutiful lefty sheep to deduce that if bullies are the only ones who miss the message and you missed the message, (can you hear their little lefty brains whirring and clicking?) then ipso facto ....... you must be a bully! And of course, bullies are to be shouted at.

    Now .... is she really that stupid? No. She's proven to have at least completed her high school by virtue of other things I've seen her write and the level of her grammar, penmanship, deductive reasoning, etc So ... why would she try and slip such stupidity into a page and present it as reasonable?

    It's the 'progressive' way in America. It's the progressive way to shut down the debate by attempting to demonize dissent. It's an age old communist/socialist method and this little girl is doing nothing but carrying forward the tactics of her political ancestry.

    Do me a favor and tap her on the shouder to have her ake a look here and to let her know I still enjoy spitting on her Marxist pen and paper.

    Thanks, dude.
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  • XENON23 2012/03/12 22:29:11
    Yes
    XENON23
    +2
    Yes PG - 13 is fine.
  • BigFig#9 2012/03/12 22:25:27
    Yes
    BigFig#9
    +2
    My pet Peeves with MPAA are SEX vs VIOLENCE vs DRUG REFERENCES and 'CONTEXT'. From what I know this is the case of 1) the context of the F word (real usage by a real kid like they hear on the play-ground) and secondly, regardless, this whole concept that a word, alone, can cause harm. Mean while violence must get pretty graphic before that R rating comes along and to me, that's much more a concern. If little Johnny comes home from the movies and calls Sister Susie an F&^%ing something I am upset. If Little Johnie comes home from the movies and knocks sister Susie upside the head with a baseball bat then I'd have to say I'm much more concerned.
  • mm61675 2012/03/12 22:21:31
    Yes
    mm61675
    +1
    but with a blatant warning about the scene with the "F" word
  • Jada_Ringo 2012/03/12 22:09:18
    Yes
    Jada_Ringo
    Wait a movie for children... which they're not aloud to watch?
  • CheeChee Christine Merritt 2012/03/12 22:06:09
    Yes
    CheeChee Christine Merritt
    It should be accessible for youth to see how important it is not to be a bully. I believe that if youth can see the effects of bullying, they may take a second look before indulging in such a negative behavior.
  • Bulanova (Team Hargitay) 2012/03/12 21:53:51
    Yes
    Bulanova (Team Hargitay)
    +3
    So it's okay for them to live it but not to watch it? It's incredible that the age group the movie is about can't even see it. Wake up, MPAA. It's HAPPENING TO REAL KIDS AT THE AGE YOU'RE RESTRICTING. It doesn't get any realer than real life!
  • faith <3 2012/03/12 21:49:07
    Yes
    faith <3
    +3
    I've seen 6 year olds use the F word a thousand times, I think I can handle a bully using that word a couple times too.

    little kid cussing
  • Melisa.Vaughan111 2012/03/12 21:16:43
    Yes
    Melisa.Vaughan111
    +2
    This something that young people should be able to see if it is something that will actually help them. Just hoping that it is not like some after school special that always has its happy endings. Not that I am saying that it should end badly, just realistically. Hopfully it will show the consequences of being a bully as well.
  • DeborahLakeHelen 2012/03/12 21:13:45
    Yes
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +4
    Good grief! It's the kids 12-17 who need to see it the most!
  • Jack's Pearl 2012/03/12 20:40:43
    Yes
    Jack's Pearl
    +1
    My gut tells me yes, although I do have reservations about the F word being normalized for young teens. Because that in itself is abuse to me. Using that word. But then, I guess they need to know that, and if such a film is shown to my child, I should be there to have a conversation.
  • John "By God" American 2012/03/12 20:32:14
    Yes
    John "By God" American
    +1
    Keep it away from the target audience, that's perfect. That is about as stupid as if it were a government agency doing it.
  • budgerigar42 2012/03/12 20:21:07
  • S123 budgeri... 2012/03/12 23:09:08
    S123
    +1
    Well in that case,
    harry potter characters
  • lmnlme1... budgeri... 2012/03/12 23:48:24
  • Angecael 2012/03/12 20:15:01
    Yes
    Angecael
    +3
    \What benefit will be had for a bunch of adults watching this movie?
    Its about school bullying.
  • ❤Runaway❤ Angecael 2012/03/12 21:18:11
    ❤Runaway❤
    I totally agree!
  • JonahTFOT 2012/03/12 20:14:07
    Yes
    JonahTFOT
    +3
    The ratings are too strict as it is. I can guarentee that anyone thirteen and over doesn't care about frequent use of the F-Bomb (They go to a middle school, they hear it frequently). Besides, this movie seems like it's intended to educate if they want it to be played in schools. If we can watch Shindler's List in school, they can watch this movie (Although I'm in High School, so I'm not sure what the variations are between High and Middle School when it comes to movies).
  • eminemfan 2012/03/12 19:42:21
    Yes
    eminemfan
    +1
    it says Use of the F-word more than once, or only once when used to describe sexual intercourse, almost always results in an automatic R rating... have aney of u seen the movie ''paul'' its pg 13 and swears more than some r movies it swears like 10 times in 1 minute nd this is getting an r rating for saying the f word idk maby 10-20 times

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