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British Schools Ban Best Friends: Are Best Friends Healthy?

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A handful of primary (elementary) schools in south London are reportedly discouraging kids from having best friends and attempting to get them to interact in larger groups. Though The Sun, a major British tabloid, is calling the policy a "ban," it's unclear to what extent schools are taking it. Educational psychologist Gaynor Sbuttoni says the schools are enforcing the policy to "save the child the pain of splitting up from their best friend."

Obviously, the policy has been met with severe criticism. Campaign for Real Education spokesman Chris McGovern explained, "Children take things very seriously and if you tell them they can’t have a best friend it can be seriously damaging to them. They need to learn about relationships." A member of the National Association of Head Teachers added, "I don’t think it is widespread but it is clearly happening. It seems bizarre." Do you think having a best friend is a healthy part of growing up?

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  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/04/27 14:46:02 (edited)
    Yes
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +37
    Has it ever occurred to anyone that there are some people who do not want to be friends with large groups? Being an introvert or not wanting to have a huge group of acquaintances is not a bad thing. Neither is being outgoing and overly social. Quit treating the people who don't want to be parts of big groups as freaks. Some of us feel the life getting sucked out of us if more than 10 people are in a room. I have good friends, I get along with everyone, but under the pain of being expelled, I would have told a teacher or school administrator to go to hell before giving up my best friend.

    All of the rules change the minute high school ends anyway. All of those "acquaintances" that they want these kids to have? They'll be gone from their lives 2 months after graduation. I'm still in touch with my best friends from high school and most of the time, they're closer than my actual family.

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  • Groundskeeper Willy 2012/04/27 15:05:09
    Yes
    Groundskeeper Willy
    +2
    consider that great britain has become a model of lunacy, it's not surprising.
  • ☠ Live ... Grounds... 2012/04/28 00:21:52
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    Hard to believe they used to rule half the planet, huh?
  • Grizz 2012/04/27 14:56:17 (edited)
    Yes
    Grizz
    +3
    especially with benefits. friends with sex benifits
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/04/27 14:46:02 (edited)
    Yes
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +37
    Has it ever occurred to anyone that there are some people who do not want to be friends with large groups? Being an introvert or not wanting to have a huge group of acquaintances is not a bad thing. Neither is being outgoing and overly social. Quit treating the people who don't want to be parts of big groups as freaks. Some of us feel the life getting sucked out of us if more than 10 people are in a room. I have good friends, I get along with everyone, but under the pain of being expelled, I would have told a teacher or school administrator to go to hell before giving up my best friend.

    All of the rules change the minute high school ends anyway. All of those "acquaintances" that they want these kids to have? They'll be gone from their lives 2 months after graduation. I'm still in touch with my best friends from high school and most of the time, they're closer than my actual family.
  • uninfor... Beat Ma... 2012/04/28 00:06:58
    uninformedluddite
    +5
    These days you would be diagnosed as having social anxiety disorder and if your parents supported you having a best friend over a large group of acquantainces over the wishes of the state they would possibly be diagnosed as having oppositional defiance disorder. I didn't make those disorders up. They are really listed in the DSM and applicable in your situation. Don't think for a second I agree with them. I am on your side here.
  • Met Beat Ma... 2012/04/28 12:43:27
    Met
    +1
    It's not that it hasn't occurred to them. It's just that people like us are more likely to be disillusioned enough with the world they paint for us, to flip out and kill lots of people from time to time.

    And it's always our best friend who helps.
  • Yaati Beat Ma... 2012/04/28 14:45:37
    Yaati
    +2
    Wonderful point you make about life 'after graduation'. Ha, you know I thought for some reason that social networking sites like Facebook would change ALL of that and all the people I used to talk to in the classroom would still keep in touch, but it really, really doesn't. I'm still only talking to that one best friend and all the other either ignore me (and vise versa), or we've gotten rid of each other from our respective friends lists.

