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Before 1960 The Republican party had 90% of the black vote. What happened? what did the Republican Party do to lose it?

BlackSouth 2012/07/13 18:30:04
All I hear nowadays is how over 90% blacks vote for Obama. It must be because he is black. or it must be how they want "free stuff", handouts or welfare. First of all even Bill O'Reilly knows and have stated that " Everyone knows that there are more whites on welfare than blacks." ( It must be true because it came from Fox News. The only News Network that is fair and balanced.) but I digress. It is also a fact that from before the Emancipation proclamation that 90% of blacks voted Republican and the Republican party continued to have their support up until the 1960's. What I want to know is what did the Republican party do to loses 90% of the black vote? I would love to have a conservative view on this, but all views are welcome.
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  • MidnightCowboy 2012/07/13 18:48:47
    MidnightCowboy
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    I will be happy to explain. The shift of the Black vote to the Democratic Party began in 1964 when Barry Goldwater, then running for President, voted against the Civil Rights Act.

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  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/13 23:31:13
    jackolantyrn356
    Rhe Blacks made a Marxist Break fir their Ol' Slave Massas who lied to them and gave money so they would never have to work again
  • BlackSouth jackola... 2012/07/14 07:35:26
    BlackSouth
    +1
    They got tired of the Republican lies. That's why 90% of the black vote jumped from the Republicans who were selling them out in the first place.
  • Tennessee3501 2012/07/13 23:17:50 (edited)
    Tennessee3501
    Your statistic is wong. It was during the Depresion that FDR cemented the black vote. The seeds were sewn, however, after the election of 1876 when no candidate could win a majority of the electoral college votes. The election was thrown into the House of Representatives and the Republicans sold out. In return for southern votes for Republican Rutherford B. Hayes, the Republicans agreed to pull all nothern troops out of the south and end reconstruction. They abandoned the African Americans they had vowed to protect. Discrimination in the south became the norm until the Civil Rights movement. The political tide really turned for economic reasons during FDR's first term!
  • mich52 2012/07/13 22:01:22
    mich52
    +1
    To keep it simple in the fight over Civil Rights in the 60's the Conservatives lost and all the racist and states rights people left the Democratic party for the GOP.
  • BlackSouth mich52 2012/07/13 22:12:16
    BlackSouth
    +1
    I know that. but Republicans aren't racist are they? I even see Republicans explaining that to me on this thread, and in the same breath accuse today's Democrats as being racist and running a "Plantation." Silly Rabbits. What we need is a real Frederick Douglass type Republicans and not these watered down,...let me stop.
  • mich52 BlackSouth 2012/07/13 22:22:25
    mich52
    +1
    Not all of anyone group is racist.. If you look at all the main hate groups in America I think most claim to be Christian Conservative for the most part.. You're right about the Repubs. calling Dems racist that's as stupid as saying all Repubs. are.. The parties today are just a mess...
  • Nimitz 2012/07/13 21:11:52
    Nimitz
    Democrats paid more for their votes.
  • Cal 2012/07/13 20:16:15
    Cal
    I don't know...but apparently it was a bad move on their part. Look where it's gotten them.....yup.......
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:26:35
    BlackSouth
    +1
    which is better the frying pan or the fire?
  • Cal BlackSouth 2012/07/13 20:27:40
    Cal
    Neither. They should have taken the smarter way out. When the house on fire...leave the house.
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:29:24
    BlackSouth
    +1
    and go where?
  • Cal BlackSouth 2012/07/13 20:32:21
    Cal
    Anywhere their hearts desired? This is a political analogy. They had many options. You can defend the liberals if you want...but they've been no friend to the black community. That's obvious. I'm not much interested in debating the obvious either.
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:35:04
    BlackSouth
    +2
    I am a conservative and what I am trying to do is get answer as to what Republicans can do to court the black vote except the same song and dance about them being ignorant, and want to live off the government tit. There are more whites on welfare than black.
  • Cal BlackSouth 2012/07/13 20:38:46 (edited)
    Cal
    Conservatives support rights and less government. We want to wean people off welfare and raise our economy. Conservatives support the military. The conservatives have given more to the black community than the liberals ever have. The KKK for example is often used against the GOP.....the KKK was developed as an arm of the democratic party and ran by democrats. Besides where in liberalism does the black community gain anything from?

