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Are you concerned about the E. Coli outbreak that has spread to 6 states?

Fox Report with Shepard Smith 2012/06/08 20:00:00
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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a recent E. Coli outbreak has sickened at least 14 people in six different states. It has also taken the life of a 21-month-old baby in New Orleans. Are you worried about the infection spreading?
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  • MOMMA THOMAS 2012/06/12 01:29:50
    Yes, I'm concerned about it.
    MOMMA THOMAS
    +7
    ALMOST LOST MY SISTER LAST DECEMBER TO E-COLI.......WASH ALL PRODUCE THOROUGHLY, COOK ALL MEATS THROUGH AND THROUGH. SERIOUS, BAD STUFF....SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS HAVING A REACTION TO A FLU SHOT AT FIRST.

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  • Inquisi... Ambassa... 2012/06/11 19:59:15
    Inquisitve Kat
    Reading that kind of stuff scares the hell out of me, since I'm seriously addicted to Coke Zero/Pepsi Max (both diet colas)... I'm also a heavy smoker...
    But, you're absolutely correct.
  • JCLadybug Inquisi... 2012/06/11 20:46:24 (edited)
    JCLadybug
    +1
    This really shouldn't scare you. E. coli is a commonly used to make a desired protein....at the end of the day the cells are killed by breaking them open to extract the protein.

    Phenylalanine on the other hand, is an essential amino acid. The only reason E. Coli is mentioned b/c the protein that synthesizes phenylalanine is made from e. coli. (although this is not the original source)....like most proteins.

    Feel free to ask me any questions about the process, I am a bio-organic chemist....who has a limited knowledge on how to make proteins (I make the protein we use...but only when necessary).

    Edit: I love the pic of your cat...is it a maine coon?
  • Inquisi... JCLadybug 2012/06/11 21:43:10
    Inquisitve Kat
    Thank you for putting that into perspective for me.

    I don't think she's a maine coon but I have no idea... she's a rescue kitty. I love the pic of your cat... looks a lot like my other cat. :-)
  • JCLadybug Inquisi... 2012/06/11 21:53:56
    JCLadybug
    +1
    No problem...I hate when rumors get started b/c somebody read something but do not have any knowledge of the process. It is very common with science and also very frustrating on my end.

    Thank you, we (my husband and I) have 3 cats and this one is just so cute (also rescue). I love maine coons b/c they have such a great personality, my parents have one, or at least we think he is (also a rescue kitty) based on his traits, personality, etc.
  • Ambassa... Inquisi... 2012/06/11 21:20:02 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    +1
    You have a choice on your health and your life span. If you have no reason to live a long and healthy life, continue what you are doing and it will all be over soon.

    Years ago I went hunting one morning with a fellow I didn't know well at all, the friend of a friend. When I joined him at lunchtime I noticed ten cans of Diet Pepsi and four packages of "Twinkies" on the rear floor of the SUV. He had ingested all of that during the morning. I excused myself from gong back into the woods again for the weekend, recalling the "Twinkies defense" of the Harvey Milk murders. Sure enough, he died of some sort of liver damage and kidney failure just a couple of years later. Also had a close friend, a next-door neighbor, who died at age 41 just weeks after telling me how addicted he was to "Twinkies" and colas.
  • JCLadybug Ambassa... 2012/06/11 21:29:24
    JCLadybug
    +1
    I don't disagree that that isn't healthy....but I don't think it has anything to do with twinkies and soda chemically. I think poor food choices, obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure etc is the larger culprit here. (Maybe that is what you meant, but that wasn't how I read it).
  • Ambassa... JCLadybug 2012/06/11 22:01:05 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Neither of the men I described was obese or diabetic. In fact, the guy I went hunting with worked at an athletic club in San Francisco as a "trainer" of some sort. Neither was the one who shot Harvey Milk. All were addicted to colas and Twinkies, made with artificial sweetners. All died from liver and kidney failure.

    What we don't know about the things offered to us by our industries is what we need to fear. What we do know is too often ignored. Just a few weeks ago I went to a very qualified physician (Stanford University graduate, Mayo Clinic residency, etc.) who prescribed for me a very expensive medication. I obtained a package insert and read it carefully before filling the prescription. The insert warned that if you ever took this medication and later developed cancer cells, the cancer would become "extremely aggressive". So, I called the Doctor and asked if he knew of this warning? He denied ever hearing of such. But, the combination of chemicals was made in order to obtain another patent for the base medicine that expired last year and was now obtainable for a fraction of the cost of the "new" combination. I am doing well without any of those chemicals, and the Doctor has room for another patient in his practice.

    This has become a world where "defensive livi...