    Born an introvert; die an introvert.
  • Little ... Yaati 2012/04/28 15:53:20
    Little Fawn
    Agreed. Exactly how it is with me.
  • Vipor_GG Beat Ma... 2012/04/28 19:58:35
    Vipor_GG
    A most excellent comment!
  • BigFig#9 2012/04/27 14:41:06
    No
    BigFig#9
    +2
    It's a matter of degrees - I have witnessed children mutually obsessed to the point of the exclusion of all others. If this is the risk being addressed I would support. If (as articles suggest) this is a general attempt to have kids who normally socialize with others not form 'best friend' relationships then its a mistake... I'm comforted with my kids having multiple BFFs even though it defies the definition of 'best' (unique and singularly above others).
  • Beat Ma... BigFig#9 2012/04/27 14:55:27
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +5
    What if the kid is naturally introverted (something that is totally normal and fine) and doesn't want to have huge circles of friends? Is that to be forced on them too?
  • BigFig#9 Beat Ma... 2012/04/27 15:05:43
    BigFig#9
    +2
    Nope - but a SINGLE EXCLUSIVE 2 person club totally excluding others is a setup for issues.... This is not as rare as you might think but certainly the normal 'best friend' relationship is fine if it's not to the exclusion of all others...
  • smitty BigFig#9 2012/04/27 14:59:40 (edited)
    smitty
    +2
    Wouldn't that fall unto the parents? Why do the school need to do squat?
  • BigFig#9 smitty 2012/04/27 15:12:47
    BigFig#9
    +1
    You assume much more parenting is happening than is... The number of parents with little to no involvement is astounding.... Economically stressed single parents and so forth.... School's need to foster socialization as well.
  • smitty BigFig#9 2012/04/27 15:21:04 (edited)
    smitty
    +2
    Yes I do. I expect parents to be parents. I enjoy being a parent to my kids. I do not want a system to be the parents to my kids.

    If in case this is the big issue then the government should go after the parents. I am tired of the schools acting as parents and baby sitters. They are educators. Let them do that.

    My wife is a teacher in economically stress system. I am all aware of the "parenting". She is mother to 20+ kids. She is always dealing with issues of babies...boyfriends...single families with the parents being in jail...grandmothers that can't handle the kids and do not know what to do with them.

    We (my conservative brethen) love to bash teachers. I tell my wife almost once a week I could never do her job. They couldn't pay me enough.
  • cmvande... smitty 2012/04/27 20:38:59
    cmvanderwallbrown
    "Schools" do not necessarily "educate". 'Education' is the process whereby we learn to navigate the world. Within a school, and within a person's schooling, someone may have educational opportunities (times when we learn to better navigate the world in which we live), but presuming that education is the same thing as schooling can lead to some unrealistic assumptions. Schooling is a time where certain social narratives are addressed and discussed. In some instances, the rapidly changing environment of a society requires narratives offered to be conserving, while in other cultures and time, schooling must be revolutionary (its narratives).

    School acts as a counterpoint to the narratives of the culture.

    Rearing of the young (historically) has never been the sole responsibility of the parent(s). In cultures and communities that have remained unchanged (relatively speaking) for thousands of years have drastically different cultural norms than do our modern society. Humans use public education as a means to raise the young (teach and mentor) by those best suited to the task. The best and brightest at conveying the social structure, etc. But, to say that the task of raising the young is not a community affair, really neglects the whole idea of community. In the 21st century, as it has...







    "Schools" do not necessarily "educate". 'Education' is the process whereby we learn to navigate the world. Within a school, and within a person's schooling, someone may have educational opportunities (times when we learn to better navigate the world in which we live), but presuming that education is the same thing as schooling can lead to some unrealistic assumptions. Schooling is a time where certain social narratives are addressed and discussed. In some instances, the rapidly changing environment of a society requires narratives offered to be conserving, while in other cultures and time, schooling must be revolutionary (its narratives).

    School acts as a counterpoint to the narratives of the culture.

    Rearing of the young (historically) has never been the sole responsibility of the parent(s). In cultures and communities that have remained unchanged (relatively speaking) for thousands of years have drastically different cultural norms than do our modern society. Humans use public education as a means to raise the young (teach and mentor) by those best suited to the task. The best and brightest at conveying the social structure, etc. But, to say that the task of raising the young is not a community affair, really neglects the whole idea of community. In the 21st century, as it has been slowly occurring for many yes now, has been a product of the destruction of the community, and the production of an artificial unit that is more easy to move and transport within the economic society.

