It doesn't matter what a majority of Americans think about a criminal case, Mopeder.
That's why we don't have popular votes on guilt or innocence in America. We have cops, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges, and juries. You know, people who are actually privy to all the evidence!
Nobody voting in these polls was there when the shooting occurred, so they are in absolutely no position to comment.
The media are being hysterical and irresponsible in their coverage of this case. And people like you who push "polls" about it are a bit part of the problem, no offense.
Arrest George Zimmerman for Trayvon Martin Shooting - Poll
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Do a majority of Americans believe George Zimmerman should be arrested for the shooting of Trayvon Martin? Polls are discussed by Cenk Uygur and Ben Mankiewicz on The Young Turks.
Top Opinion
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JenSemPa 2012/04/04 13:07:00
Anytime there is a death by the hand of anyone else, sure it needs to be heard.
but this case needs deeper investigation here.much much deeper.
This has become the Zimmerman tragedy. He was attacked and after having his nose broken and his head cracked open and no chance to defend himself (coroner said not a scatch on Trayvon. He did what he had to do to survive. He shot his attacker. After screaming for help as his head was slammed into the concrete. And the attacks have yet to stop. And now that three TV Medias have confessed to altering the 911 tape to make Zimmerman look guilty of a racist shooting. And they have confessed to lying about his physical injuries. It should be easy to sue the freaks who have been pushing a race war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
now we come to find out NBC doctored the 911 calls to "create news". really ? how about the truth !
http://www.theblaze.com/stori...
http://www.thedaily.com/page/...
he was in a gated community and appeared drugged up. why was he there to begin with ?
his twitter handle was no_limit_nigga ?
zimmerman probably should not have followed him but there was no dispute that there was a scuffle and Martin was on top of him beating him. Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head.
there is probably plenty of blame to go around on this for both guys. I see far worse crimes than this one being committed though. shouldn't we be angry about a 25 year old black youth who broke into a elderly Oklahoma couple's home....injuring a 90 year old man and raping a 85 year old woman ?
time for the race hustlers to stop this crap. a bounty on zimmerman ? give me a break !
why are we trying this case in the realm of public opinion ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
now we come to find out NBC doctored the 911 calls to "create news". really ? how about the truth !
http://www.theblaze.com/stori...
http://www.thedaily.com/page/...
he was in a gated community and appeared drugged up. why was he there to begin with ?
his twitter handle was no_limit_nigga ?
zimmerman probably should not have followed him but there was no dispute that there was a scuffle and Martin was on top of him beating him. Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head.
there is probably plenty of blame to go around on this for both guys. I see far worse crimes than this one being committed though. shouldn't we be angry about a 25 year old black youth who broke into a elderly Oklahoma couple's home....injuring a 90 year old man and raping a 85 year old woman ?
time for the race hustlers to stop this crap. a bounty on zimmerman ? give me a break !
why are we trying this case in the realm of public opinion ?
you just have to Google and see that hundreds of people have posted this already.
but great job trying to make these weirdos see.
Zimmerman was taken in for questioning like thousands of Americans every day. It is a standard procedure. Only IF they have absolute proof of guilt do they then arrest and hold the suspect and even then they are afforded bail if they are indicted until a court date is set.
Before the indictment process itself can even get started, people like you have been screaming to arrest and incarcerate him. Without the evidence to convince a court to indict, they cannot legally hold him for more than a day or so.
Now would that satisfy you? Hold him for a day and then release?
No it wouldn't. You don't know the laws, you have no clue how the system works and you are using heart cells to think with instead of brain cells.
If we arrested and held every suspect in this country, we would have ten times as many people in our jails and prisons just awaiting an indictment let alone a trial date and dude... if you want to pay for all that out of your own pocket, you be my guest as you can obviously afford a few extra hundred billion to do this.
An exception cannot be made in the Zimmerman case just because people like you think with your heart.
As I have said, what you are talki...
Zimmerman was taken in for questioning like thousands of Americans every day. It is a standard procedure. Only IF they have absolute proof of guilt do they then arrest and hold the suspect and even then they are afforded bail if they are indicted until a court date is set.
Before the indictment process itself can even get started, people like you have been screaming to arrest and incarcerate him. Without the evidence to convince a court to indict, they cannot legally hold him for more than a day or so.
Now would that satisfy you? Hold him for a day and then release?
No it wouldn't. You don't know the laws, you have no clue how the system works and you are using heart cells to think with instead of brain cells.
If we arrested and held every suspect in this country, we would have ten times as many people in our jails and prisons just awaiting an indictment let alone a trial date and dude... if you want to pay for all that out of your own pocket, you be my guest as you can obviously afford a few extra hundred billion to do this.
An exception cannot be made in the Zimmerman case just because people like you think with your heart.
As I have said, what you are talking about is no different than what the KKK used to do fifty years ago. The media would hype up a crime with a black suspect, the police don't arrest him or release him after questioning, the media goes on a feeding frenzy, white Americans who didn't know the facts believed the media, people began crying out in rage, vigilantes started calling out to kill the man, the KKK put out bounties and many black men died who were completely innocent.
As that what you have become Mopeder? Are you too stupid to understand that the media has distorted the facts from the start and are inflaming the situation for ratings?
