Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Doctors Not To Inform Women Of Prenatal Issues To Prevent Abortions.

by luvguins Posted 2012/04/14 16:15:02

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Seems the state of Arizona has really gone off the cliff with their war on women which caused Bill Maher to award them the head in the ass statue last night on his show. On the heels of their bill that conception occurs at the end of a menstrual period when it would actually occur 2 weeks later at midcycle the AZ senate passed this.

It's called a “wrongful birth” bill and it’s all about preventing women from having an abortion, even if it kills them. The Arizona Senate passed a bill this week that gives doctors a free pass to not inform pregnant women of prenatal problems because such information could lead to an abortion.

In other words, doctors can intentionally keep critical health information from pregnant women and can’t be sued for it. According to the Arizona Capitol Times, “the bill’s sponsor is Republican Nancy Barto of Phoenix. She says, "allowing the medical malpractice lawsuits endorses the idea that if a child is born with a disability, someone is to blame.” So Republicans are banning lawsuits against doctors who keep information from pregnant women so as to prevent them from choosing to have an abortion.

This bill is actually more disturbing than the Republicans seem to realize. Giving doctors such a free pass risks the lives of both the expectant mother and the fetus she carries. Prenatal care isn’t just for discovering birth defects and disabilities. It is also for discovering life threatening issues such as an ectopic pregnancy which often requires an abortion to save the life of the mother. With rare exceptions, ectopic pregnancies are not viable anyway, but Republicans are allowing anti-abortion doctors to keep life threatening information from pregnant women all because they are obsessed with stopping any and all abortions. Women may not know they have a life threatening condition until they die on the emergency room table. And the doctor couldn’t be sued.

This is an egregious bill that will lead to higher mortality rates for infants and mothers. Doctors should be held accountable for not disclosing information learned from prenatal examinations. Pregnant women have the right to know if their future child is going to have a disability or if the pregnancy may require an induced abortion to save their lives. Any decision that is made as a result of the information is the mothers own. Doctors should not be allowed to make decisions for pregnant women as a way to prevent abortions. Women have the right to make their own health decisions and hiding critical information is irresponsible, unconscionable, and risks lives. In the end, Republicans are only putting more lives in jeopardy. They might as well call this the ‘let women die’ bill. What happens to a doctor's Hippocratic oath with this insanity?

If this anti-woman bill passes the House, and it is signed by finger pointer, Governor Jan Brewer, who also diabolically cut off organ transplants for Medicaid recipients in her state it will really mean the Republicans have guaranteed a victory for the president in November.

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Meako 2012/04/14 17:26:10

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Thanks friend for doing this thread..

When I first read about this it made me sick to my stomach. What the heck do women get prenatal care for? How dishonest would a doctor be if he/she did not tall a patient that their baby may have some kind of disease? This is the sickest piece of legislation I have ever heard.. AND REPUBLICANS WANT TO SAY THERE IS NO WAR ON WOMEN... YEA RIGHT... SICK SICK SICK............
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hayesml47 2012/05/23 16:56:19

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I really wonder what the men in Arizona would do if all the women left!

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Keeping It Real 2012/05/18 00:28:56

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If the women in Arizona don't stand up for themselves but instead vote the Republiconteabaggers back in office then let the chips fall where they may.

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ehrhornp 2012/05/01 18:10:31

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But one must remember the republicans are not waging a war on women. lol
I wonder what they don't understand about limited government or personal responsibility? Orwell would be proud of today's republicans as the perfect example of the rulers of Oceania.

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kudabux 2012/05/01 18:04:25

But any doctor with ethics and believes in 'first do no harm' will inform pregnant women of birth defects, unless he is a RWNJ.

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Devonly 2012/05/01 13:08:05

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First of all, anyone that references Bill Mahr discredits their argument automatically in my opinion.

This is also written with more emotion than facts.

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luvguins to Devonly 2012/05/01 18:00:49
aherbert 2012/04/30 01:45:02

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These fools not only want to control the wealth in the country but they also want to control women!

