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Are you for a ban on minarets in the Baltics?

Sagittarius December 19, 2009 00:37:09

In Switzerland, on Sunday, the 29th November 2009, decided by referendum to ban construction of minarets on.

One need not necessarily be a follower of Islam, in order to view this development with concern.

Or do you want a ban on minarets too in the Baltics?

More: http://baltic-review.com/2009/12/19/minaret-ban-in...

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  • +3
    cocoanutpalm December 21, 2009 03:07:00 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm

    Yes

    Islam needs to be entirely banned in everyway worldwide.


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  • +2
    USER DEACTIVATED March 10, 2010 04:10:34
    USER DEACTIVATED

    Yes

    YOU BET! Ban their mosques, ban the religion of murder. Ban them.
  • +3
    cocoanutpalm December 21, 2009 03:07:00 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm

    Yes

    Islam needs to be entirely banned in everyway worldwide.


  • +2
    Alicia cocoanu... December 22, 2009 06:36:53
    Alicia
    I would defend the right of anyone to worship as they please but this does not appear to be worship it is a wish to stamp out anyone not of the Islamic persuasion and I do not call that religion.
  • +1
    cocoanu... Alicia April 02, 2010 17:28:37 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    I agree. If you were to read qur'an and hadith of Bukhari with your own eyes and not depend on anyone .. especially NOT muslims ..to tell you what IS in those books.. you would see it is exactly why Americas constitution was written as it is ...to ESCAPE religious theocracies of any kind which enjoy complete control of every persons life in every EVERY EVERY single aspect , including which way to face while on toilet... .. Islam means literally enslavement/slavery/submission to islam the religion and it is the intention of islam to rule worldwide by any means .

    Islam = murder.

    http://www.debbieschlussel.co...
  • +3
    nightlight December 20, 2009 07:11:37 (edited)
    nightlight

    Yes

    I am very much in favor of the ban in Switzerland on minarets and would like to see a ban on building mosques in all non-Muslim countries. In non-Muslim countries, the Muslims should be subjected to the same rules and laws that they subject non-Muslims to in Muslim countries, for example that no religious buildings can be built or repaired, that no religious clothing or religious symbols can be worn in public, that no religious books can be carried or read in public, that proselytizing is against the law, that praying in public is illegal, etc.; kind of like a form of reverse sharia.
    The only thing of concern about this development is the Muslims' ridiculous outcry of offense and attempts to defeat the ban. The Muslims use thses minarets to broadcast their calls to prayer five times a day over electricly amplified loudspeaker, disturbing all the non-Muslims in the area, and disturbing the peace. They do this to assert the dominance of islam in a country as they work to take it over. I might also point out that you won't find a single church, temple, or religious building of any kind except a mosque in Saudi Arabia. It's time we gave them a good taste of their own medicine.
  • +1
    VICTORIA nightlight December 21, 2009 00:04:24
    VICTORIA
    AGAIN, you demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge on the subject of Muslims and Islam.

    Why do you persist in speaking so loudly on a subject you are so demonstrably misinformed?

    "In Muslim countries, for example that no religious buildings can be built or repaired, that no religious clothing or religious symbols can be worn in public,"

    It wouldn't be possible for you to be more wrong about that.

    “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (by Abu Dawud)

    In fact, in all His wisdom, God had seen it fit even to defend some churches, monasteries and synagogues:

    لَّذِينَ أُخْرِجُوا مِن دِيَارِهِمْ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ إِلَّا أَن يَقُولُوا رَبُّنَا اللَّهُ وَلَوْلَا دَفْعُ اللَّهِ النَّاسَ بَعْضَهُم بِبَعْضٍ لَّهُدِّمَتْ صَوَامِعُ وَبِيَعٌ وَصَلَوَاتٌ وَمَسَاجِدُ يُذْكَرُ فِيهَا اسْمُ اللَّهِ كَثِيراً وَلَيَنصُرَنَّ اللَّهُ مَن يَنصُرُهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَقَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ {22:40

    "They are those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, t...
    AGAIN, you demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge on the subject of Muslims and Islam.

    Why do you persist in speaking so loudly on a subject you are so demonstrably misinformed?

    "In Muslim countries, for example that no religious buildings can be built or repaired, that no religious clothing or religious symbols can be worn in public,"

    It wouldn't be possible for you to be more wrong about that.

