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Big Banker Bonuses. Clasp Your Hands and Pray for Them.

- If you are a taxpayer in the Northeast, here is some advice: Get down on a knee, clasp your hands and pray.

Pray for banker bonuses this year. Big ones. Cash, preferably.

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New York's state government, and its dysfunctional neighbors in New Jersey and Connecticut, already are in deep financial crisis. Without the tax revenue from Wall Street pay and bonuses, they could find themselves closer to the brink.

Like much of America, you may find the idea of big banker paydays unsettling. After all, it was taxpayers who saved Wall Street's hide. Even now, the finance industry's nose-in-the-air entitlement makes taxpayers feel all the more enraged over the bailouts.

But in the same way banks became addicted to mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations, so did state and local governments rely heavily on financial-sector wealth. In the broadest sense, the last decade turned the entire Northeast into bankers and traders, all waiting for that bonus check.

Thirty years ago, the securities industry generated less than 3% of all private-sector salaries and wages in New York state, according to E.J. McMahon of the Empire Center for New York State Policy, part of the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank. By 2007, these wages accounted for nearly 20% of the total. Similarly, one in five New York state tax dollars came from Wall Street. In New Jersey, the effects were the same: Its income-tax receipts nearly doubled between 2002 and 2007, in large part because of the great credit boom.

Also keep in mind that if corporations are paying less cash bonuses then tax revenue declines. Individual tax rates are considerably higher than corporate tax rates.... Read full article »
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  • Knot_RIch 2009/11/10 21:07:58
    Knot_RIch
    +3
    Yeah, I think you're right, i think I feel that trickle down right now.
    Oops, sorry, it was just more Wall Street bankers pissing on my head, probably from all that champaign I bought them for screwing up the economy so bad.
    Once they have paid back ALL the money, plus interest, we the taxpayers have dumped into their pen for them to wallow in, then, and ONLY then, should they get bonus checks. While they're using my money, they're simply wards of the state.

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  • marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS 2009/11/11 00:50:37
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    i may be wrong but i dont belive so.
    seems the government is making as many wealthy people even more money.
    is it the calm before the NWO storm? there will be those with alot of money and those with little amounts of money.

    i could be wrong....but i dont belive i am.
  • -sasman- 2009/11/11 00:17:22
  • airraid81 2009/11/10 23:33:32
    airraid81
    If we didn't give a bailout, why would we give a damn?

    Guess you shouldn't support bailouts in the future...
  • Paex18 2009/11/10 23:32:54
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    +2
    The top 1% in this country now make more than the bottom 99% combined. The bailout, the "trickle-down" effect--its all bull****.
  • Bear 2009/11/10 22:07:42
    Bear
    +2
    a good read......interesting stats on the growth of the financial services industry......I have lots of friends on Wall Street and while I hope they get paid big I also know (and most of them recognize) they are not worth the money they get paid......they are beneficiaries of the 'like attracts like' rule of nature......surrounded by and working with money, they naturally attract lots of money......it's a good game if you can get in.....
  • Leantom, the Economic Ratio... 2009/11/10 21:44:17
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    As long as their paychecks aren't the result of tax-payers bailing them out, I'm OK with successful people making a lot of money.

    I have far, far, far, far more respect for them than government bureaucrats who do absolutely nothing and yet make millions.
  • patt Leantom... 2009/11/11 00:37:06
    patt
    There is no comparison between what our government workers (no matter what their position) make and what Wall Street takes. I suggest, you base your retirement of what 'trickles down" from the the Wall Street ilk, as some on the right would have us do. I would take SS any day of the week. You have not yet learned what 'greed' is.
  • Leantom... patt 2009/11/11 00:43:37
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +1
    On the contrary, Patt, the wealthiest counties in the United States are major bureaucratic centers (San Fran., Washington D.C., etc.). These people produce absolutely nothing and yet they comprise a large portion of this country's wealthy populace. Now, there may be no comparison between what government workers make and what corporate heads make, but the former is certainly making too much money (just look at a list of the wealthiest counties to see what I mean).
  • patt Leantom... 2009/11/11 00:57:07
    patt
    And that is a huge part of recent failures. You cannot run a country with a handful of bureaucrats who produce wealth out of meaningless paper and expect that house of cards to stand up to the the big bad wolf. It bought the bullet more than a year ago, and now you would like to resuscitate it back to a leadership position?

