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Are you willing to fix the voting system?

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Public US 101 October 23, 2008 16:31:33

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Please refrain from cyberbullying. Debating for or against a candidate in comments will not be considered an indication simply because everyone has their list of best to worst. However do not encourage the voting for people in upcoming elections with buttons and whatnot. This is a place for debate and reasoning, if not for the improvement of the voting system.
If you have ideas for a new way to do the voting system, please comment in "New Voting System Ideas" forum. If you are not in the United States or not of age, please do not vote, but would love to see your ideas, opinions, corrections and other interactions in the forums. Of course, I can't stop you if you do vote; it's simply a courtesy.
IT IS UP TO ALL OF US TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTO THIS. JUST PLEASE DON'T DOUBLE-VOTE. THAT DOES NO GOOD. THIS MIGHT JUST REVEAL HOW SKEWED THE VOTING SYSTEM IS.
http://www.sodahead.com/group/3467/forum/7542/discussion/1266...

simply courtesy people double-vote reveal skewed voting httpwww sodahead comgroup3467forum7542discussion1266 Vote-Points System
This allows you to simply rank them with points. It depends greatly on the amount of actual candidates. If there is more than one candidate it will be set up with a vote-points system. In it, if there are two candidates, you are given two numbers to rank them: 1 point and 0 points. If there are thirteen candidates, you are given thirteen numbers to rank them: 0-12 points. No two candidates may have the same two numbers with this, that's numbers, not digits.
Please read the forum for this about how the points are counted in votes. Discussion: 2 Birds 1 Stone
Beware that by not reading about a candidate, you could actually help the rise of what you didn't know was your worst nightmare or accidentally dismiss someone who could have been your shining star.
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HOPE YOU SEE THIS, BOORTZ! :)
Remember that the VPS doesn't promise a win for minor parties, but the VPS does help to make it more likely. Write-Ins can work in this too, but I will not be using them in the examples.
This system will also promote more candidates as well as show them off, because it becomes harder to miscount or get away with messing with the points.
The problem with the Vote-Point system is states competing on getting the most candidates in order to play a bigger part in the federal elections. Here is a solution...
To fix that problem with candidate-competitive states, I suggested before using the federal government to increase the people on all states ballots to the greatest number of ballot candidates among the states. Florida had thirteen so all the states would have been obligated to have thirteen on there. I think I also suggested limiting it at the federal level AGAIN.
I'm ashamed of ever thinking of those two ideas.
Here's a third one though and I hope will work. Instead of going to the federal level, this stays at the state level. Each state is responsible for counting the votes.
Now, to keep states from going crazy with this system while still allowing them to have whatever number they want without stealing the election from other states, we have to resort to math. (Hopefully, our standardized tests have taught us how to add and divide. *wink*)
VPS relies on points, however that does not mean votes. Each person has one vote, one ballot, but their vote is divided into points to show greater or lesser desire for specific candidates.
VPS also can make it harder for there to be a miscount or intended switch in points, somewhat. The total amount of points must be a multiple of the total number of points on a single ballot. That means, the total number of points in Florida for this past election would have been a multiple of 78. Anything that was not a multiple of 78 would have meant an automatic recount. Also, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT COMPUTERS MUST BE USED. I only used computers in this because we do use them in the current system, but paper ballots are still included.
Here are some examples of how the transfer from points to votes would go:

Example 1:
Two Candidates (For the sake of not confusing you with numbers, they will be a Democrat and Republican)
Point numbers (No two candidates may have the same number in PRS and this does not mean digit but the entire number, though the DV does sometimes have multiple candidates with the same number): 0 & 1
Possible number of points to a vote: 1
The person on this ballot voted...
DEM: 1
REP: 0
After the state gathers up the ballots from a million voters, they come up with 750,000 Points for the Democratic Candidate and 250,000 for the Republican Candidate. The points are divided by the total number of points to each vote, which is one. The Dem wins here with 750,000 votes to the Republican's 250,000 and the federal government takes that count.

Example 2:
Three Candidates (Dem/Rep/Independent)
Point numbers: 0-2 (0, 1 and 2)
Points to a vote: 3
The person on this ballot voted...
REP: 2
AIP: 1
DEM: 0
After the state gathers up the ballots from a million voters, they come up with 1.5 million for the Republican Candidate, 1 million for the Independent Candidate, and .5 million for the Democratic Candidate. The points are divided by the total number of points to each vote, which is three. The Republican win here 500,000 votes again the Independent's 333,333.3... votes and the Democrat's 166,666.66... votes. The federal government is sent the votes.