    “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (by Abu Dawud)

    In fact, in all His wisdom, God had seen it fit even to defend some churches, monasteries and synagogues:

    لَّذِينَ أُخْرِجُوا مِن دِيَارِهِمْ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ إِلَّا أَن يَقُولُوا رَبُّنَا اللَّهُ وَلَوْلَا دَفْعُ اللَّهِ النَّاسَ بَعْضَهُم بِبَعْضٍ لَّهُدِّمَتْ صَوَامِعُ وَبِيَعٌ وَصَلَوَاتٌ وَمَسَاجِدُ يُذْكَرُ فِيهَا اسْمُ اللَّهِ كَثِيراً وَلَيَنصُرَنَّ اللَّهُ مَن يَنصُرُهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَقَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ {22:40

    "They are those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will)." (translation by Yususf Ali).

    God creates all of us human beings. Of different colours and races. And also religions. Had He wanted all of us to be His followers, He could have.

    وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لآمَنَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَكُونُواْ مُؤْمِنِينَ {10:99

    "If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!" (translation by Yusuf Ali).

    That is His way. Because as oft said, there is no compulsion in Islam.
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  • +1
    nightlight VICTORIA December 25, 2009 22:37:53 (edited)
    nightlight
    It wouldn't be possible for you to be more wrong about the prohibition of building or repairing religious structures other than Isalmic ones in Muslim countries. This is why there is not a single church, temple or religious stucture of any type except mosques in Egypt or Pakistan and why non-Muslim structures in all other Muslim majority countries are under constant attack and non-Muslims are being slaughtered throught the world. You are so ignorant that if this matter weren't so serious, you'd be amusing.
  • VICTORIA nightlight December 25, 2009 22:55:12
    VICTORIA
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    SYRIA
    church egypt syria

    church egypt syria church egypt syria church egypt syria
    LEBANON
    church egypt syria lebanon church egypt syria lebanon http://www.iloubnan.info/uplo...
    PALESTINE
    church egypt syria lebanon httpwww iloubnan infouplo palestine
    church egypt syria lebanon httpwww iloubnan infouplo palestine

    church egypt syria lebanon httpwww iloubnan infouplo palestine
  • +2
    nightlight VICTORIA December 26, 2009 23:21:20
    nightlight
    I meant no churches in Saudi Arabia.
  • VICTORIA nightlight December 27, 2009 00:15:04
    VICTORIA
    O now you're just a sneaky weasel. You edited your post and just inserted the same countries I listed!!!

    Anyone with half a brain could see that.

    At least yo are becoming more educated.
  • +2
    nightlight VICTORIA January 02, 2010 00:19:46
    nightlight
    Too bad you aren't.
  • VICTORIA nightlight February 22, 2010 19:29:33
    VICTORIA
  • +1
    nightlight VICTORIA February 26, 2010 09:46:33
    nightlight
    Your response is inadequate. As usual.
  • VICTORIA nightlight March 01, 2010 01:35:07
    VICTORIA
  • VICTORIA nightlight March 01, 2010 01:35:34
    VICTORIA
    Your responses are so consistently hostile- that I think I shall have to start reporting you for this harassment.
  • +1
    nightlight VICTORIA March 05, 2010 13:47:50
    nightlight
    Oh my! I'm trembling with fear. :D
  • bigpapa... nightlight May 12, 2010 15:06:33
    bigpapaking
    Some people are a little too sensitive.
  • +1
    bigpapa... VICTORIA May 12, 2010 15:05:57
    bigpapaking
    I've always found nightlight to be as respectful, or disrespectful as those he was replying to!
  • VICTORIA bigpapa... May 12, 2010 16:46:00
    VICTORIA
    My own manners are not determined by others. We are all only responsible for our own actions.
  • bigpapa... VICTORIA May 12, 2010 19:33:33
    bigpapaking
    True, however I disagree with Nightlight on most things. All of our conversations have been respectful, and even enlightning. I like the guy even if he's wrong on some things; he does however tone it up when people are rude to him he acts in kind.
  • VICTORIA bigpapa... May 20, 2010 04:14:53
    VICTORIA
    That's because he does not actively hate you simply because of your faith.
  • +1
    cocoanu... nightlight March 23, 2010 23:45:24 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    Note ..the video i used was removed because muslims caused it to be removed because it was truthful and proved sharia/islam law hates females. To help anyone reading this now.. the video was of a woman whose body was subjected to vile and evil muslim rape/torture of her in jail simply because she refused to wear veil. It was a very moving video and completely truthful and verifiable .



    The above video is what many female muslims go through under sharia law enforced by male muslims everyday everywhere on this planet.

