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Obama administration for Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack said at a White House press briefing that he prays for rain to end the drought. Vilsack said, “I get on my knees every day. And I’m saying an extra prayer now. If I had a rain prayer or a rain dance I could do, I would do it.”

Tom Flynn, the executive director of the Council for Secular Humanism, accused Vilsack of crossing the as a government official. Flynn accused Vilsack of violating the Constitution. “...praying for rain? That’s not just government entangling itself with religion, that’s government publicly practicing it, and wallowing in superstition.”

Flynn said Vilsack "sends the wrong message to distraught farmers when the Agriculture Secretary suggests that the best response is to pray. For a Cabinet official to recommend prayer as a solution or call attention to his own devotions may violate the Constitution’s prohibition against establishment of religion. Most important, though, is that prayer doesn’t work. But if you want to test the power of prayer yourself, consider this. Apparently Secretary Vilsack’s been praying for rain every day; how’s that working out?”

Video of 7/18/12: White House Press Briefing with Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack:


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  • wilsonmja Anthony... 2012/07/21 14:30:48
    wilsonmja
    +1
    I see what you did there and it didnt bother me. If you felt disrespected, I'm sorry. No disrespect was intended.
  • Sissum71*AFCL* 2012/07/21 05:32:01
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    If you really believe God doesn't exist then someone praying shouldn't bother you. Did Tom Vilsack ask you to pray? Did he force you to join him in prayer? No..so get over it. How about you just switch channels...
  • Anthony... Sissum7... 2012/07/21 06:00:24
    Anthony Souls
    Even if he did ask, that wouldn't be force :P You kinda grouped it into your logic :P

    Take care,
  • Sissum7... Anthony... 2012/07/21 06:13:22
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    Yes, he didn't force anyone to pray. He didn't even ask anyone to pray with him. He simply stated HE was praying for rain. Pretty simple actually...
  • Anthony... Sissum7... 2012/07/21 06:14:49
    Anthony Souls
    Indeed, I just felt a need to clarify that asking wouldn't be forced as well. Just had a compulsion to do it :P

    Take care,
  • Sissum7... Anthony... 2012/07/21 06:18:27
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    We all have our compulsions...
  • Korgull Sissum7... 2012/07/21 10:55:28
    Korgull
    But you really have to question someone's mental ability if he honestly believes superstitious nonsense like praying to a being made up thousands of years ago by primitive desert men is anything more than a complete waste of time.
  • Sissum7... Korgull 2012/07/21 13:30:44
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    I question the mental ability of a person who makes statements like the one I am responding to now.
  • Korgull Sissum7... 2012/07/21 21:23:21
    Korgull
    If you were to take the "religion" title away from these people, they'd be no different than most people that get thrown into mental institutes for having imaginary friends they legitimately believe are real.
  • Sissum7... Korgull 2012/07/21 21:36:31 (edited)
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    Who gets thrown into mental institutions for having imaginary friends? You are simplifying mental illness ridiculously. Are you trying to convince me of something? Perhaps you get your kicks insulting groups of human beings who simply think and feel differently from the way you think and feel. Either way, this conversation has become boring and pointless. Take care.
  • sally 2012/07/21 05:11:13
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    sally
    It's not like I attack them or (anyone for that matter) for not believing in God.
  • KB 2012/07/21 05:11:01
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    KB
    I lost my faith in humanity's social progress.
  • Robert Morgan 2012/07/21 04:57:44
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Robert Morgan
    +2
    And as an atheist myself, I'd like to apologize on behalf of other atheists for attacking those who are religious.
    I don't see it as my place at all to denigrate the beliefs of others. I fail to see why people, such as atheists, who don't care for religion spend so much time obsessing over it!

    I'm no fan of celebrity gossip, But I don't care if others do, and I sure as hell don't form groups of like-minded people to go after those who do.

    That is just how I see it. I don't believe in religion, and I feel no need to force my non-beliefs upon anyone else.
  • Anthony... Robert ... 2012/07/21 06:02:03
    Anthony Souls
    A rational comment :) Although, Christians usually feel the need to try and talk about God with non believers because they don't want them to suffer for eternity. While atheists, as I understand it, are against Christians for voicing their beliefs and attack them for all the wrong reasons.

    Take care,
  • Rachel 2012/07/21 04:52:24 (edited)
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Rachel
    Flynn needs to reread the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

    Nowhere in Vilsack's comment was it stated that Congress or any governmental body was going to force everyone to pray, whether it be on their knees or in dance, etc. He was making a personal statement, one that has zero authority over the actions and beliefs of others, and thus cannot establish religion in any form. As such, it is not unconstitutional. This is such a simple concept - I don't understand how idiots like Flynn can feel so justified spewing this sewage.
  • iamco2000 2012/07/21 04:44:22
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    iamco2000
    ...on everything.

    Grace to you, Glory to God!
  • Karl iamco2000 2012/07/21 10:26:09
    Karl
    I think Hitler and Stalin were evil and fried chicken is delicious. What say you?
  • iamco2000 Karl 2012/07/21 17:10:12
    iamco2000
    ...and here come the attacks right?