    You must be young to believe they will be able to support your through your old age, without fail.
  • Knot_RIch 2009/11/10 21:07:58
    Knot_RIch
    +3
    Yeah, I think you're right, i think I feel that trickle down right now.
    Oops, sorry, it was just more Wall Street bankers pissing on my head, probably from all that champaign I bought them for screwing up the economy so bad.
    Once they have paid back ALL the money, plus interest, we the taxpayers have dumped into their pen for them to wallow in, then, and ONLY then, should they get bonus checks. While they're using my money, they're simply wards of the state.
  • ~Pro-Fetus Anti-Liberal Ant... 2009/11/10 21:01:06
    ~Pro-Fetus Anti-Liberal Anti-Atheist~
    Those 'evil' bankers!!! How dare they earn money, lol!!!
  • patt ~Pro-Fe... 2009/11/11 00:20:14
    patt
    You don't like your own money much, huh?
  • ~Pro-Fe... patt 2009/11/11 01:02:01
    ~Pro-Fetus Anti-Liberal Anti-Atheist~
    Oh brother!!! Could you stop just for one second, to be grateful for what you have and to stop worrying about who has more? My money is secure, thanks.
  • Michael 2009/11/10 20:41:21
    Michael
    +3
    People are too concerned about what other people make. Successful Wall Street people make a ton of money compared to the rest of America. Should be blame them or not reward them for their success. Unlike many business, those individuals make a lot of money for the firms they work at. They have relationships with company executives based on a history of trust. Those successful Wall Street folks can bring their relationships to any company they go to and, thus, they bring tremendous value.

    The reality is too that I would rather have an individual get back $1 million than have the company keep it and potentially pay higher taxes due to a lower tax rate or pay no taxes as a result of previous tax losses. These individual taxes are key for the local towns, communities and schools. Plus I feel when an individual receives it they are likely to spend it!

    These people buy houses, cars, clothes, electronics, gifts and other consumer goods that tend to have a better trickle down effect to the rest of the economy.

    Let's all pray people get paid a lot in cash and maybe one day the good karma will be returned back to us!
  • Hula gi... Michael 2009/11/10 22:16:32
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    I think we are just not fond of the Bailout banks getting the bonuses. I think Government should stay out of pay but if the rest of us are holding the bank together then bonuses should be held until they are profitable again and the loan is repaid. If they pay with the banks own profits then go for it but pay back our money first.

    How are you doing? I haven't seen you around much!
  • Michael Hula gi... 2009/11/11 08:29:06
    Michael
    Hey Hula, long time no talk. Hope you are well. I hear ya on the banks, but keep in mind if people don't get paid they will leave, so their lies the fine line of not paying and not paying enough. At least the biggest banks are paying the govn't back so it seems like many bailed out banks will be repaying the money back plus interest. Look at Goldman and JP Morgan they paid back all their money. BofA is paying 2 billion of interest a quarter so that seems to be ok so far. Who knows, it's tough to say, certainly they get paid way too much for their worth.

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  • Hula gi... Michael 2009/11/11 19:44:55
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    I understand as my fiance was a Sr. VP of one the largest bank conglomerates here in Hawaii and was with Bank of America prior. He got laid off after 17 years in the crash last September 15th and the executive move around. Talk about rough road. Then you are over qualified and hard to get hired at a certain age when companies aren't hiring. He took a huge cut in pay to be where he is. They do have talent and I know in his case he came to this bank to save the account and found them millions in savings per year immediately. Now that he is gone...a whole department is crumbling and people are leaving in droves...it was him that was holding it together. It's talent that isn't recognized by the public. The same thing happened with BofA. He went in to save a massive section of the bank and he did. He saved them massive amounts and got the department straightened out and then on to the next bank....the bank couldn't follow through and it finally failed in that department and a whole new company took over. He's a fixer.
  • LawMan5150 Michael 2009/11/10 23:45:14
    LawMan5150
    +2
    I have no problem with a SUCESSFULL buisness rewarding it's employees with bonuses of any size. I think the problem is when those bonuse come from my grandchildrens national debt. When the banks got bailots it should have been with the conditional re-negotions of those contract the same way a bankruptcy occurs. The reasons that that was not the case. Is because those CEO' gave millions of dollars to Bush and then double as much to Obama. It's the corruption and government for sale that pisses us off.
  • patt LawMan5150 2009/11/11 00:31:56
    patt
    Yeah, it's sorta like taxes cuts for the wealthy. Maybe, someday, when they have "enough" (whatever that is) they will let the rest trickle down to the peons. They call us "pee-ons" for a reason.
  • patt Michael 2009/11/11 00:17:31
    patt
    How well did the "trickle-down" from the bailouts work for you? or me? or anyone who did not have a contract for a 'bonus' even after driving their company to the brink of extinction?

    Tell me, please, have you ever met a person who, on the merit of intelligence or knowledge, was worth a Billion or more per year? Even sports heroes, who make money for their investors, can you REALLY defend their worth in the millions/per/yr? Many are uneducated street hoods who HAPPEN to have a talent. And they get millions and are role models to our children, while all the time raping or stealing or doing drugs. Yeah, yeah, I KNOW they are not all like that. But enough are that a reasonable person would have to wonder where in hell our values are.

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