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POLITICO.COM reports:
ABC News has suggested that James Holmes -- the suspect in today's shooting in Aurora, Colorado -- may have a connection to the Tea Party. ABC's Brian Ross reported this morning that there is "a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site... talking about him joining the Tea Party last year." "Now, we...

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  • CHUCK 2012/07/26 02:40:15
    Disagree
    CHUCK
    JUST LIKE THE TRAYVON TAPES THAT WERE EDITED..
  • Moonage 2012/07/24 12:43:42
    Disagree
    Moonage
    Man, you are WAY behind. ABC already apologized for how wrong this story was.
  • AGPhillbin 2012/07/24 04:58:06
    Disagree
    AGPhillbin
    It has already been disproven, and announced on the media. It was a different Jim Holmes. "Jim" & "Holmes" are not exactly rare names.
  • TheBorg 2012/07/24 04:14:48 (edited)
    Agree
    TheBorg
    +1
    I cannot stand the hypocrisy of the Tea Party and love it when their radical belief in crony capitalism and corporate socialism is brought to light and laughed at for the absurdity that it is. However, attributing this atrocity to the Tea party is not only ridiculous, it is downright incompetence. By saying there "may have been a connection..." instead of actually investigating and reporting after the facts are known just shows you how rotten our so called "news" has become. ABC News has now sunk to the level of Fox News and the talking heads on the radio.
    rotten tomatoes
  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/27 09:38:39
    SoD
    "I cannot stand the hypocrisy of the Tea Party and love it when their radical belief in crony capitalism and corporate socialism is brought to light and laughed at for the absurdity that it is."

    You need to pay closer attention to what the Tea Party actually says than to what the news media says about the Tea Party.

    The Tea Party is adamantly opposed to Fascism, or crony capitalism as you call it.
  • TheBorg SoD 2012/07/27 22:58:28
  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/28 02:03:26
    SoD
    You're an idiot.
  • TheBorg SoD 2012/07/28 05:03:25
    TheBorg
    +2
    tea party

    tea party

    tea party

    tea party

    SoD, you rode the short bus to school didn't you.
    SoD
  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/28 05:55:35
    SoD
    The real-estate bubble was the result of central planners compelling banks to provide home loans to people who couldn't afford them.

    The BP spill was facilitated by Fascist central planners charged with regulating the project who in the months prior to the spill issued a safety award to the rig. We don't need more regulations, but rather we need regulators to stop lining their pockets with bribes. The scope of the spill was also exacerbated by central planners and a less than expeditious cleanup.

    You really think an $800 tax credit is significant? The only people who think of it as significant are those who don't technically pay any federal income taxes. To be eligible for the $800 tax credit you are referring to, a married couple must have filed jointly and had a combined AGI less than $75,000. That means my family didn't get any such tax credit, but rather we paid for it. Do you think any family earning more than $75k is rich and owes something to those who are less successful?

    A progressive tax code inherently means that the larger one's income is the larger percentage of it he pays in taxes. Regarding unemployment benefits, paying people for more than a year for not working is not a fruitful strategy, but rather a recipe for disaster. Much like the recent elimination of employment requirements for welfare recipients.

    You're still and idiot.
  • TheBorg SoD 2012/07/28 18:49:14 (edited)
    TheBorg
    +1
    The housing bubble and the recession was caused by unregulated derivatives. Banks would buy mortgages, combine the mortgages together and sell them (derivatives) without telling the buyer the risks. The bank initially making the load to the consumer didn't have any risk because however bad the loan was someone would buy it, therefore a lot of sleazy loans were written (unregulated market forces), The loan writer would sell the loan to other banks that would repackage them and sell them (usually to other banks) without informing the buyers of the risk. So with mortgages being so easy to get, home prices went up (artificially). So in the end, what happened is that all these banks had billions of extremely risky investments on their books and they didn't even know it because people who were selling these repackaged risky loans were also unknowingly buying them from other banks. In 1998, Brooksley Born warned a Republican congress 4 times about derivatives and their unregulated dark market.


    So the summary is, it is the anti-regulation rhetoric that caused the great recession by allowing securities to be bought and sold without having to disclose the risk of the investment.

    Your sheople belief that it was solely "central planners compelling banks to provide home loans to people...

    The housing bubble and the recession was caused by unregulated derivatives. Banks would buy mortgages, combine the mortgages together and sell them (derivatives) without telling the buyer the risks. The bank initially making the load to the consumer didn't have any risk because however bad the loan was someone would buy it, therefore a lot of sleazy loans were written (unregulated market forces), The loan writer would sell the loan to other banks that would repackage them and sell them (usually to other banks) without informing the buyers of the risk. So with mortgages being so easy to get, home prices went up (artificially). So in the end, what happened is that all these banks had billions of extremely risky investments on their books and they didn't even know it because people who were selling these repackaged risky loans were also unknowingly buying them from other banks. In 1998, Brooksley Born warned a Republican congress 4 times about derivatives and their unregulated dark market.