    I realize you're trying to be funny but I would say your points match the typical MO of an atheist who have a tendency to take isolated snippets of information out of context and base an entire argument about them without ever directly seeing the bigger picture.

    I was of course referring to ideology while you of course were aiming at minutia and missing the forest for the trees.

    Grace to you, Glory to God!
  • Karl iamco2000 2012/07/22 02:19:55
    Karl
    Dude, chill. It was a joke.
  • bleep 2012/07/21 04:37:49
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    bleep
    i don't know who i hate more. atheists or obama.
  • LeAnn 2012/07/21 04:28:10
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    LeAnn
    +2
    So by simply saying he's praying, he is somehow establishing religion? It's not like he's commanding all American Farmers to pray along with him....he's just saying he's praying, and didn't even say to who. Why make a fuss over something you don't believe in? Just ignore it.
  • Eric 2012/07/21 03:47:02
    Yes, I agree with the Atheists
    Eric
    +2
    Basic freedom of speech. The Administration is allowed to pray for rain and atheists are allowed to complain.
  • Adam 2012/07/21 03:42:43
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Adam
    +2
    I don't disagree with, "The Atheists", I disagree with THIS atheist. Praying has come to be interpreted as a general act of hoping for something, and even if it wasn't, this prayer is just a statement of his personal actions. No one seriously believes that rain dances are a actual part of Vilsacks view on public policy. This was a casual, informal sort of comment you get in everyday conversation. It's asinine to respond to genuine concern over religion encroaching on the government with petty conspiracy theories, and it is ultimately counterproductive.
  • James 2012/07/21 03:27:39
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    James
    What people privately is their own business.
  • Karl 2012/07/21 03:11:38
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Karl
    Yes, because all of us Atheists actually care if you believe in religion.
  • Faith ~American Patriot~ 2012/07/21 03:06:21
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Faith ~American Patriot~
    Morons.
  • Al B Thayer 2012/07/21 03:03:48
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Al B Thayer
    +1
    Why do atheists bitch and moan about the very thing that gives them their club to belong to?
  • Karl Al B Th... 2012/07/21 03:12:28
    Karl
    Most of us don't.
  • V~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/21 02:53:55
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    V~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Praying for rain is not any less effective than other Obama tactics.

    Of all the problems that Obama is accused of mismanaging or neglecting, this is not one of them. Prayer or not, it is unreasonable to expect the President to make it rain.

    Maybe Obama can blast Biden into outer space to search for water that can be sent back to Earth.
  • JCLadybug 2012/07/21 02:37:38
    Yes, I agree with the Atheists
    JCLadybug
    I don't agree with the atheists, but they have a right to express their opinion. Also Obama said he was praying, not who he was praying to. You can't establish a state religion when you don't say which one....just saying. They are being over-the-top IMO, but they are welcome to criticize the president for the statement. Many other religions get worked up over other things the president does or doesn't do.
  • Crimson 2012/07/21 02:23:16
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Crimson
    +1
    I'm sorry but that is just pathetic!
  • Sherlock Dog BL - a Gazillion 2012/07/21 02:01:06
  • imantrek Sherloc... 2012/07/21 02:24:28
    imantrek
    +2
    love the sign...lol
  • Apache 2012/07/21 01:59:59 (edited)
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Apache
    +4
    What does it matter to them? They are Godless Freaks.

    Rain Dance
  • kobidobidog 2012/07/21 01:03:13
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    kobidobidog
    +1
    Prayer is good.The thing is Atheists are attaching prayer. A human that prays without ceasing will be like Jesus is. You can pray for rain, but that does not mean there will be rain.
  • Bibliophilic 2012/07/21 00:57:50
    Yes, I agree with the Atheists
    Bibliophilic
    +2
    It is a meaningless gesture. They have the right to voice their opinion. Personally, prayer doesn't offend me. This is not a very important issue right now.
  • Marissa Garreffa 2012/07/21 00:53:01
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    Marissa Garreffa
    +2
    Could the government do more than pray, yes. I am a atheist but if you believe in God go ahead and pray if you think it will help. Point = Everybody is in-titled to their own beliefs. This is AMERICA PEOPLE!!!!!!!
  • DougE 2012/07/21 00:45:31
    Yes, I agree with the Atheists
    DougE
    It's actually funny to see it. I've been saying for 20 years that the democrats have been taken over by special interest groups that they don't know who/what their base is, nor can they keep that base happy.
  • Tommy 2012/07/21 00:43:01
    Yes, I agree with the Atheists
    Tommy
    +3
    I wish they'd be a little more geographically specific with the damn prayers. We're getting far too much!
  • mwf122090 2012/07/21 00:35:27
    No, I disagree with the Atheists
    mwf122090
    +1
    I disagree with their beliefs, but it's their right to criticize the president, though of course, it's a waste of time.

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