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Obama administration for Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack said at a White House press briefing that he prays for rain to end the drought. Vilsack said, “I get on my knees every day. And I’m saying an extra prayer now. If I had a rain prayer or a rain dance I could do, I would do it.”

Tom Flynn, the executive director of the Council for Secular Humanism, accused Vilsack of crossing the as a government official. Flynn accused Vilsack of violating the Constitution. “...praying for rain? That’s not just government entangling itself with religion, that’s government publicly practicing it, and wallowing in superstition.”

Flynn said Vilsack "sends the wrong message to distraught farmers when the Agriculture Secretary suggests that the best response is to pray. For a Cabinet official to recommend prayer as a solution or call attention to his own devotions may violate the Constitution’s prohibition against establishment of religion. Most important, though, is that prayer doesn’t work. But if you want to test the power of prayer yourself, consider this. Apparently Secretary Vilsack’s been praying for rain every day; how’s that working out?”

Video of 7/18/12: White House Press Briefing with Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack:


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  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/27 21:10:32
    zeldamaster17
    The westboro baptist church, for all bad things about them, at least they follow part of the bible... Usually christians don't follow any of it.
  • texasred zeldama... 2012/07/27 23:23:26
    texasred
    If you're so anti-Christian, who are you to say whether Christians follow the bible or not?
  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/27 23:29:13
    zeldamaster17
    Because I've read the bible ':/ I know what a christian is supposed to follow, and if I was a christian I would have to do bad things.
  • texasred zeldama... 2012/07/27 23:43:17
    texasred
    If you were a Christian you would have to do bad things? I think you're just slightly off kilter and need a little therapy.
  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/27 23:49:37
    zeldamaster17
    Already had it. Now I'm on lexapro, and am using you for comedic purposes.
  • texasred zeldama... 2012/07/27 23:55:38
    texasred
    Glad you find me funny. I find you very sad and pathetic.
  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/27 23:57:26
    zeldamaster17
    Well, I've got my anti-depressant, anti-give-a-damn pills, soooooooooooooooo
  • texasred zeldama... 2012/07/28 00:02:17
    texasred
    That's good. Be careful not to overdose.
  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/28 00:07:17
    zeldamaster17
    Yeah, overdosing is NOT on my to do list. I'd rather not die anytime soon. Only take one a day, to keep the caring away! :D
  • texasred zeldama... 2012/07/28 00:27:22
    texasred
    Well, that should keep you on the right path.
  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/28 01:30:43
    zeldamaster17
    Yep! The right path! In other words, be nice to peoples! Later!
  • zeldama... texasred 2012/07/25 00:14:01
    zeldamaster17
    *refused to lie and say they believe in god.
  • Golanv ... texasred 2012/07/23 12:55:35
    Golanv (Raven) BN0
    +2
    Oh, I am. And I pray to the Creator and give thanks for the rain. I don't remember learning the song; I've just always known it. I did it at a family dinner once during a drought and it clouded up and poured rain on our picnic. My brother was hilarious! Said he was going to quit his job, get a megaphone and put me in the back of his truck to go around making rain. ;)
  • texasred Golanv ... 2012/07/23 16:44:16
    texasred
    +1
    Your brother may have a really good idea!!!
  • Golanv ... texasred 2012/07/23 18:00:29
    Golanv (Raven) BN0
    +2
    Trust me; I seriously thought about it for a moment. ;) But I usually sing and dance for rain in private communion with Great Spirit. (God) And I believe everyone has the capacity to do the same. I just did rain dance again for all drought areas today and will continue. Also prayers. I hope everyone does, in whatever is their way.
  • texasred Golanv ... 2012/07/23 19:27:41
  • Golanv ... texasred 2012/07/23 20:27:16
    Golanv (Raven) BN0
    +2
    Thank you! It's all good. Looks like we will have rain again today. I hope others do as well.