    So the summary is, it is the anti-regulation rhetoric that caused the great recession by allowing securities to be bought and sold without having to disclose the risk of the investment.

    Your sheople belief that it was solely "central planners compelling banks to provide home loans to people who couldn't afford them" is ridiculous. In fact, there was no need to compel banks to make risky loans because there was no risk to the bank making the loan, some other big bank would buy them regardless of the risk. Shows how retarded you are. Your other right winged talking points are just as ridiculously spun. I suggest you learn how to count past potato.

    potato
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  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/28 23:06:20
    SoD
    You've essentially expanded on my position regarding the housing crisis.

    The fact remains that creditors provided mortgages that they shouldn't have. Whether it was compulsion as a result of the Community Reinvestment Act or risk absorption by Freddy and Fannie is irrelevant. The result, home loans that shouldn't have existed, is the reason for the housing crisis.

    Freddie and Fannie have federal charters.
  • TheBorg SoD 2012/07/29 02:02:45
    TheBorg
    +1
    Unregulated oversight of the banking industry is the reason for the housing crisis and the recession. If there was proper regulation, those making the loans to the consumer would be the one's taking the risk. It is capitalism and market forces in action. Unfortunately crony Capitalism supported by both parties and especially the Tea party is what we currently have.
  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/29 04:05:51
    SoD
    Can you cite a single example of the Tea Party supporting fascism, or crony capitalism as you like to call it?
  • TheBorg SoD 2012/07/29 05:19:52
  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/29 05:39:47
    SoD
    If being supported by millionaires and billionaires characterizes a political advocacy group as Fascistic, then that's precisely what most political advocacy groups are.

    This includes Think Progress, Code Pink, OWS, and the Brady Campaign just to name a few.

    Keep reaching for those straws ;)
  • TheBorg SoD 2012/07/29 16:46:05 (edited)
  • SoD TheBorg 2012/07/30 14:10:09
    SoD
    "Will you admit that the Koch brothers fund the Tea Party?"

    All of the rallies I've been to have been funded from within. Frankly, I don't see why people are so bent about the Koch brothers supporting a political movement. The same people who are constantly shrieking about the Koch bothers don't seem to have an issue with high rollers funding progressive agendas.

    "Will you admit that the tax rate is the lowest it has been in decades?"

    The top marginal tax rate has been between 35% and 39% since 1986, that's high. Before that it was 50% or higher, that's too damned high.

    "Will you admit that the Tea Party is anti-union but Pro-ALEC (elitist union) by attacking working class unions but remaining silent on elite unions like ALEC?"

    The Tea Party opposes public service unions because they negotiate for higher wages without the employer, the tax payers, even being present. It's a money laundering scam between the democrat party and the public service unions. Private sector unions are corrupt as hell too, but at least the employer gets a seat at the table during negotiations.

    "Will you admit the Koch run Tea Party fights to continue to cut support for services that will get laid off workers retrained, get them back to work, that will feed their families, that will keep them in their homes ...





    "Will you admit that the Koch brothers fund the Tea Party?"

    All of the rallies I've been to have been funded from within. Frankly, I don't see why people are so bent about the Koch brothers supporting a political movement. The same people who are constantly shrieking about the Koch bothers don't seem to have an issue with high rollers funding progressive agendas.

    "Will you admit that the tax rate is the lowest it has been in decades?"

    The top marginal tax rate has been between 35% and 39% since 1986, that's high. Before that it was 50% or higher, that's too damned high.

    "Will you admit that the Tea Party is anti-union but Pro-ALEC (elitist union) by attacking working class unions but remaining silent on elite unions like ALEC?"

    The Tea Party opposes public service unions because they negotiate for higher wages without the employer, the tax payers, even being present. It's a money laundering scam between the democrat party and the public service unions. Private sector unions are corrupt as hell too, but at least the employer gets a seat at the table during negotiations.

    "Will you admit the Koch run Tea Party fights to continue to cut support for services that will get laid off workers retrained, get them back to work, that will feed their families, that will keep them in their homes AND the Koch run Tea Party continues to support the elite uber-rich paying less in taxes than the workers that they laid off?"

    Yes, we want dirty air and water too.

    [sarcasm]

    Why should tax payers pay to train and feed workers? If a wealthy person pays a lower income tax than his employees, it's because his income is derived from investments which have already been taxed. Can you tell me why personal wealth should be taxed more than once?
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  • harley oldman 2012/07/22 17:56:03
    Disagree
    harley oldman
    He found out that his Parents were liberals and his mind snapped, knowing he could never live down the shame...!
  • Matt M 2012/07/22 17:38:23
    Disagree
    Matt  M
    He very well may have a connection to the Tea Party. He also has a connection to the University of Colorado and to the city of San Diego.

    So obviously the University of Colorado specializes in the development of deranged maniacs, and most people in San Diego are living in a state of delusion.