    One must wonder about a female muslim reporting others outside of islam for harrassment... except for that is how islam tries to deflect the shining of the light and focus on what islam is doing present day legally under sharia law. By pointing to what freedom loving people name as evil crimes and prosecute perpetrators of evil crimes .... islam takes away as is proven again and again ..the focus on islam and what it DOES now legally under current day sharia law .. which ( yes I know I am repeating myself ) points to crimes of others but fails tomention the crimes of others are LEGAL under sharia law everyday everywhere islam is. Makes not one bit of logical sense since they are absolutely the property under sharia law of the male muslim and are often targets ...
    Note ..the video i used was removed because muslims caused it to be removed because it was truthful and proved sharia/islam law hates females. To help anyone reading this now.. the video was of a woman whose body was subjected to vile and evil muslim rape/torture of her in jail simply because she refused to wear veil. It was a very moving video and completely truthful and verifiable .



    The above video is what many female muslims go through under sharia law enforced by male muslims everyday everywhere on this planet.

    One must wonder about a female muslim reporting others outside of islam for harrassment... except for that is how islam tries to deflect the shining of the light and focus on what islam is doing present day legally under sharia law. By pointing to what freedom loving people name as evil crimes and prosecute perpetrators of evil crimes .... islam takes away as is proven again and again ..the focus on islam and what it DOES now legally under current day sharia law .. which ( yes I know I am repeating myself ) points to crimes of others but fails tomention the crimes of others are LEGAL under sharia law everyday everywhere islam is. Makes not one bit of logical sense since they are absolutely the property under sharia law of the male muslim and are often targets themselves ..nor proves one thing except that females trapped in islam must obey their religion/theocracy/males in rule/ownership of females and are not supposed to question sharia law. Islam will still always own females of any age and do anything the male muslims want to do to the females within islam and kaffur females also ... no matter what. It should be noticed by all who view these muslim females answering any questions in here..they fail to mention what I mention .. and always try to divert focus on the topic at hand..which is islam and what islam does to every place it goes as proven by HISTORICAL facts.

    Current day sharia/islamic law for ALL females in islam ...no matter what and in any country where islam is. Islam hates .. loves violence and pretends it is both the truth and is above the truth ..hides from truth.. threatens tellers of truth.... and OWNS females.

    http://ethnikoi.org/iran.html EVERYWHERE ISLAM is ..even in the USA ... typical sharia/islam law ..perfectly legal in islam the religion of peace and joy and contentment ...
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME...
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  • +2
    nightlight cocoanu... March 27, 2010 00:23:29
    nightlight
    You hit the nail right on the head.
    I think that the only reason Islamic women stand up for islam is to make themselves look more devoutely Muslim and therefore avoid more abuse at the hands of their Muslim men.
    Or it could be the result of them suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome.
    You're also right in what you said about the Muslims and their fear of the truth. The way I put it is that Muslims are as afraid of the truth as vampires are afraid of sunlight.
    If you haven't already done so, I would strongly suggest that you read Robert Spencer's books "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" and "Stealth Jihad". Also Nonie Darwish's book about Sharia and the abuse and opprerssion of women in Islam, "Cruel and Usual Punishment".
    You would also do well to visit and join www.actforamerica.org and sign up for their email news letters; it's free and it will keep you up to date on the advance of Islam and sharia in our country. Keep up the good work.
  • +1
    cocoanu... nightlight March 24, 2010 15:04:04 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    Exactly ..just as so many women outside of islam do.. but in islam..this is essential to keeping the ridiculous lie of islam going ...
  • +2
    nightlight cocoanu... March 27, 2010 00:25:37
    nightlight
    Yes. And an important question is what kind of God would hate women so much and make them suffer as they do under Islam?
  • +1
    cocoanu... nightlight March 27, 2010 17:47:28 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    a fake god.... an allah... a man teaching her she is not worthy of better treatment.
  • nightlight cocoanu... March 28, 2010 05:59:09
    nightlight
    "a fake god" is not quite accurate; no gods are real. Allah, like all gods is merely a myth, although a particularly evil and dangerous one.
  • +1
    cocoanu... nightlight March 30, 2010 01:58:09 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    well there you and I must part way on background belief, sir, with all my respect to you..... I know you don't believe in God.. and you know I do. it is religion which I do not believe in .... I have never advocated religion and "allah" is a moon god Muhammed used to make fun of as a pagan god ... and then stole from the religions of pagans to use as his own. ..

    The God i believe in gave the original commands and said no one is allowed to add to them or take away from them. ( only seven in all ) .

    Of course I am aware many have other beliefs and I am not against that as long as my group and other groups are not annihilated or forced to undergo extortion ( taxation paid forcibly to theocracies which rule politically and so on , which is why America was begun.. to escape evil religious criminal extortion and to be free to limit size and shape of government control over the populace ) for my or their own disbelief in what another group commands me to believe.