    native american prayer
  • texasred Golanv ... 2012/07/23 20:33:42
    texasred
    +1
    So do I!!!
  • thє вluє wαndєrєr 2012/07/22 19:55:20
  • Herb thє вlu... 2012/07/22 20:27:46
    Herb
    +2
    77% of americans are christians 157 million 2.8 billion acroos the world dont think their is that many atheist lol.
  • thє вlu... Herb 2012/07/22 22:08:50 (edited)
  • Herb thє вlu... 2012/07/22 22:19:11 (edited)
    Herb
    +2
    oh and at last count christianity is growing in the world and other countries big time. 2.8 billion.
  • thє вlu... Herb 2012/07/22 22:58:50
  • Golanv ... thє вlu... 2012/07/23 18:16:32
    Golanv (Raven) BN0
    +3
    This is why I still do not believe in the 'god' of the fundamentalists who judges people, has human traits and takes sides in wars. God is Love. Literally. Love, Light and Universal Energy. Until many Christians realize this there will be strife.
  • Golanv ... thє вlu... 2012/07/23 18:12:39
    Golanv (Raven) BN0
    +2
    Very true. And I hope it will never come to that. I went from being a devout Christian as a child, to Atheist, then Agnostic. After a NDE when I experienced the other side I began to follow the NA Red Road. There are reasons for all paths.
  • AnonRanGER Herb 2012/07/22 22:37:50 (edited)
    AnonRanGER
    +3
    Learn f-ing English, dude. Then maybe you will be taken seriously.
    Also, what little substance your comment had is completely besides the point.
  • Herb AnonRanGER 2012/07/22 23:02:46 (edited)
    Herb
    +1
    sorry i type fast and dont look, i have a 3.8 gpa in music degree. and 3.8 in computers and a degree. so i'm very smart and i check my facts to.
  • Justin ... Herb 2012/07/23 00:00:48
  • Herb Justin ... 2012/07/23 00:13:38
    Herb
    whats so funny justin
  • AnonRanGER Herb 2012/07/23 00:31:03
    AnonRanGER
    +2
    "sorry i type fast and dont look, i have a 3.8 gpa in music degree. and 3.8 in computers and a degree. so i'm very smart and i check my facts to."
  • Herb AnonRanGER 2012/07/23 00:36:18
    Herb
    +1
    i do i have degree in computers at Mti college and a music degee from alvin college. im working on theology degree cause i love the bible.
  • AnonRanGER Herb 2012/07/24 07:13:57
  • Herb AnonRanGER 2012/07/24 17:19:15
    Herb
    oh and im working on a theology degree to.
  • texasred AnonRanGER 2012/07/23 01:16:19
    texasred
    +1
    What is your problem?
  • valeria... AnonRanGER 2012/07/23 05:12:52
    valeria.casey.9
    YOU ARE RUDE DUDE!!!!!!!!!!
  • AnonRanGER valeria... 2012/07/24 06:56:59 (edited)
    AnonRanGER
    Statement: "The last I checked this country wasn't a theocracy."
    Reply: "77% of americans are christians 157 million 2.8 billion acroos the world dont think their is that many atheist lol."

    His reply is irrelevant to the statement and downright asinine. 78.1% of US citizens are also caucasian, for example - would you like the law to favor caucasians because "dont think their is that many black people lol."?
    That would have been my answer if his post had shown some kind of sophistication. However, the answer is written in poor English, lacking any kind of punctuation and capitalization. Therefore, his argument lacks both substance and presentation.
    Sure, I could have been a bit more polite about it, but people posting comments - especially STUPID comments - in poor English are making asses out of themselves, and I'll f-ing point that out to them so that maybe next time they'll take 5 seconds to think about what they're going to say and put their thoughts into coherent sentences, which is apparently too much of an effort for them - and THAT could be considered to be "rude" as well, couldn't it? Imagine this whole reply to you writenliek this bcause hell icant be bohtered to take teh tiem to put it in a format that maks it easy 4 u 2 read u r not wort the effert im smart tho and have...






    Statement: "The last I checked this country wasn't a theocracy."
    Reply: "77% of americans are christians 157 million 2.8 billion acroos the world dont think their is that many atheist lol."

    His reply is irrelevant to the statement and downright asinine. 78.1% of US citizens are also caucasian, for example - would you like the law to favor caucasians because "dont think their is that many black people lol."?
    That would have been my answer if his post had shown some kind of sophistication. However, the answer is written in poor English, lacking any kind of punctuation and capitalization. Therefore, his argument lacks both substance and presentation.
    Sure, I could have been a bit more polite about it, but people posting comments - especially STUPID comments - in poor English are making asses out of themselves, and I'll f-ing point that out to them so that maybe next time they'll take 5 seconds to think about what they're going to say and put their thoughts into coherent sentences, which is apparently too much of an effort for them - and THAT could be considered to be "rude" as well, couldn't it? Imagine this whole reply to you writenliek this bcause hell icant be bohtered to take teh tiem to put it in a format that maks it easy 4 u 2 read u r not wort the effert im smart tho and have degreases in music computers scyences i kit u not so theyre im smart despiet typign like i smash my hed on teh keybord and hit enter lol if your smart to u can decifer it ritelol

    He does seem like a nice guy though, so I admit I could have been less rough on him. I guess I just ran out of patience. I mean, I'm sure that in real life, you've seen at least one person you'd so much like to go up to, grab by the shoulders and shake and tell them how absolutely ridiculous their hair looks and that they should get a f-ing haircut because they look like an idiot. But you don't. You don't even mention it to them in a polite way. You tell yourself it's more polite to shut up and let them make asses out of themselves. I understand - I'm like that in real life, too. But this is the internet. You will openly be called a f-ing idiot when you behave like one.

    "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde

    Degrees in real life are irrelevant. Here, we are words on a screen; they represent us, and they have to speak for themselves. The level of Herb's representation of himself is the equivalent of him running around in public in only his underwear, waving a degree around, trying to educate people. Sure, he may be the nicest person on the planet, and maybe what he's saying even makes sense, but someone should walk up to him and tell him to put on some f-ing clothes, don't you think?
    I just did.
    (more)
  • Golanv ... thє вlu... 2012/07/22 20:31:58
    Golanv (Raven) BN0
    +5
    True. I just closed my eyes and clicked one since there is no 'other' choice. My paternal ancestors came to this country for religious freedom and my maternal ancestors have always been here and had that freedom.
  • thє вlu... Golanv ... 2012/07/22 22:16:45
  • texasred thє вlu... 2012/07/23 01:15:10
    texasred
    Does a prayer hurt you? No. So get over it.
  • thє вlu... texasred 2012/07/23 09:34:52

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