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Australian Women Face Jail Time for Refusing to Remove Veils: Appropriate or Too Extreme?

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New South Wales, Australia is debating a law that would require Muslim women to remove veils and show their faces to police on request, or risk a prison sentence.

Under the law proposed by the government of New South Wales, a woman who defies police by refusing to remove her face veil could be sentenced to a year in prison and fined 5,500 Australian dollars (Dh21,670).

Critics say the bill smacks of anti-Muslim bias given how few women in Australia wear burqas.


The Daily Telegraph newspaper called the proposal "the world's toughest burqa laws."

In France, wearing a burqa in public is punishable by a €150 (Dh800) fine, but no jail time.

However, proponents of the law say that it is reasonable as public security requires that people be identifiable.

The state premier, Barry O'Farrell, said in a statement: "I don't care whether a person is wearing a motorcycle helmet, a burqa, niqab, face veil or anything else - the police should be allowed to require those people to make their identification clear."

What do you think? Does jail time for refusing to remove a face veil seem appropriate or too extreme?

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  • ed 2011/07/11 01:03:19
    Appropriate
    ed
    +32
    every muslim man or woman needs to realize that they are in someone else's country and they also need to fully understand that they go by their laws and rules and the same goes for those living in a muslim country end of discusion

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  • seathanaich 2011/08/26 22:06:48
    Appropriate
    seathanaich
    +2
    Appropriate. Your face is your identity.
  • Ray the Dog! 2011/08/08 22:20:19
    Appropriate
    Ray the Dog!
    +2
    If they really want to live in some 'dark ages' society let them go and live in such.If they want to live in OUR society, let them conform to the norms of THAT-if not let them return from whence they came.They can't have it BOTH ways. society live live society conform norms that-if return ways backward races
  • ZB 2011/07/24 07:21:26
    Too Extreme
    ZB
    I would think that a hefty fine should be enough. Jail is for real crimes.
  • al 2011/07/16 23:46:55
    Too Extreme
    al
    if these women choose to be held back by this foolishness so be it, their loss.
  • thegaln... al 2012/07/20 06:28:26
    thegalnextdoor
    Sharia Law doesn't give a woman many freedoms... she's quite the slave....but this woman seemed to want to wear it.. as long as her face was visible... and it could be proven she wasn't hiding a bomb.... see the safety point for the rest of society???
  • Luxxie 2011/07/16 06:30:57
    Too Extreme
    Luxxie
    come on this is absurd, fine is ok but jail time for "wearing burqas" seriously ? this is ludicrous, the law is a joke sometimes
  • yeahbutno Luxxie 2011/07/16 15:56:51
    yeahbutno
    +3
    Geeze. Get it straight. There's nothing "absurd" about it. The penalty is NOT for "wearing burqas". It's for disobeying a directive from a police officer to reveal your identity - whether a full face helment, balaclava, niqab or blimmin' halloween mask, you must comply. That's all. It's simple. It's not about Muslim women, it's they are the only ones who have had a sort of exemption from the law. Not any more.

    I wonder if you'd disagree if, you were being mugged by a masked man and got your arse saved when he was dragged off you by police, but then he had the right not to to reveal his ID to police throughout the arrest. Then when he stood in court, claimed it was a different person they'd caught and charged. And got off. Great. Good idea huh? Let everyone keep their faces hidden from police. Real smart. Now that's what I'd call absurd.

    It's pretty much what happened in the case that brought this about. Sure, it wasn't a violent crime the disguised woman committed, but the law must be applied equally for all. Always. No "joke". Not even sometimes. Is that "ludicrous"?
  • Jossy 2011/07/15 00:37:49
    Too Extreme
    Jossy
    +1
    well if the police need to identify them then they should remove it just to let them see their face to make an identification but i dont think a year in prison is right...maybe just a fine ...but thats only if the police NEED to make an identification for a good reason..
  • Colbert 2011/07/14 23:35:05
    Too Extreme
    Colbert
    Appropriate. If you don't want to be a slut, don't live in a slut country.
  • yeahbutno 2011/07/13 20:32:18 (edited)
    Appropriate
    yeahbutno
    +4
    The whole story is far more complicated and one woman has actually brought about the law proposal by her actions, forcing stricter adherence by all, so now other Muslim women are rightfully miffed at her.

    She lied about an incident, plain and simple. She accused a police officer of ripping off her veil and brought a complaint against him. Stupid woman, didn't figure on the video being shot from the police car. The officer was incredibly patient and fair, and at no time impolite. She on the other hand was gibbering loud abuse at him, and got away with storming off without ever revealing her identity, as any other citizen would be required to do. Every detail recorded. No bones about it.

    Now, the real irony is, that would have been the end of it, but she then brought the false complaint presumably as payback for the traffic ticket he issued, and was charged after the video was reviewed for evidence. They brought in the strict enforcement amendment to the law because she then had the utter hide to claim in court that she could not be sentenced for filing false complaint againt the police officer - even though the video showed she was lying - because nobody could prove it was her that made the complaint !!! EXACTLY! THAT was the problem.