    It would be very difficult for society to operate if we couldn't move the socioeconomic components of "family" around like chess pieces. What would happen if a community was locked? You'd be far more limited on your means. This is the historical state of culture. Modern times have demanded and promoted the breaking up of the social unit, but our system of learning has remained unchanged. We have removed the social rearing components of the community, while not implementing some replacement, leaving parents as the only means of raising the young. What is left is either a large socialized social rearing system, or many disenfranchised people. Unless, of course, we want to preprogram children through some kind of implant and incubation period--something like what is spoken of from the Borg on Star Trek--or give up our modern societies and return to a rural community life?

    Most people, it would seem, do not want to return to that life--we could not, for our population demands the institutions remain what they are.

    Therefore, our society must endeavor in some fashion to replace the community rearing of the young. Parents, in a socially successful environment, cannot be left to indoctrinate their children--this is not something rural societies allowed. Reading the ancient Greeks or Romans, we see this commonplace. It was forbidden for those in the society to let parents do everything--but, parenting is also vitally important.

    It's a very complex historical process. One that leaves many unsatisfactory answers and even more unanswered questions.
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  • uninfor... cmvande... 2012/04/28 00:09:43
    uninformedluddite
    I bet your a big mangina too
  • cmvande... uninfor... 2012/04/28 17:57:22
    cmvanderwallbrown
    Really? Was that called for? ad hominem? Please...
  • smitty cmvande... 2012/04/30 13:09:31
    smitty
    Schooling is the preparation of our children to learn. It gives them the tools to learn. Yes, they also have social interactions with other. The social part is better left with the parent.

    For as liberal as our schools are, I would rather be the one teaching my kids the social aspect. Which I do. I also frequently disagree with teaching methods and show my child the easier way to do it. I teach them how to add/subtract/multiply/divide in their head. I teach them that their may be discrepancies from what "facts" they are learning.

    We had a very in depth discussion when the idiots proclaimed Pluto was no longer planet, just one example.

    The schools should not be there to teach them the social aspect. That is why it takes a village to raise a child. I frequently am telling kids in my neighborhood what is right and wrong.

    Yes many of us are now relying on the schools to do everything. Even our jobs as parents which is wrong.
  • BigFig#9 smitty 2012/04/28 04:20:36
    BigFig#9
    You are right and while Parents should be parents' they often aren't and God bless (and I'm an atheist) the teachers who step in to be the parents for these kids because it's not the kid's fault and in the end, we're gonna pay if those kids don't get some help.
  • cmvande... smitty 2012/04/28 17:59:02
    cmvanderwallbrown
    Smitty, I just realized who I replied too. Hahaha. This is becoming a regular habit of mine. :) Anyhow, sorry for any unnecessary testiness in my reply. :)

    I read a lot on this and am planning on going into education. As for your wife, teaching, when you actually are one, is an incredibly honorable profession. I give you mega props. :)
  • smitty cmvande... 2012/04/30 13:17:00
    smitty
    No worries. I enjoy reading it. Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant.

    You may want to re-think going into education unless it will be at the professor level. Unless you happen to get into a neighborhood that supports education, it will be rough. If you like challenges though it may be good for you.

    20 years ago as we were going through college, she was taking her special ed course. I would meet her around 8pm at the altheltic facility. In one of her classes she would meet with autistic children for different types of exercise. To see how shoudl would bond with these children were amazing. To see the faces of the parents when they came to pick up their kids was amazing. It was one of the most memorable experiences in my life.

    When the parents are there to reinforce, education is a dream. When the parent do not care, or even worse cannot read, it is all downhill and one of the worst jobs on the planet. She has had to call children services so many times she has them on speed dial. The stories she has seen on many of these kids wouold make a normal person cry for hours.