    Neither of the men I described was obese or diabetic. In fact, the guy I went hunting with worked at an athletic club in San Francisco as a "trainer" of some sort. Neither was the one who shot Harvey Milk. All were addicted to colas and Twinkies, made with artificial sweetners. All died from liver and kidney failure.

    What we don't know about the things offered to us by our industries is what we need to fear. What we do know is too often ignored. Just a few weeks ago I went to a very qualified physician (Stanford University graduate, Mayo Clinic residency, etc.) who prescribed for me a very expensive medication. I obtained a package insert and read it carefully before filling the prescription. The insert warned that if you ever took this medication and later developed cancer cells, the cancer would become "extremely aggressive". So, I called the Doctor and asked if he knew of this warning? He denied ever hearing of such. But, the combination of chemicals was made in order to obtain another patent for the base medicine that expired last year and was now obtainable for a fraction of the cost of the "new" combination. I am doing well without any of those chemicals, and the Doctor has room for another patient in his practice.

    This has become a world where "defensive living" is absolutely necessary in order to survive, both physically and economically. The object of "corporatism"
    is to gather your assets in the most rapid manner and with the least disruption to your daily habits. As much as 15-20% of all we spend is to reimburse these corporations for the costs of advertising and marketing their products. It is the Marketing Departments that drive corporations, not the Quality Control or the
    research that might warn of harmful results of buying or using what can be sold
    for a profit. The health and safety of the consumer is far down on the list of discussions that leads to a product being brought to market. And, when the topic is on the table, usually the Legal Department presents the matters in terms of "how much exposure to litigation and if the harms can be insured against, how much residual liability is retained versus the profits to be had". I've been there, sat in on these discussions and litigated the results that were obviously inevitable.
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  • JCLadybug Ambassa... 2012/06/11 22:17:35
    JCLadybug
    I agree with you about getting another doctor. Those warnings are there for a reason and doctors need to aware of the chemicals they are prescribing. I think I have heard of the effects of sweeteners on the liver/kidney's, but I haven't honestly done enough research in that area to have formed my own opinion (reading I mean....hands on that isn't even close to what I do). Twinkies....I find a little dubious b/c last time I read a label it wasn't that out of the ordinary (that said, I don't eat them so it isn't something I come across often).

    What I can say is that quality control is a large arm of any food or drug company and with they exception of some very bad cases is very important. I have a friend that works for Kalsec, which deals in food chemistry and they actually do their own volunteer based taste-testing. These people care what is in the compounds, etc. they are making. Many compounds/foods/etc have a lethal dose so that will of course be a discussion, but this is not just synthesized chemicals, natural products can be just as, if not more dangerous.
  • Ambassa... JCLadybug 2012/06/11 22:49:16 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    If you want to have some "intellectual fun", buy a package of Twinkies or take from a website the list of ingredients. Now, being a chemist, set out to determine what chemical combinations and by-products these ingredients will produce inside the human digestive and excretion systems and what reactions will occur in the human as these "pass through" in combination with other chemical compounds, such as colas and commonly prescribed drugs. Let me know your conclusions, or that point where you are willing to tell me "I don't know and couldn't possibly determine how these various chemicals will interact when brought together".

    I am amused (not intending to be facetious) by your description of Kalsec, and their "taste testing". I'm reminded of the "Marlboro Man" who told us that "Nothing tastes quite like a Marlboro". As I recall, three of the actors who were "Marlboro Men" spoke this line, before all died of lung cancer. So much for a "taste test" of harmful substances. I've tasted Twinkies and I can see how someone who like sweets could be attracted. I understand nicotine addictions but the sugar addiction is probably more complicated and poorly defined. Perhaps Disney Studios will be of some help in awareness of this obvious health hazard.
  • JCLadybug Ambassa... 2012/06/12 03:07:25
    JCLadybug
    At the onset I will say, currently no one can tell you what a list of chemicals will do together (but I will give you my take based on what I know and the compounds). This is something that has been brought up more recently than you might think b/c of benefits of everything in a grape (for example) not adding up with its individual components. All that said, the list of twinkie ingredients, although long, is fairly benign. It basically contains standard baking ingredients, a B-vitamin (under its common name), food coloring, and few preservatives of various purpose (which are a drying agent, an oil, and an antioxidant). None of which is concerning by itself. When added together they are also not going to do anything. I can't see these interacting in anyway to be problematic. The only concern you might have is if any of these compounds hit an enzyme/protein in the body (I really don't think these can cause DNA damage in any way). There have been no macroscopic adverse effects shown from these compound currently (beyond what oil does to the digestive system etc.....I mean health effects). Currently, we do not know every enzyme/protein and we know even less about what all of them do, so this is possible and the most likely.