    So, after being abusive, disobeying a...





    The whole story is far more complicated and one woman has actually brought about the law proposal by her actions, forcing stricter adherence by all, so now other Muslim women are rightfully miffed at her.

    She lied about an incident, plain and simple. She accused a police officer of ripping off her veil and brought a complaint against him. Stupid woman, didn't figure on the video being shot from the police car. The officer was incredibly patient and fair, and at no time impolite. She on the other hand was gibbering loud abuse at him, and got away with storming off without ever revealing her identity, as any other citizen would be required to do. Every detail recorded. No bones about it.

    Now, the real irony is, that would have been the end of it, but she then brought the false complaint presumably as payback for the traffic ticket he issued, and was charged after the video was reviewed for evidence. They brought in the strict enforcement amendment to the law because she then had the utter hide to claim in court that she could not be sentenced for filing false complaint againt the police officer - even though the video showed she was lying - because nobody could prove it was her that made the complaint !!! EXACTLY! THAT was the problem.

    So, after being abusive, disobeying an officer, lying and bringing false allegations - she walked away scott free. Even the judge who had to drop the sentence called her actions malicious and ruthless. No wonder everyone screamed for stronger terms in the law. It's what the people demanded, not some arbitary government decision, and certainly not based on intolerance or anti-Muslim sentiment. It's only fair. NO exceptions - religious or not. Equal is equal. For all.

    Even Muslim women I know, although none wear full burqa or niqab, and only a couple hijab, now are in favour of pushing the law, whereas before they were defending the right to complete coverage, understanding the sensitivity of it. They say it's not worth the extra mistrust and alienation that a case like this can bring against them, with or without a veil. Gotta agree.

    This woman in this one incident has managed to bring the whole issue into sharp focus for the country and brought her own religion, that she was so hysterically intent on protecting, into disrepute. Pity she didn't also have strong beliefs about lying, disrespecting the law and going off like a spoilt selfish twat. I hope she's pleased with herself. Loser.

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  • thegaln... yeahbutno 2012/07/20 06:31:52
    thegalnextdoor
    ...agree..... but it's quite okay to lie to the infidel (non-Muslim).....
  • Lirr Thropp 2011/07/13 02:41:18
  • Sailor ... Lirr Th... 2011/07/16 03:20:23
  • scbluesman13 2011/07/12 20:21:28
    Too Extreme
    scbluesman13
    +2
    The purpose of the law seems reasonable, but the maximum sentence for refusal to comply seems a bit harsh.
  • thegaln... scblues... 2011/07/13 18:29:14
    thegalnextdoor
    +3
    I THINK the reason for the harsh punishment is because some men are donning burkas to commit crimes knowing that they won't be required to reveal who they are.... like I said, I believe that is the issue but I may be wrong.
  • Incognito4Now 2011/07/12 18:24:26
    Appropriate
    Incognito4Now
    +4
    of course APPROPRIATE! you want to live in Austrilia, FOLLOW IT'S LAWS OR GO TO PRISON!
  • mattric... Incogni... 2011/07/18 03:01:29
    mattrickswayeasy
    +7
    do you know that this is what islam says - obey the laws of the land you live in...

    LEXI METHERELL: Jamila Hussain teaches a course in Sharia law at the University of Technology Sydney. She says under Islamic law a woman is required to remove her niqab to be identified if asked by a police officer.