    It's really easy to see really.
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:49:21
    BlackSouth
    +3
    So what your saying is that history is wrong about the Republicans selling blacks out to the southern democrats in the compromise of 1877? that was might nice of them. it's really easy to see.
  • Cal BlackSouth 2012/07/13 20:51:09 (edited)
    Cal
    I'm saying your obviously looking for an argument, I'm obviously not interested, and I'm obviously not about to baited by you. Have a good one.
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:58:51
    BlackSouth
    +2
    I am looking for answers.. I have i no way disrespected you. Thank you and have a good one also.
  • SunShine Cal 2012/07/14 19:51:25
    SunShine
    that is correct.. the KKK hated the Republicans
  • BlackSouth SunShine 2012/07/14 23:16:42
    BlackSouth
    +2
    You still haven't answered the question as to how the Republican party lost 90% of the black vote. You keep telling me what the Democratic party did. You see this is the same song and dance that the Republicans are doing now. They are quick to say what others have done or doing to deflect the question from themselves.
  • BlackSai Cal 2012/11/05 22:56:50
    BlackSai
    +3
    Actually, the tea party tried to get David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK, to run for office. Coincidence ????
  • SunShine BlackSouth 2012/07/14 06:07:20
    SunShine
    Have you thought about that statement??? really.. there are more white than blacks on welfare.. duh.. blacks represent only 12% of our population..so of course there are more whites on welfare, not on welfare, working, not working, you name it.. there are more whites.. how silly.
  • BlackSouth SunShine 2012/07/14 07:41:19 (edited)
    BlackSouth
    +1
    Yay Thank you for reminding me. So why is it when welfare is spoken about that it is insinuated that it is all about black people? Just a straight answer please.
  • SunShine BlackSouth 2012/07/14 15:08:01 (edited)
    SunShine
    the percentage of blacks on welfare is much higher, that is why..gosh, are you that simple?
  • BlackSouth SunShine 2012/07/14 16:00:38
    BlackSouth
    There percent is higher. I don't dispute that. but in sheer number there is more whites on welfare which was point that I was making.. Are you that simple.
  • SunShine BlackSouth 2012/07/14 16:38:44
    SunShine
    obviously you aren't intelligent enough to realize that that has no bearing on anything.. it has no meaning because there are simply more whites.. get a grip..think for a minute if you can.. just try hard.
  • BlackSouth SunShine 2012/07/14 16:55:57
    BlackSouth
    +2
    I love it when someone has a different opinion they must be unintelligent. Simply more whites mean more white on welfare there are no two ways around it. Just try hard to wrap your mind around the fact that you are saying the same thing as I. marinate on that Smart lady.
  • SunShine BlackSouth 2012/07/14 19:54:02
    SunShine
    please pay attention for a minute..it is nothing NOTHING to do with an opinion.. we are talking about FACTS.. there are no YOUR FACTS AND MY FACTS.. ONLY FACTS.. try hard to wrap your mind around that.. FOR crying out loud are you daft??
    If there are only 12% blacks in this country (assume no other races) then there are 88% whites.. so naturally there are many more people that are white on welfare but as a percentage of the black population .. there are nearly twice as many blacks on welfare as whites.. You can research the figures if you like...it is correct. No.. we don't agree..what you are saying is an obvious conclusion.. you could apply it to anything.. there are more whites driving cars.. there are more whites who smoke.. there are more whites who drink, more whites who go to university.. it doesn't matter what you say.. there are more whites.. the only thing that is intelligent is to say " although there are more whites on welfare in the US the percentage of blacks on welfare is double that of whites." Now.. there is the FACT and I am done arguing with you.
  • *Mahoga... SunShine 2012/07/16 03:47:49
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    According to the US Census Bureau, 68.1% of all Black men and 62.3% of Black women over the age of 16 are in the civilian labor force, compared to 73% of white men, and 59.9% of white women. With racial discrimination and other challenges, more of us are still working than sitting at home.
    While the majority of poor people in America are Black, the majority of Black people are NOT poor. Of the 33.7 million Blacks in this nation, 8.1 million have incomes below the poverty line.