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psychobabe 2012/04/29 16:35:29

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What the hell?! I don't know what to say. I am in shock and absolutely disgusted.

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aliycat 2012/04/28 23:01:36

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Ugh. Really? That sucks.

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HAlex1972 2012/04/28 22:08:12

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Doctors that don't inform women about pre-natal issues should be put in jail and have their licenses taken away for malpractice.

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Deb to HAlex1972 2012/04/30 09:05:31

not anymore they won't....

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Crimson 2012/04/28 16:26:57

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So, basically, it doesn't matter if they die or if they suffer, the baby must be born... no matter if that baby will survive the procedure... and to think that we're supposed to be in the 21th century...

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Brosia 2012/04/28 03:59:35
luvguins to Brosia 2012/04/28 04:07:05

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Well said. Some Republicans must want to return to the 17th century.

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Brosia to luvguins 2012/04/29 02:37:56

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Why thank you.

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EdVenture 2012/04/27 22:23:57

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They need more illegals/immigrants/ to persecute, and another way to dismantel womens rights while encouraging false diagnosis from their medical profession..

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nightcrawler2005 2012/04/27 21:58:47

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First of all its non of the states business.

I have little use for any so-called Doctor that would not inform their patient of any potential problems or risks. If a Doctor has a problem with that maybe he should find another line of work because he's obviously in the wrong profession.

As long as its not very late term whether a woman has an abortion or not its up to HER and nobody else's business. If the doctor wants to they can tell her of other options or any psychological effects but in the end its UP TO HER and the Doctor should abbied by it.

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Deb 2012/04/27 19:50:01

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Don't care,I don't live in Arizona. And i think they are just talking about the cases in which in late pregnancy,women have the option of prenatal testing for downs syndrome and stuff where women just decide to kill the fully formed baby off because it would be inconvienient to raise a,mentally retarded child. My ob/gyn asked if i wanted the testing and i said no. you guys are interpreting this way wrong...seriously sometimes you "feminists" need to get off your high horses and calm down,nobody is out to get you...now go to the bathroom,put one leg on the toilet seat....and gently removes your tampons...have a good day

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luvguins to Deb 2012/04/27 21:19:04

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Amniocentesis can be done earlier than near term as soon as amniotic fluid is ample on ultrasound. Some anomalies are not capable of life like anencephaly, and women may choose to abort those. That is not killing.

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Deb to luvguins 2012/04/28 03:06:13

i understand for things like that abd taye sachs but alot of times they see the smallest abnormality and abort because it isn't a perfect baby with ten fingers and ten toes..i personally just didn't wanna know,that would be a tough decision to make

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luvguins to Deb 2012/04/28 03:11:10 (edited)

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Of course it a tough decision. Many women don't have the resources for expensive fetal surgery or months in a neonatal nursery, or the raising of a severely handicapped child. Plus Ryan's budget wants to remove many things like food stamps, the WIC program, and special education and rehab for disabled kids.

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HAlex1972 to luvguins 2012/04/28 22:09:18

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Yep. Total and complete hypocrites.

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Deb to HAlex1972 2012/04/30 09:01:36

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how does that make me a hypocrite? lol I stand firm in my position, if the fetus is going to die anyway,then fine abort it,but if its just gonna be a little bit special then there is no reason. This is the problem with America,you selfish bastards throw away anyone and everyone who doesn't fit your ideals of what a person should be,we throw away our old,we lock up our disabled,we ridicule anyone with an "abmormality". What gives you the right to decide who gets to stay? You aren't perfect. And to be honest,I'm kinda glad doctors won't be obligated to tell you if your baby isn't perfect..20 years ago that technology didnt even exist and they don't have to use that advancement for you..You took that risk when you decided to get pregnant and if you want a full guarantee,go adopt. You people make me sick,my daughter has cerebral palsy....you gonna kill her off too because she won't be able to fully function when she gets older? Oh and my husband only makes 35,000 a year and we have disposable income even with her medical costs...so i call bs on the "we can't afford it" excuse. If we can,you can. and if you don't have that much money,then you probably shouldnt be having kids,all kids are expensive.