    If someone wants to believe squirrels rule the world I am fine with that ..as long as no one murders me for not being interested in squirrel rule or forcing me to obey squirrels or be beheaded or stoned or raped or burned or crucified, et al in honor of squirrel law.
  • nightlight cocoanu... April 09, 2010 17:19:41
    nightlight
    How can you say that you don't believe in religion (a system of beliefs based on myths) and then say that you do believe in God - an entity for which there is no proof or evidence?
    I have noted from your posts that we seem to be pretty much on the same side, at least when it come to Islam and its horrors.
    It is interesting to note that the only thing that separates us is your belief in God (religion). That's exactly what all religions do - separate people and cause conflict between them.
    Islam is a system of beliefs based on myths and lies that promotes criminal insanity. One should not fight against one set of ridiculous, insane beliefs with another set of ridiculous, insane beliefs. Ridiculous, insane beliefs should be fought with sanity, reason, and by those who have both feet firmly in reality; not one foot in reality and the other firmly in Disneyland.
  • cocoanu... nightlight May 12, 2010 12:48:06 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    Nightlight..true belief in a supreme creator is nothing to do with religions. I am not hateful of any who do not believe in God .. atheism is ok by my mind, paganism .. also ... I understand it and do not feel any compulsion whatsoever to condemn it. Religions are male formulated "reasons" used to emotionally control large groups of humans for personal gain and power. That has nothing at all to do with God ( I use the name God because I don't know what else to use , ok? It is ok for me to trust that he or she or it or they already know what to be called ) I look at myself in the same kind of mirror you do, Nightlight. I am only a human like all else. A child on the exact same path as everyone else on the earth, just like you.

    I have my reasons for my belief in God which if you want me to tell you I will ..but only in a private message. Not here and I will hope you will not expose what I say to you in private to others in public or in private.
  • nightlight cocoanu... May 12, 2010 14:56:35
    nightlight
    I respectfully disagree.
    Belief in a "supreme creator" or supreme being is a hallmark of every religion.
    "Religions are male fromulated 'reasons' used to emotionally control large groups of humans for personal gain and power. That has nothing to do with God..."
    Again, I have to respectfully disagree: it has everything to do with God. It is because people believe in whatever god they believe in, and fear Him and his power over them that religions are able to control them.
    I can give you my word that I will never disclose any of what you say to me off of this site. If you feel comfortable telling me your reasons for your belief in God, I will give you my email address and we can discuss this further in private. Peace.
  • cocoanu... nightlight April 03, 2010 16:05:12 (edited)
    cocoanutpalm
    I believe Muhammed informed all females within islam they have only half the intelligence of males. Not to be unkind to her, maybe this person you communicate with forgot or never knew her own prophets denial of her personal intelligence because she lacked the capacity to remember his words concerning muslim females? Perhaps that is why she missed the import of what you actually said?

    In any case.. no need to be mean to her, true? People born/raised into religions which teach more than one half the humans God has made that they are nothing but stupid property/slaves to be used sexually by males no matter what she might be busy doing first, is not going to get past that easily simply because such people are taught to believe anything their prophet commands them to believe,
    eh? It is good that other females within such a cruel and violent theology are finally seeing past such horrific evils.
  • +1
    sugarbuzz December 20, 2009 06:22:39
    sugarbuzz

    No

    I think it is ridiculous. We live there part of the year, and they still allow smoking in restaurants and even the French forbid it now....something backwards is happening there.
  • +3
    Alicia sugarbuzz December 20, 2009 08:28:07
    Alicia
    Backwards is a word that nobody who knows the Swiss very well would ever EVER use to describe them.
  • sugarbuzz Alicia December 21, 2009 05:07:53
    sugarbuzz
    Well, my Grandfather emigrated from Schatdorf, and so I also have family there, and we live there part of the year....this certainly looks backwards to me, and they are business as usual otherwise.
  • +1
    Alicia sugarbuzz December 21, 2009 06:05:18
    Alicia
    I stand by what I said the Swiss are head and shoulders above us in many things and just because they still allow smoking means absolutely nothing.
  • sugarbuzz Alicia December 21, 2009 19:48:35
    sugarbuzz
    That is going to change as of this next spring I am told. Their country works and has when many others are in turmoil. It is my second home, but it is NOT perfect.
  • +1
    VICTORIA sugarbuzz December 23, 2009 08:15:09
    VICTORIA
    I think she just said you are head and shoulders above the British.
  • +1
    sugarbuzz VICTORIA December 23, 2009 16:56:05
    sugarbuzz
    I know I am, and you too as you are my adopted...tea time!
  • +1
    VICTORIA sugarbuzz December 23, 2009 20:17:34
    VICTORIA

    scrumptious crumpets!

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