    Anyway.. we are here for opinion.. even if they differ from ours.
  • the judgebigdogeagle 2012/04/27 14:32:54 (edited)
    Yes
    the judgebigdogeagle
    +2
    I have known my best friend for over 30 years. I have said school districts make these rules that they think will help students over all. Stupid. But this is idiotic. I have known him & his late brother since 1978 and has been a great help since my dad passed in 2008
  • Aqua Surf 2012/04/27 14:24:46
    Yes
    Aqua Surf
    +2
    What utter nonsense! Best friends are important; you don;t want to tell your secrets to everyone. There is a time and place for interacting with larger groups-It's called recess. There are surely team projects that the children work on together in class as well? Pain is also a part of life; molly-coddling these children does them no favor.
  • <3XXmiyuXX<3 2012/04/27 14:22:04
    Yes
    <3XXmiyuXX<3
    +1
    This is horrible and ridiculous! Some kids are really going to get hurt.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/04/27 14:00:26
  • Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/04/27 13:53:24
    Yes
    Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +5
    It's a natural tendency for kids to develop "best friends" relationships.For these social engineers types to discourage this natural tendency is an attempt to squash individuality.And to drive kids into thinking more as a group!
  • Shigyrl but outspoken on my... 2012/04/27 13:21:01
    Yes
    Shigyrl but outspoken on my future
    +5
    How much more social engineering with the group think mentality will these people do?
  • User Deactivated 2012/04/27 13:07:11
    Yes
    User Deactivated
    +4
    This is ridiculous. It's nice to have one very best friend you can count on no matter what, than to have many acquaintances that you don't have a deep relationship with such as that of with a best friend. Schools should stay the heck out of things like this. They should have no rule over such things
  • ray 2012/04/27 13:06:57
    Yes
    ray
    +9
    Betrayal comes fast and furious in growing up . It is comforting to know that there is on person whom will stick with you regardless of the adversity to come.

    The group think , hive mentality is a serious disease. That is where individuals sacrifice themselves and their own moral judgment to the collective.
  • Beat Ma... ray 2012/04/27 14:54:17
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +4
    The hive is what they want to force us into. A good 25% of the human population is naturally introverted, and yet we're treated like a disease. I'd rather have the circle of 3-5 close friends whom I trust with my life as opposed to the 100-200 shallow acquaintances that will mean nothing to me when times change in life.

    Times change, people change, but real friends will be there for you. What this school is doing is forcing a culture of isolated fakeness on the kids.
  • ray Beat Ma... 2012/04/27 15:25:34
    ray
    You're correct , particularly important to the shy or those who march to the sound of the different drummer.

    People need to have those intimate friends to tell personal thoughts, fears , dreams and wishes with . Mutual sharing of those thoughts make the bond grow tighter .
    These things are not group activities .
  • Yaati ray 2012/04/28 14:54:18
    Yaati
    +1
    "The group think , hive mentality is a serious disease. That is where individuals sacrifice themselves and their own moral judgment to the collective."

    I need to print this out and hang it on my wall somewhere and quote it "ray from SodaHead". So painfully true. Another benefit of having that one best friend, I believe, is that it gives you someone you can be true with. You aren't putting up a farce when you're with them; you allow yourself to be just yourself. Among groups you'll often find yourself saying/doing something only so you can 'belong' to that group.

    Sure best friends will influence each other (my own admitted to me that I coaxed her out of her shell and she's helped me reconsider several of my prejudices) but for the most part, they're your best friend and love you for who you are.

    GEEZ this whole thing has got me riled up. e_e
  • ray Yaati 2012/04/28 16:35:32
    ray
    " they're your best friend and love you for who you are."
    When it goes both ways , you have found a best friend .
  • TasselLady 2012/04/27 13:04:11
    Yes
    TasselLady
    +6
    As long as they don't hurt other people by ganging up on people they don't like.
  • T. James H TasselLady 2012/04/30 21:15:27
  • TasselLady T. James H 2012/04/30 21:17:22
    TasselLady
    +1
    With some of the friends I had I didn't need enemies. I didn't find my true friends until I was OUT of school. Best thing that ever happened. As far as some of my so-called "friends" in school, good riddance to bad garbage.
  • T. James H TasselLady 2012/04/30 21:30:41
  • TasselLady T. James H 2012/04/30 21:36:34
    TasselLady
    +1
    I hear you. I would do the same.

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