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luvguins to Deb 2012/04/30 12:51:16

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No decent doctor would follow this diabolical law. Women have a right to know what they might be dealing with at birth and beyond.

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Deb to luvguins 2012/08/09 07:43:14

Maybe women should check their genes first and stop trying to have babies over 36 years old,when everyone knows their drying up eggs are going bad and can result in a deformed baby

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HAlex1972 to Deb 2012/04/30 17:49:42

I was talking about Paul Ryan and certain Republican politicians being hypocrites, not you.

That being said, I do not think that a doctor should be able to withhold important health information from his patient. If we start allowing that for this situation, what other situations will we allow it for? Also, I don't agree that a person should abort just because the baby will have a minor defect, but the question at hand is whether a doctor should be able to make that decision by withholding information from the patient.

Please don't jump to conclusions on my beliefs because you have no idea who you're talking to on SodaHead, nor do you know my background.

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aherbert to Deb 2012/04/30 01:47:49

http://www.pianoblog.com/.a/6...

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Stacy F to Deb 2012/05/31 03:26:18

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Well said!

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Wag 2012/04/27 18:36:34

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Arizona is trying to join the redneck backward states of the south......

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luvguins to Wag 2012/04/27 21:20:11

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They are there with their racial profiling immigration law.

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cjj ~ F... to luvguins 2012/04/27 21:35:23

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Well, the good news is...
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/d...
And this is from FOX broadcasting station.

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luvguins to cjj ~ F... 2012/04/27 22:24:18

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Cool. A toss up state. The age diff figures too as that was the only demographic that McCain slightly got across the country in 2008....white protestant men over 50.

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Jacksane 2012/04/27 18:16:33

It's a shame such a beautiful and warm state has such ridiculous laws.

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sjalan 2012/04/27 17:15:31

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The Republican legislature is going to get replaced this fall so most of this is going to get undone next year.

These idiots have gone off the deep end is an understatement. The idiot that introduced SB1070 has been ousted and the rest of his nut cases buddies are leaving this fall. Oh and too, AZ is a tossup for the President too.

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Live Free Or Die 2012/04/27 17:11:54

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It is completely unethical and not medically sound. There are some medications/treatments that can improve a baby's outcome and / or save a mother's or baby' life during pregnancy when a problem is known. I hope the citizens of Arizona can find a way to reverse this decision.

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Glfer65 to Live Fr... 2012/04/27 19:13:49

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How is a doctor able to go home and sleep at night? To do no harm is the first and most precious reason for becoming one. To not tell a woman that she is a high risk or that she is likely not going to make through should be the first response to her.

Then let her decide on what she wants. If she decides to abort and try again so be it. But not have someone dictate what she can or can't do.

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Live Fr... to Glfer65 2012/04/27 23:52:45

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In the event that she wanted to terminate the early testing and sharing of information is a better outcome than her trying to do it herself or it being too late, or costing her life. I wouldn't presume to make a decision like that for her one way or another. But they can now.

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Glfer65 to Live Fr... 2012/04/28 00:06:17

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But the end is that SHE and her doctor should be the only two to discuss it and her doctor should not be tying his belief in his work. The reason we have doctors is for this reason where they are the experts not Congress!

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Live Fr... to Glfer65 2012/04/28 00:36:16

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As far as I know there are pro-Life ob/gyn's, as most don't do abortions unless it's an emergency situation. In those cases, I'm not sure what they are and are not allowed to do. But I think giving someone a reference should be mandatory and if her life is on the line you shouldn't be allowed to just walk out.

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Glfer65 to Live Fr... 2012/04/28 02:14:26

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Oh yeah just imagine how that would go over? Besides it is bad for business to NOT give your patient proprietary information about YOUR health. But you have made points on the fact that it is YOUR choice not a STATES.

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