    Out of that 8.1 million who live below the poverty line work. Now let's go to welfare:


    >>The number of Medicaid recipients has surged in recent years because of high unemployment and a weak economy, but the majority of recipients are white. Nationally, 43 percent of those who received Medicaid in 2009-2010 were non-elderly white Americans, compared to Hispanics, who comprised 28 percent Hispanics and blacks at 22 percent. African-Americans make up only about 12 percent of the total population.<<


    >>SS is bankrupt and is now the nations leading welfare: The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is...<<

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    According to the US Census Bureau, 68.1% of all Black men and 62.3% of Black women over the age of 16 are in the civilian labor force, compared to 73% of white men, and 59.9% of white women. With racial discrimination and other challenges, more of us are still working than sitting at home.
    While the majority of poor people in America are Black, the majority of Black people are NOT poor. Of the 33.7 million Blacks in this nation, 8.1 million have incomes below the poverty line.

    Out of that 8.1 million who live below the poverty line work. Now let's go to welfare:


    >>The number of Medicaid recipients has surged in recent years because of high unemployment and a weak economy, but the majority of recipients are white. Nationally, 43 percent of those who received Medicaid in 2009-2010 were non-elderly white Americans, compared to Hispanics, who comprised 28 percent Hispanics and blacks at 22 percent. African-Americans make up only about 12 percent of the total population.<<


    >>SS is bankrupt and is now the nations leading welfare: The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time.<<

    >>>Among the poorest of the poor--single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients.<<<

    >>Turning welfare reform into a "Black issue" makes racial scapegoating easy and allows stereotypes, like the Reaganera "welfare queen," to go unchallenged, public aid supporters say. Rightwing reformers cast Whites as "deserving" clients who are legitimately unable to pay their own way through no fault of their own. Blacks are labeled "undeserving" recipients who are looking for the feds to subsidize their slothfulness.<<

    Erroneous stereotypes don’t present the truth, tell the real story about public assistance clients: Some 61 percent of welfare recipients are White, while 33 percent are Black.

    Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn't collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population. They say the imbalance proves their case that Blacks are too busy complaining and blaming racism for their plight to look for a job.


    In addition Black Americans are now 14.2% of the population and those stats are pretty much the same. He is right; making welfare a Black issue when it is such a small percentage out of 42 million is distorting the facts.
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  • SunShine *Mahoga... 2012/11/06 06:35:20
    SunShine
    actually I don't remember talking with you..however, being as you voiced your opinion about a lot of things we were not discussing.. thank you.
    Now.. the person I WAS talking to.. brought up a statment that there are many more whites on welfare than blacks.. but that is an irrational statement.. as I tried to point out to him .. there are more whites drive cars.. more whites in school more whites that travel and so on.. simply .. there are more whites.. so to make it mean anything.. you have to make a comparison.. that is what I did.. there ARE nearly twice the percentage of blacks on welfare as whites. That is it.. and it is a fact.. I did not say it was a white issue or black issue.. I was simply making his statement meaningful.
  • BlackSouth SunShine 2012/11/06 06:56:04 (edited)
    BlackSouth


    The math is so simple. Using your logic. Take the total number of the us population and deduct 12 percent from that. That is the Black population
    The calculate 38% from that and that will be the number of blacks on welfare.

    Do the same with the much larger number that represents whites the 88%. and deduct 37 percent from that. Then I want you to compare and tell me which is the larger of the two. As of mid 2011 the total US Population was 311,800,000. There is your base whole number please do the math and post it.
    Smart Lady. Please prove me wrong.
    Yes it is a fact percentage wise that there are more blacks on welfare, but only in percentages. Blacks make up 12-15 percent of the total US population Whites circa 72% There are far, far more whites as blacks. As of the 2010 census there was 38 % blacks on welfare and 37 %whites on welfare. That's a lot of black people on welfare, but if you look at the numbers behind the percentages you will see that there are a much larger number of whites on welfare. not percentages. Whole numbers actual numbers.Now I am going to smash another myth for you. Most welfare recipients don't vote Democratic. They vote Republican. You see the poor states, the states that receive the most welfare are red states. States that vote overwhelmingly Republican...









