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Mopeder 2012/03/30 16:04:39
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  • DJL 2012/04/04 05:32:56
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    DJL
    That proves Biden is as big of an idiot as Obama.
  • Aqua Surf 2012/04/01 05:40:18
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    Aqua Surf
    He's not confident; he's bluffing for show. Polish up that resume OBiden, you're going to need it after 1-20-13!
  • Claybern 2012/04/01 00:08:19
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    I am confident they will throw the whole thing under the bus.
  • Beccy 2012/03/31 23:02:15
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    Beccy
    This is a long ways from the national health care that we need. This is just going to give the insurance companies the license to steal more money from us so I see no reason to cheer.
  • Shirleywillow 2012/03/31 21:38:55
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    Shirleywillow
    I hope he is right! God help this Country if the Health Law is wiped out by the same court who gave us Bush in 2000 and Citizens United.
  • Gordy 2012/03/31 09:56:44
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    Gordy
    +2
    Joe Biden said something you believe? LOL
  • Captain-Morgan 2012/03/31 06:29:49
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    When has he ever been right about anything? He's Open Mouth And Put Foot In It Biden...
  • H H 2012/03/31 04:07:25
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    Biden is just an apologist for BO. He couldn't be expected to say anything unsupportive of the Marxist turd pile's totalitarian healthcare act could he? If the individual mandate stands, it's the end of constitutional liberty and freedom in America.
  • James 2012/03/31 03:33:27
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    Thats because the fix is already in. Just like the elections.
  • thecutesttentacle 2012/03/31 02:48:56
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    thecutesttentacle
    maybe
  • Luis 2012/03/31 02:12:39
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    Luis
    I hope he is right but I have a bad feeling because Scalia would allow people to die on the street. He is an ass.
  • 4570GOVT 2012/03/31 00:08:06
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    Don't Get Your Hopes Up JOE !
  • Hotcho 2012/03/30 23:07:00
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    Hotcho
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    You mean Joe Turdface believes that?
  • mich52 2012/03/30 22:28:46
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    +1
    The Roberts Court is to shady to say one way or the other but something needs to be done about healthcare cost and we know the GOP is clueless..
  • James 2012/03/30 22:22:52
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    Biden, the Constitutional scholar, is a moron.
  • lstl5 2012/03/30 22:19:44 (edited)
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    No, I dont think the law will be upheld. It is partisan and Scalia wont let his conservative friends down and neither will Thomas.
  • HOMBRE 2012/03/30 22:18:48
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    If you want a sure bet. What ever way Biden bets go the opposite and your a sure winner.
  • Boris D. 2012/03/30 22:14:02 (edited)
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    Boris D.
    Who cares what Joe "open mouth, insert foot" Biden says, other than his frequent gaffes?

  • BILL 2012/03/30 22:08:17
  • mac9 2012/03/30 22:04:23
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    Biden has never been right about anything!
  • Heisenberg 2012/03/30 21:24:56
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    That's good. If they have any shred of humanity, they would uphold the law. The reason they're there is to serve the people and not special interest groups or corporations.
  • mac9 Heisenberg 2012/03/30 22:04:49
    mac9
    Hoooo......hmmmm
  • Jo Heisenberg 2012/03/30 22:19:16
    Jo
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    brilliant observation!! too bad there arent more that can think just as intelligently:)
  • Heisenberg Jo 2012/04/02 21:39:12
    Heisenberg
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    Thank you for your kind words miss. They can think intelligently if they'll just open their minds and read more.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/02 21:03:32
    Superman
    If they respect the Constitution then theyll strike at least the mandate down as a violation of states rights and an abuse of the commerce clause.

    You're defending an Obama law where the centerpiece is requiring the purchase of a product and your defense is that HE'S not serving a corporation? That makes no sense.
  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/02 21:38:47
    Heisenberg
    That's the thing. It's a federal law not a state law, and only Ron Paul would pull out the states rights card. States rights are only brought up whenever a federal isn't convenient for the conservatives. If the states want to all govern themselves, then we might as well become a continent of 50 separate nations.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/02 21:44:53
    Superman
    Hardly. I bring up states rights ALL THE TIME because no one seems to respect it anymore.

    Congress doesn't have the power in the commerce clause and is retricted in the 10th amendment from doing what they've done. Thats the Constitution.

    Try to understand why we are called the United State of America and not just America. The concept was to empower the individual states on most issues while a handful were reserved to the Federal government. This increases the possibility of liberty as I don't have to live under all the laws of another state. We can decide for ourselves in each state how to live.