Example 3: (I'm going to jump high here.)
13 Candidates
Point Numbers: 0-12
Points to a vote: 78
The person on this ballot voted...
REP: 0
DEM: 12
PSL: 11
CPF: 7
PRO: 8
LBT: 4
OBJ: 3
SWP: 10
GRE: 9
AIP: 1
ECO: 2
SPF: 6
BTP: 5
After the state gathers up the ballots from a million voters (I‘m simplifying at this point), they come up with...
REP Points: 9 million
DEM Points: 10 million
PSL Points: 7 million
CPF Points: 7 million
PRO Points: 6 million
LBT Points: 11 million
OBJ Points: 1 million
SWP Points: 2 million
GRE Points: 7 million
AIP Points: 3 million
ECO Points: 5 million
SPF Points: 4 million
BTP Points: 6 million
The points are divided by the total number of points to each vote, which is 78.
REP Votes: 115,384.61...
DEM Votes: 128,205.12...
PSL Votes: 89,743.58...
CPF Votes: 89,743.58...
PRO Votes: 76,923.07...
LBT Votes: 141,025.64...
OBJ Votes: 12,820.51...
SWP Votes: 25,641.02...
GRE Votes: 89,743.58...
AIP Votes: 38,461.53...
ECO Votes: 64,102.56...
SPF: 51,282.05...
BTP: 76,923.07...
Please understand that the federal government must have the brain cells to keep the number of votes, including the numbers after the decimal, OR AT LEAST THE TENTH!
The Libertarian Party wins in this state here with 141,025.64... votes and the feds are sent the votes.

EXAMPLES FROM IHR HASE
QUOTE
We will for my example extrapolate a small population to a million person one...

Here are the results for 10 voters in a 13 person election

Party V1 V2 V3 V4 V5 V6 V7 V8 V9 V10 Points
RNP 12 0 5 9 1 7 3 0 6 1 44
DNC 0 12 4 8 0 6 2 1 7 0 40
PSL 10 9 3 7 12 5 1 2 8 8 65
CFP 9 8 2 6 11 4 0 3 5 11 59
PRO 8 7 1 5 10 3 12 4 4 7 61
LBT 11 1 0 4 9 2 11 5 3 12 58
OBJ 6 2 12 3 8 1 10 6 9 6 63
SWP 5 3 11 2 7 0 9 7 10 5 59
GRE 4 11 10 1 6 12 8 8 2 2 64
AIP 3 4 9 0 5 11 7 9 1 9 58
ECO 2 10 8 12 4 10 6 10 0 3 65
SPF 1 5 7 11 3 9 5 11 12 4 68
BTP 7 6 6 10 2 8 4 12 11 10 76

Now 10 voters to 1 million requires a 100,000 multiplier (which I think is easy enough)/78

Party
RNP 56410
DNC 51282
PSL 83333
CFP 75641
PRO 78205
LBT 75349
OBJ 80769
SWP 75641
GRE 82051
AIP 75349
ECO 83333
SPF 87179
BTP 97436

Total 1001978

Somehow I came up with an extra 2000 votes but a .2% margin of error is not that bad... *Side comment from MSufferer: Remember to keep in mind that for 13 candidates, that the final count of points would have to be a multiple of 78 no matter how many voters.*

The question is how does this method stack against political brainwashing...

Party V1 V2 V3 V4 V5 V6 V7 V8 V9 V10 Points
RNP 12 12 12 12 12 0 0 0 0 0 60
DNC 0 0 0 0 0 12 12 12 12 12 60
PSL 1 11 10 8 6 4 2 11 9 7 69
CFP 2 10 11 9 7 5 3 1 10 8 66
PRO 3 9 1 10 8 6 4 2 11 9 63
LBT 4 8 2 11 9 7 5 3 1 10 60
OBJ 5 7 3 1 10 8 6 4 2 11 57
SWP 6 6 4 2 11 9 7 5 3 1 54
GRE 7 5 5 3 1 10 8 6 4 2 51
AIP 8 4 6 4 2 11 9 7 5 3 59
ECO 9 3 7 5 3 1 10 8 6 4 56
SPF 10 2 8 6 4 2 11 9 7 5 64
BTP 11 1 9 7 5 3 1 10 8 6 61

Still we do not have the Republicans or the Democrats as a leader, we have 5 parties ahead of them, and one tied,
UNQUOTE
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Not a new form of voting, but a new way of going about it. I haven't gotten a name for it from Denny, but it is something that would need a lot of interaction and time with members so it is up here.

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10 August 01, 2009 14:36:44

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If you have a suggestion to make, post here. Once its seen and your serious, your idea can get its own forum and you can start the polls needed to test it.

4 December 26, 2008 19:24:52

Vote-Points System

Your thoughts on it and eventually the results of the experiments. Perhaps this can later include local and state. Duel/Dual-Voting is also here, but I don't support it anymore.

5 September 25, 2009 10:59:09

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  • Boris Badinov September 07, 2009 00:46:20
    Boris Badinov
    I just joined. As an opening statement I believe that the Primay process did not allow the Republican candidates an appropriate vetting in th '08 election process. I believe there was likely an inapproprate input fom the Democrat voters. (NH, etc.)
  • Rileymo May 18, 2009 21:34:28
    Rileymo
    I vote Suf for Pres in 2012
  • Mazzaroth Sufferer †Rom. 9:13† April 04, 2009 21:20:24
    Mazzaroth Sufferer †Rom. 9:13†
    Each party has their own primary to narrow down the selection and it's up to the people who do not have parties to make themselves known.
  • TechnoZeus March 17, 2009 20:12:25
    TechnoZeus
    There are far too many candidates for far too many political offices to expect everyone to study them all, and even if we all studied all of the official candidates that still leaves out the people who would have been better than any of those running but did not run because they did not agree with any political party that they thought had a fair chance. I still think the most important thing we need to change is to allow the option of a negative or positive vote in all elections... so that there will be more balance and fairness in the election process.
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