Have you become no different than white Americans in the past who cheered when innocent black men were lynched because they were so convinced they were correct and the system failed... when they didn't even give the system a chance to work? They also accused police of botching the job when the media and community interference made it almost impossible for them to do their jobs.
So Mopeder... if Zimmerman gets killed, how will you feel? You will walk away just like all those white people did in the past when blacks were lynched... will you say you are not a racist like all those white people did?
A racist as you define them would be sitting back laughing their asses off at how the left jumped the gun and are supporting black people who are crying out to kill a Hispanic man. Even if you want to say Zimmerman is part white... that makes him a mutt and white racists don't want mutts anymore than they want people of other races.
You have willingly stepped into a bear trap Mopeder and you have allowed yourself to become so blind you cannot see... and you won't stop this BS until Zimmerman gets killed.
Chances are if this goes to trial, he will be set free because there's not enough evidence to convict.
I would not waste my time trying to make you aware of what's really happening if I did not believe that somewhere inside of you there is a voice of reason which knows this is how white racists used to act and how the media influenced them to act that way... and it's trying to tell you to listen to me because you know that true white racists are having a ball and laughing their heads off that their opposition has become every bit as racist as they are and you are now doing their dirty work for them.
I'm still trying to figure out why the rt wingers are more concerned with Zimmerman being let go rather than justice for Trayvon Martin? Are there really that many gun nuts and extremists out there? The polarization of this case certainly suggests that.
AS far as examining Zimmerman's character, please read this letter to Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, from a member of the Zimmerman family that wrote that George was one of “very few” in Sanford who publicly condemned the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer,” who is white.
On Dec. 4, 2010, Justin Collison, the son of Sanford Police Department Lt. Chris Collison, was involved in a bar fight at The Wet Spot bar in Sanford. During the fight, which moved from indoors to outdoors, the younger Collison struck Ware.
Ware suffered a concussion, and paramedics took him to the hospital shortly after police arrived on the scene. Collison was not arrested or charged, even though an onlooker had video evidence of his actions.
According to members of the Zimmerman family, George printed and distributed copies of fliers on bright fluorescent-colored paper demanding that the community “hold accountable” officers responsible for any misconduct. TheDC has obtained a copy of one of those fliers.
“Do you know the individual that stepped...
AS far as examining Zimmerman's character, please read this letter to Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, from a member of the Zimmerman family that wrote that George was one of “very few” in Sanford who publicly condemned the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer,” who is white.
On Dec. 4, 2010, Justin Collison, the son of Sanford Police Department Lt. Chris Collison, was involved in a bar fight at The Wet Spot bar in Sanford. During the fight, which moved from indoors to outdoors, the younger Collison struck Ware.
Ware suffered a concussion, and paramedics took him to the hospital shortly after police arrived on the scene. Collison was not arrested or charged, even though an onlooker had video evidence of his actions.
According to members of the Zimmerman family, George printed and distributed copies of fliers on bright fluorescent-colored paper demanding that the community “hold accountable” officers responsible for any misconduct. TheDC has obtained a copy of one of those fliers.
“Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would?” the Zimmerman family member asked in the letter to the NAACP’s Clayton.
“Do you know who spent tireless hours putting fliers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church‐goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8th, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??”
“That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN,” the letter insisted. “Ironic isn’t it?”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/0...
Most recently there was a headline that the screaming voice on the tape begging for help was Trayvon's. It's evidence like that, if true, that ought to lead to Zimmerman's arrest.
My guess is that Z displayed his gun which led to the altercation and shooting. Martin, in fear for his life, attempted to knock Z out but failed.
Threatening with a gun is a felony. Felonies that lead to a death is murder. The problem is that we won't be able to prove Z showed his gun, so it'll end up being manslaughter.
Logic and reason tells us that since Zimmerman was out of breath talking to the 911 operator, after jogging that BIG , what? 30 YARDS?
Is it then logical to believe that, overweight and out of shape, Fatboy Zimmerman, ran down, overtook and then KICKED THE ASS of athletic Martin, until Martin was on the ground screaming for help, THEN Zimmerman shot him? (If that were the case; Martin would have made a better "trophy" if he were alive.)
The autopsy would give a LOT of information, like the direction the bullet came from, the position of the body when the bullet was fired, where the shooter HAD to be when the shot was fired: If the autopsy would have reflected negatively on Zimmerman, why hasn't it been made public?
As for the eyewitness, yes he saw Martin on top. That doesn't mean he was still on top when the eyewitness went into the house and then went up to the second floor.
The heavy breathing can be due to the excitement or fear rather than his physical condition. The photo that was shown was when he was much heavier.
The voice sounds like a young person and the screaming ended instantly when the shot was fired. It's unlikely that Z would have been screaming like that as if he were begging for mercy if he had his gun ready.
The content of the screaming sounds more like someone who is confronted with a gun and is asking for his life to be spared.
You are right about the bullet trajectory - very important. Also, did the bullet leave the body? If so, was it in the ground or did it fly off somewhere? Perhaps some of this forensic evidence would give us an answer.
Another factor is how close were they to Z's car. He claims he was going back to his car. Is the car close by or was that a lousy alibi?
Police report (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/... stated Zimmerman had a bloody nose and fat lip as well as cut on the back of his head:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/st...
776.013 (3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
Sounds like Zimmerman acted in accordance with the law.