    Just brilliant, ABC and politico.
  • Jean 2012/07/22 10:50:34
    Disagree
    Jean
    Oooops .... ABC "News" got caught in delivering disinformation again. Seems there are more than one "James Holmes" living in Colorado - and the shooter is a college dropout who recently attended one of the most liberal universities in the US. How much do you want to bet this Jim Holmes was an OWS participant?
  • "OG" 2012/07/21 19:53:16
    Disagree
    "OG"
    +1
    Always one wanting to point fingers to a political party. What BS it really is ! ABC News what a joke they really are !
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/07/21 19:11:22
    Disagree
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    Once again the LSM screwed up. They never get it right. Unless it's outright lies. They always do that.
  • PandoraBoxe 2012/07/21 16:31:19
  • Bronar 2012/07/21 11:57:50
    Disagree
    Bronar
    Maybe there's still a seat for Dan Rather after all!
  • gvc 2012/07/21 07:47:37
    Disagree
    gvc
    How would ABC even begin to know this is the same person? The police have not been able to access his apartment.
    Typical of ABC to try to make news instead of reporting what they actually know. Pathetic!!
  • TuringsChild 2012/07/21 06:07:24
    Disagree
    TuringsChild
    That's funny. We ALREADY know he had connections to OWS and the Black Bloc, which is mostly FBI undercover agents. It's actually more likely to be a black ops operation by Obama to stir up the anti-gun forces in America.
  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2012/07/21 04:34:36
    Disagree
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    Reports currently say that this looser had virtually no digital fingerprints as far as they can find so far...
  • Of Thee I Sing... 2012/07/21 04:28:42
    Disagree
    Of Thee I Sing...
    +1
    Those dipsh_ts did the same thing when that AZ congresswoman got shot in the head too....but the reality is they make up this out right lie and then retract the statement later but the damage has been done.....They do the bidding of their master.....the Son of Perdition....Obama.
  • Christ0212 2012/07/21 03:31:00
    Disagree
    Christ0212
    +1
    He may belong or believe in what they stand for but what he did is just insanity plain and simple. I believe Americans should be able to bare arms, however we have to figure out some way to keep guns away from mental cases like this guy. Give this freak a trial and hang him from the highest tree closest to the court house.
  • CTF 2012/07/21 02:40:53
    Disagree
    CTF
    +1
    Actually, we have no real idea at this point what his political affiliation is.... But either way, I think it's irrelevant in this case.
  • JeanLouiseCollins 2012/07/21 01:39:36
    Disagree
    JeanLouiseCollins
    +2
    Shame on them.That is an example of political spin..The country is reeling with the horror and ABC has to jump in with what they don't know..
  • Angus 2012/07/20 22:49:45
    Disagree
    Angus
    +3
    But then again we all know that the left will never let a good crisis go to waste. Interesting though, when Gifford was shot and it turned out that it was comitted by a left wing loon the Main Stream Media let that one die pretty fast.
  • Moneyman 2012/07/20 22:47:24
    Disagree
    Moneyman
    +1
    It didn't take long for some on the left to politicize the shooting and start jumping to the WRONG conclusion, did it?
  • Jackie 2012/07/20 22:46:15
    Disagree
    Jackie
    +1
    Tea Party Jim Holmes is 51 years old not 24. And he lives in Aurora Colorado not Denver Colorado. This was just another liberal network, talking head out to smear the Tea party.Thought he could slip the attack by. After all people only remember the first story not the correction. If you use Ross's info system google Brian Ross. And find he is a rapist and a murderer.

    If this sycho dude was registered to vote, you can make a sure bet he would be democrat.
  • Allbiz - PWCM - JLA 2012/07/20 21:27:47 (edited)
    Disagree
    Allbiz - PWCM - JLA
    +5
    Brian Ross spewed his venomous allegation at 8:17am.

    You posted this poll at approximatley 11:15am.

    At 10:45am, ABC recanted Ross's allegation and apologized to the incorrect James Holmes who Ross ID'd.

    POLITICO posted a correction at 11:11am.

    By posting this poll and continuing Ross's lie, you are just as guilty of deciminating deceit as is Ross. Fortunately, too many other SH readers are on the side of honesty.

    Go ahead....block me now. I know you will.
  • snipe Allbiz ... 2012/07/20 22:17:16 (edited)
    snipe
    +3
    Foxhound was so desperate to be the first to post the "news" on SH, that he wasn't going to let the truth get in the way of a good lie.
  • Allbiz ... snipe 2012/07/20 23:17:40
    Allbiz - PWCM - JLA
    +3
    LOL. What we would do without those liberal conspiracy theorists?
  • snipe Allbiz ... 2012/07/21 00:33:25
    snipe
    +2
    They always rush to judgment, never waiting for the truth to come out.
  • ScottyG... snipe 2012/07/21 19:12:40
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    I still say the fuxhund is a she! Or at least transgendered.
  • snipe ScottyG... 2012/07/21 21:24:31
    snipe
    +1
    One never knows these days, does one?
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