    I get the sense that you don't have a foundational grasp of liberty and the creation of this nation or what the Constitution is for. The bottom line is that we do have states and they do govern themselves on a whole host of issues. Thats happening right now. People like Obama are trying to erode it and they are preying on the ignorance of people like you to empower the Federal government at the cost of the Constitution.

    If some state wants to create its own healthcare system thats great. But the Fed has zero business in it. Zero.
  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/02 21:54:33
    Heisenberg
    The fed has less business in women's wombs, gay people's relationships, and doing the Patriot Act than they do mandating universal health care. The Patriot Act is unconstitutional and should be shot down, but I don't hear any Republicans stating that because it was started under the Bush Administration.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/03 14:52:09
    Superman
    So what you're saying to me basically is that you want the government out of our lives when YOU want it out but via your ideology you want the government IN our lives when its ok with you? Thats a tad hypocritical.

    I completely agree that the Fed has no business in a womans womb on either side of the issue. I think Roe is bad law because it failed to take into account the deciding factor of the issue, are we dealing with one person or two. If we're dealing with one then it is a privacy issue. But if the fetus is its own life then it has protections too. They expressly stayed away from deciding when life begins. Since thats a fundamental human issue (note I said human and not religious) I think abortion restrictions should be set on a state by state basis thus allowing us to discuss and decide the question of when live begins.

    I don't believe that the government protects marriage as a right for anyone - straight or gay. I believe in marriage as a relationship between two people privately and not government empowered. So, I believe government recognition is secondary to the actual relationship. Again, I believe in states deciding what to recognize and not recognize. And in my own state I support gay marriage whole heartedly.

    A lot of people speak about the Pat Act as uncon...

    So what you're saying to me basically is that you want the government out of our lives when YOU want it out but via your ideology you want the government IN our lives when its ok with you? Thats a tad hypocritical.

    I completely agree that the Fed has no business in a womans womb on either side of the issue. I think Roe is bad law because it failed to take into account the deciding factor of the issue, are we dealing with one person or two. If we're dealing with one then it is a privacy issue. But if the fetus is its own life then it has protections too. They expressly stayed away from deciding when life begins. Since thats a fundamental human issue (note I said human and not religious) I think abortion restrictions should be set on a state by state basis thus allowing us to discuss and decide the question of when live begins.

    I don't believe that the government protects marriage as a right for anyone - straight or gay. I believe in marriage as a relationship between two people privately and not government empowered. So, I believe government recognition is secondary to the actual relationship. Again, I believe in states deciding what to recognize and not recognize. And in my own state I support gay marriage whole heartedly.

    A lot of people speak about the Pat Act as unconstitutional but other than the rhetoric I've never heard the legal argument against it. And further, while libs like to "blame Bush" for it they always seem to ignore the fact that Democrats voted for it and Obama has done nothing to attempt to repeal it. One would think a Constitutional lawyer would have made that a fight within the first few years of his Administration if it was such a horrible and unConstitutional bill. But for some reason Dems get a pass on it. I wonder why that is?

    So, to sum up I beleive in states deciding amongst themselves on a whole host of political issues. Though I am pro life I would have zero qualms about a pro choice California - no hostility at all toward it. But thats what our government should be about, protecting liberty among the states rather than dictating terms from the Federal government. Because it will never stop. Today its punishment if you don't buy health insurance, tomorrow its punishment if you buy the wrong food or the wrong car. Its the government dictating how I live my life and thats not how it should be. Anyone with issues that you have should be consistent enough to recognize that. Anyone who isn't is clearly biased by ideology.
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  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/03 21:56:24
    Heisenberg
    What I'm saying is that I want government out of our private lives, but I want them to regulate businesses more. I want services that have more teeth in them, and I want government to focus more on problems here on our own soil like education, infrastructure, unemployment, joblessness, and whatnot. I even want to have universal health care. All of these are more important to me than trying to Westernize the Middle East and police the world. Not every problem on Earth has an American solution.

    Libertarianism sounds sexy on paper, but it's not feasible in a country with 300 million people; especially when that nation is the breadbasket of the global economy. I do believe the government should legalize gay marriage and protect the rights and freedoms of homosexuals. Also, I do believe they should legalize prostitution, gambling, pot, and all the other drugs for that matter, regulate them, and tax the daylights out of them.