    JAMILA HUSSAIN: If you live outside an Islamic country, then you have to obey the law of the land. And if the law of the land says that you need to remove your face veil for identification, then you should do so. And you really have no excuse for not doing so.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/cont...
  • shlyeblade 2011/07/12 17:28:19
    Too Extreme
    shlyeblade
    I really don't get y they had to have them Veils on their faces. Why can't they be like us, show their faces. Y let the guys have everything in the world, The girls have to have a opinion in somethings. HEY GIRLS, WE HAVE TO TELL THE GUYS WE HAVE RIGHTS TO!!! WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN THE BOYS DO, COME ON SHOW THE WORLD WHO U ARE!!!!!!
  • Selketskiss 2011/07/12 16:33:45
    Appropriate
    Selketskiss
    +5
    It is a matter of knowing who you really are, it is called identification and everyone has to comply why should they be treated differently..
  • Ben 2011/07/12 14:51:59
    Appropriate
    Ben
    +6
    I happen to agree with this and applaud Australia's government for being so openely against radical islamic beliefs while the rest of us are afraid of offending the muslim "Religion"
  • DrCowbo... Ben 2011/07/14 20:35:21
    DrCowboyFace
    I'm pretty sure if over a BILLION people believe something (ridiculous as it is) is should qualify as a religion. Tard bag.
  • Ben DrCowbo... 2011/07/15 00:48:24
    Ben
    +3
    What I was merely saying is that without the title of Religion the largely radical beliefs of a majority of Islamic believers (mainly in regards to Sharia law and the convert or kill ideals many have) Islam would never be accepted in the modern world. So before you go and blow a gasket I would recommend some time thinking before mouthing off.
  • DrCowbo... Ben 2011/07/15 02:43:51
    DrCowboyFace
    Isn't Christianity pretty much the same thing?
  • Ben DrCowbo... 2011/07/15 13:30:09
    Ben
    +5
    No it's not the difference is that God gives you the choice to accept his love. Christianity is all about love and self sacrifice, it says so in the Bible.
  • DrCowbo... Ben 2011/07/16 00:44:00
    DrCowboyFace
    It also says to stone gays, to not let women to teach you things, that if you're not a hardcore Christian then you will experience eternal death, and what about the Crusades?
  • Sailor ... DrCowbo... 2011/07/16 03:24:07
    Sailor Dale
    +2
    You need to go back to school and educate yourself about what you are rambling on about!!!
    Study the crusades, learn what they REALLY were about!!!
  • Ben DrCowbo... 2011/07/16 19:51:15
    Ben
    +2
    "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." I Corinthians 13:13
    Do you know what the crusades were, they were corrupt clergymen, bishops, and the pope using the honest soldiers faith against them. They tricked people into believing that if they joined the Crusade they would be given amnesty for all the terrible things they have done. The corrupt
    hierarchy of the Catholic church at the time used the people by twisting the word of the bible to achieve their own agenda.
  • mattric... Ben 2011/07/18 03:10:43
    mattrickswayeasy
    +1
    BEN - THE CRUSADES SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE POLITICAL ELITE & CORRUPT CLERGY OF ISLAM OR CIA - Mi5 MASQUARADING AS IMAMS ETC ARE USING MUSLIMS RELIGION AGAINST THEM... EG-NO 70 VIRGINS MENTIONED IN THE KORAN AT ALL...
    PLEASE LEARN ISLAM 1ST THEN COMMENT...
  • Israel DrCowbo... 2011/07/20 11:03:54
    Israel
    +1
    No it does not and they are not stoned. And women do teach, as there are some christian faiths that women do a lot of teaching. And again, there is no Hell! Hades does not mean hell!
  • DrCowbo... Israel 2011/07/28 04:24:18
    DrCowboyFace
    So the lake of fire... is a lake of second-chances...
  • Israel DrCowbo... 2011/07/28 05:45:43
    Israel
    +2
    The lake of fire is symbolic. It means that when God reserrects the righteous and unrighteous, (bible) when he finally takes over and makes the earth a paradise again doing away with false religion and governments, the devil will be abyssed for a thousand years, so there is no temptaion. You will be given the opportunity to learn about God, and if you refuse and are bad, then you die, no hope for etenal life on a paradise earth, and this death is the lake of fire, e.g. permanent death.
  • DrCowbo... Israel 2011/07/29 04:23:16
    DrCowboyFace
    Hey, if God knows every person's outcome, why doesn't he just sent the good people's souls to Heaven right from the get-go?
  • Israel DrCowbo... 2011/07/29 07:17:42
    Israel
    +1
    Because then there would be no point in making the earth a paradise again for humans to live on in peace, as is his plan. If we all to go heaven, what is the point then?
  • DrCowbo... Israel 2011/08/04 19:29:01
  • thegaln... DrCowbo... 2012/07/20 06:36:16
    thegalnextdoor
    +1
    Because He uses people who love Him to share the His love for others who may not otherwise listen to Him. We are told to work for Him until He comes back for us.
  • Israel DrCowbo... 2012/07/20 07:48:09
    Israel
    People's souls do not go to heaven. That is a false catholic teaching.
  • jean DrCowbo... 2011/09/08 06:19:03
    jean
    +3
    Christianity does not say to stone gays(that is in the Mitzvot- 613 laws given to Hebrews for Hebrews in a Theocracy.) Christianity does tell men to lead - especially in the family and in Church services. Just living actually teaches eve without saying a word. Life teaches. The context of the verse was in a church service.
  • mattric... Ben 2011/07/18 03:06:27
    mattrickswayeasy
    +4
    BEN - I REPEAT...
    THE BURQA / VEIL IS NOT ISLAMIC - IT IS CULTURAL... NEITHER IS CONVERT OR KILL - SHARIA IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE KORAN NEITHER IS 70 VIRGINS ETC... THEN AGAIN IF YOU HAD READ IT, YOU WOULD KNOW...
    YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT ISLAM & IT SHOWS...
    UNFORTUNATELY YOU ADD TO THE MISCONCEPTION THAT MOST OZZIES ARE BIGOTED IGNORANT REDNECKS...
  • mattric... Ben 2011/07/18 03:04:10
    mattrickswayeasy
    +4
    THE BURQA / VEIL IS NOT ISLAMIC - IT IS CULTURAL...
    YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT ISLAM & IT SHOWS...
    UNFORTUNATELY YOU ADD TO THE MISCONCEPTION THAT MOST OZZIES ARE BIGOTED IGNORANT REDNECKS...
  • jean mattric... 2011/09/08 06:20:51
    jean
    +1
    It may be cultural but it is written into the Koran - which is cultural.
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