    The math is so simple. Using your logic. Take the total number of the us population and deduct 12 percent from that. That is the Black population
    The calculate 38% from that and that will be the number of blacks on welfare.

    Do the same with the much larger number that represents whites the 88%. and deduct 37 percent from that. Then I want you to compare and tell me which is the larger of the two. As of mid 2011 the total US Population was 311,800,000. There is your base whole number please do the math and post it.
    Smart Lady. Please prove me wrong.
    Yes it is a fact percentage wise that there are more blacks on welfare, but only in percentages. Blacks make up 12-15 percent of the total US population Whites circa 72% There are far, far more whites as blacks. As of the 2010 census there was 38 % blacks on welfare and 37 %whites on welfare. That's a lot of black people on welfare, but if you look at the numbers behind the percentages you will see that there are a much larger number of whites on welfare. not percentages. Whole numbers actual numbers.Now I am going to smash another myth for you. Most welfare recipients don't vote Democratic. They vote Republican. You see the poor states, the states that receive the most welfare are red states. States that vote overwhelmingly Republican.Red States take the cake at being the welfare queens. According to the findings, “seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008 according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. They include Republican strongholds like King County, Texas, which in 2008 backed Republican John McCain by 92.6 percent, his largest share in the nation; and fast-growing Douglas County, Colorado.”

    Douglas County Republican Party’s Mark Baisley thinks that the republican voter will be on Mitt Romney’s side, even though they are largely the majority of the ’47%’ that Mitt seems to want to scrape off his shoe like dog droppings. Mr. Nicholas Colas, chief market strategist at ConvergEx Group LLC thinks President Obama will command the more [risk averse] educated voter who takes the less risky and longer road to success.

    Romney had [unintelligently] suggested transferring control of food stamps and other federal programs to states but that would just end in disaster when nature unfurls her fury on states; like we saw happen with Hurricane Sandy last week and with Hurricane Katrina before. The states hit by disaster do not have the capability to deal with these programs while they are reeling from natural or other disasters, this would mean families would starve for weeks or months if this were to happen.

    With that lack of intelligent thinking on the part of Romney, it is pretty scary to think that a 1%er will make compassionate decisions where the 47% are concerned.

    Maybe it will do the country good to have so many peoples eyes opened at once when Mitt Romney pulls the welfare rug from under so many people that voted for him. That's what I would call "chickens come home to roost."
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  • BlackSai SunShine 2012/11/05 23:06:46
    BlackSai
    based on you statistics .... What is your conclusion concerning black people?
  • BlackSai SunShine 2012/11/05 23:03:57
    BlackSai
    +2
    why are you offensive and abrasive... is this what conservative republicans have to offer?
  • BlackSouth SunShine 2012/07/14 16:04:16
    BlackSouth
    +1
    The percentage yes. I never disputed or said otherwise. I did however say that there are more whites than blacks on welfare.Sucking of the tit of society. Nothing is ever said about them.
  • BlackSai SunShine 2012/11/05 23:02:55
    BlackSai
    +3
    yes, that is true. well , with Jim Crowe laws and myraid of injustices against people of color, not giving the same opportunities. Yes, there would be.
  • BlackSai SunShine 2012/11/05 22:59:36
    BlackSai
    +1
    duh ???? What is up with that. This man is a conservative as am I and your insulting him. WOW.
  • SunShine BlackSai 2012/11/06 06:37:01
    SunShine
    I am not insulting him.. I am trying very hard to "reach" him.. he doesn't understand a simple concept.
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:36:10 (edited)
    BlackSouth
    +1
    Republicans should just tell the truth and say " we can't offer you anything better."
  • Cal BlackSouth 2012/07/13 20:39:43
    Cal
    +1
    That would be lie.
  • BlackSouth Cal 2012/07/13 20:49:56
    BlackSouth
    +2
    So what have they offered except outsourcing jobs to better their bottom line?
  • SunShine BlackSouth 2012/07/14 06:08:22
    SunShine
    right now all the progressives offer is communism.. how's that for hope and change?

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