    I find it ironic how the conservatives want tax cuts and then complain about the federal deficit. They seem to think it's going to pay for itself. If it were up to me, everyone who made more than $400,000 a-year would pay 50% in income taxes. Basically, I would like the government to be compartmentalized and not have 80 agencies doing the same job. Not to mention a mixture of capitalism and socialism works best. I would like to have a government similar to that of Germany or one of the Scandinavian countries to put it in a nutshell.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/04 02:09:30
    Superman
    Exactly - your ideology dictates what the correct level of governmental interference is - like a far right winger. To be consistent you're either for government intrusion or you aren't. And while we can all agree on some minimum level of governmental oversite clearly punishment for noncompliance of product purchasing isn't among that minimum level. So you're for big government . . . just you're form of it. And hypocritically you criticize far righties for the same mindset.

    Actually libertarianism IS feasible in our system of government so long as the Fed doesn't intrude on states rights. Its OK for states to have different laws on the same issues. The PROBLEM is when left wingers and right wingers feel the need to use the federal government to force their ends on all states.

    Your view on taxes isn't shocking given your view on the government as a punitive body for people who don't conform. You do know that even if you took all the money from the big bad evil 1% it wouldn't nearly cover a percentage of the deficit. To take care of the Federal budget you have to start with spending levels before you can set a reasonable needed income from taxes. As it stands people like you basically just don't like that some people are successful and you need to "even the field". You'd prefer to set up a heavier socialist form of government.
  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/04 02:17:38
    Heisenberg
    I'd prefer to set up a balanced government system that looks after everybody and not just the rich and large corporations. You seem to have this idea that everything we do to help out the poor and the working class is socialism, but helping out the rich is good for business even if it's at the expense of the poor and working class. I for one would much rather live in a socialist society than a plutocracy. There are many aspects of socialism and even communism that make perfect sense, but you'd never hear that on the news media or on FOX. Read Das Kapital sometime, and you'll understand what I mean.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/04 14:48:26
    Superman
    No, I don't particularly want to set up a government that "helps" anyone. I want a government that sets up a very basic safety net to assist people (rich and poor) when they are down for a period of time. But I want government out of our way the rest of the time. Both socially and fiscally. I'm not about helping the rich. They are fine. But I'm not for setting up a situation the penalizes success in the attempt to "help" people for their entire lives. I think that doesn't breed success.

    There seems to be this mindset that if you are against things like federal healthcare that you are "for" the rich and "against" the poor and thats absurd and simplistic. Fact is, as I said, I have no problem with individual states setting up their own systems as they see fit. Thats the level of government I feel comfortable with because its decided on by a smaller group of people in the interests of the people in that region. Smaller solutions can better fit specific issues that may not be a problem elsewhere.

    Federalizing everything to fix perceived problems is like using a cannon to kill a fly.
  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/04 17:21:53
    Heisenberg
    Well if you don't want the government to "help" anyone, then they definitely should stop giving corporate handouts and bailouts. It sounds like you have zero compassion just like the rest of the conservatives. If individual states govern themselves, then they might as well secede from the Union. The government should be about helping people. That's what civil rights and freedom are all about.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/04 17:36:03
    Superman
    I'm fine reducing corporate handouts for successful businesses. Remember, I said I'm in favor of safety nets for individuals so to be consistent that means some form of bailouts are favorable.

    It sounds like I have zero compassion? Thats the hyperbolic rhetoric of someone not listening. I said that I support safety nets for people in need. The only thing is that I expect at some point for people to get back on their feet and on the regular be self sufficient. Maybe responsibility scares you, I don't know. But I know that wanting to help people in need isn't the definition of "zero compassion".

    You have no clue what you are talking about. The fact that we have a UNION is because our 50 states are individual governments united together. They are supposed to have a level of autonomy.

    Punishing someone for nonpurchase isn't freedom and it isn't even helping anyone. But thats what you defend because your ideal of a leader told you too.
  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/04 17:42:25
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/04 19:24:05
    Superman
    Oh no, thats where you are wrong. They ANSWER to the Constitution. If the Constitution protects a particular thing then the states have to answer if they interrupt that protection. But states should have much more power and have little involvement from the Fed. I don't like the mindset that the Federal goverment is the final answer on everything because its not. In fact the Constitution specifically reserves most power for the states.

    I also disagree that poor people are poor not out of choice 9 times out of ten. At best I think it may be 50/50. Circumstances do drive issues of course. But I really do think you underestimate the laziness and lack of will for education.

    Clearly you only tune in to snippets of what someone says and then pigeonhole them. Romney said that he doesn't care about the poor because there are existing safety nets and if need be they can be reworked to offer better assistance. He ALSO doesn't care about the rich - they are doing fine. He said his focus is on the vast middle class - and that includes from the lower income version to the higher income version. People that want to work and who want to be responsible and better their situation.

    Next time listen to the whole statement. I'm not going to trust the opinion of someone so biased that they fa...

    Oh no, thats where you are wrong. They ANSWER to the Constitution. If the Constitution protects a particular thing then the states have to answer if they interrupt that protection. But states should have much more power and have little involvement from the Fed. I don't like the mindset that the Federal goverment is the final answer on everything because its not. In fact the Constitution specifically reserves most power for the states.

    I also disagree that poor people are poor not out of choice 9 times out of ten. At best I think it may be 50/50. Circumstances do drive issues of course. But I really do think you underestimate the laziness and lack of will for education.

    Clearly you only tune in to snippets of what someone says and then pigeonhole them. Romney said that he doesn't care about the poor because there are existing safety nets and if need be they can be reworked to offer better assistance. He ALSO doesn't care about the rich - they are doing fine. He said his focus is on the vast middle class - and that includes from the lower income version to the higher income version. People that want to work and who want to be responsible and better their situation.

    Next time listen to the whole statement. I'm not going to trust the opinion of someone so biased that they fail to remark on the full context of a soundbite.

    Bottom line is that the only reason anyone every gives to vote against Romney is that he has money, which isn't a crime no matter how much you try and make it one. Romney is the best option for this nation and its voters - poor/middle class/rich.
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  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/04 19:29:30
    Heisenberg
    I'm not biased at all. I've studied this diligently. The fact is it's much harder to get out of poverty than you think. Romney doesn't care about the poor and he's complacent just like all the other conservatives because he has no idea what it's like to be poor. He's a backseat driver just like the rest of them. I'm sorry you think I'm biased whenever I'm being honest. The truth hurts sometimes, but it's the simple truth.

    It's much harder to get an education when you're from the lower rungs of society and the schools aren't as good. Let's not forget that going to college costs a fortune. That's why the majority of people you see in the military are poor. They not only are trying to get the money to go to college, but for a good percentage of them that'll be the only opportunity they'll ever have.
  • Superman Heisenberg 2012/04/04 19:43:39 (edited)
    Superman
    That should be a local issue though. The government is too broad a brush to fix local school issues. Problems with local schools should fall to leaders on a state level. It would much better serve the region the problem exists in.

    Cost is a big deal. Costs for college, cost for healthcare. But no one ever talks about addressing the costs of those issues. Maybe instead of trying to fix the problem with punative taxes and massive and cumbersome spending projects government, at the state and federal level, should address what drives up the costs. Why are public universities in particular so expensive for students? Schools with state and federal funding and a number of schools that derive a great deal of money from college athletics. Why are rich people the problem in that equation and why aren't we looking at the system and the costs FIRST? Why is the first reaction "lets find a way for the government to pay for it?"

    If people first addressed the costs of issues like that I'd have a much easier time discussing programs to assist people who need help improving their lives. I'm all for educational assistance actually, and even from a Federal aspect. What I'm not a fan of is just pissing the money away without reforming the system as a whole or scape goating all economic issues ...



    That should be a local issue though. The government is too broad a brush to fix local school issues. Problems with local schools should fall to leaders on a state level. It would much better serve the region the problem exists in.

    Cost is a big deal. Costs for college, cost for healthcare. But no one ever talks about addressing the costs of those issues. Maybe instead of trying to fix the problem with punative taxes and massive and cumbersome spending projects government, at the state and federal level, should address what drives up the costs. Why are public universities in particular so expensive for students? Schools with state and federal funding and a number of schools that derive a great deal of money from college athletics. Why are rich people the problem in that equation and why aren't we looking at the system and the costs FIRST? Why is the first reaction "lets find a way for the government to pay for it?"

    If people first addressed the costs of issues like that I'd have a much easier time discussing programs to assist people who need help improving their lives. I'm all for educational assistance actually, and even from a Federal aspect. What I'm not a fan of is just pissing the money away without reforming the system as a whole or scape goating all economic issues as the fault of rich people.

    And again, I'll always argue that most problems can be fixed from the local level. Reduce federal taxes across the board and let states decide if they need to increase taxes to better serve their voters and let them pass the bills that suit them.

    You may think you're being honest and you're probably giving your honest opinion - but it doesn't mean the honest opinion isn't biased. And it certainly can mean that the opinion lacks a comprehensive view.
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  • Heisenberg Superman 2012/04/04 21:03:31
    Heisenberg
    That should be a local issue, but it isn't. That's when the federal government needs to step and start things moving when the local and state governments can't deliver. Trickle down government to me is much more sensible than trickle down economics. If it were up to me, we'd have anywhere from 88 to 100 states that form regions. We should have 13 regions that form our federal government and create a buffer zone, but that's just me. I also agree that budgets should be balanced.

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