    The difference to me b/c your examples and current thought...



    At the onset I will say, currently no one can tell you what a list of chemicals will do together (but I will give you my take based on what I know and the compounds). This is something that has been brought up more recently than you might think b/c of benefits of everything in a grape (for example) not adding up with its individual components. All that said, the list of twinkie ingredients, although long, is fairly benign. It basically contains standard baking ingredients, a B-vitamin (under its common name), food coloring, and few preservatives of various purpose (which are a drying agent, an oil, and an antioxidant). None of which is concerning by itself. When added together they are also not going to do anything. I can't see these interacting in anyway to be problematic. The only concern you might have is if any of these compounds hit an enzyme/protein in the body (I really don't think these can cause DNA damage in any way). There have been no macroscopic adverse effects shown from these compound currently (beyond what oil does to the digestive system etc.....I mean health effects). Currently, we do not know every enzyme/protein and we know even less about what all of them do, so this is possible and the most likely.

    The difference to me b/c your examples and current thoughts is that people still didn't know the effects of x, y, or z. There was no real research done, just a bunch of propaganda to sell products. Really, we didn't even know what caused cancer at the time. Now, we have these chemicals rigourously tested by enzyme assay, cell assays, animal, testing.....and on and on before it ever makes it into a human.

    I get that there is a general distrust of chemicals and have accepted this, but this whole world is made of chemicals and what scientists are trying to do is to understand how they interact and how to make a compound to help with a disease, etc. People always look for a solution whether it be a natural product or synthesized, the goal is the same.

    Lastly, not to be nitpicky. But we have a fairly good guess about why sugar is so addictive. Basically, it plays a large role in metabolism and brain chemistry (your brain runs on glucose) and it is evolutionarily always a desired thing (we also didn't have regular meals everyday....way back when...many still don't).
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  • Ambassa... JCLadybug 2012/06/12 03:26:55 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Could you be suggesting that persons addicted to sodas and Twinkies and other sugars have greater brain activity than those who are more
    careful of their calories? Are obese people knowingly smarter than those of lesser size? Or, perhaps the converse is true, that too much sugar in the blood will damage the brain tissues and commence the degeneration that we call "Alzheimer's disease" or such dementia?

    Of course I don't expect you to weigh in on my question. I does seem to me that nature has probably worked through the relationships of what is found naturally in the environment so as to generally make them harmless if attractive, perhaps warning of dangerous things in some manner (big teeth, rattles, odors or sticky skins, etc.) and thousands of years of "habits" have left some instincts among animals and even humans of what is good and what is to be avoided. Then, along comes Chas Pfizer and begins to make synthetic citric acid, and Jack Daniels makes some liquor, while General Mills includes rat feces and calls it "Raisin Bran", and off we go into the unknown world of how chemicals mix and affect us in unknown ways.

    I'm just hoping this Gin and Tonic (diet tonic) isn't harmful else I'm in big trouble.
  • JCLadybug Ambassa... 2012/06/12 03:40:14
    JCLadybug
    LOL. No that is not what I am implying....I should be careful what I type. Ha. I brought that more up out of habit for dealing with people that think the Adkins diet is healthy (biochemically it is equal to starvation....that is all I will say otherwise this will get longer than it already is).

    In my mind dibetes is the way of saying too much sugar, that and the sluggish feeling you get (which I'm sure has a biological/chemical explanation...but I have yet to look it up) when you eat too much sugar, etc.

    Your body has a minimum amount of sugar it needs to "fuel" the brain and run you metabolism (its primary functions...although it is also heavily involved in biosynthesis in your body). Ironic huh....glucose actually opens up all metabolism...I love that little fact.

    All right, I have rambled enough. Good night.
  • Inquisi... Ambassa... 2012/06/11 21:47:33
    Inquisitve Kat
    Well, I don't balance the diet cola with junk food, I just prefer the taste... my eating habits aren't healthy, either, though... I only eat healthy food, but I eat very little (oranges, yoghurt, vegetables, strawberries... never more than 600 calories).
    I may kill myself with cigarettes and diet pop, but I certainly won't kill myself with Twinkies (and the like).
    I agree, I do have a choice in my health... I guess I'm just not sure which I value more... so far, my health is good, so I feel good.
  • Ambassa... Inquisi... 2012/06/11 22:59:59 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    I couldn't begin to count the numbers of family and friends who are now gone, after telling me how "good" they felt. My "least favorite" Uncle (he always smelled of cigarette smoke and had to spend his visits on my patio) told me he would continue to smoke "until the day the Doctor tells me I have to quit or die". He telephoned me later, for the first time in perhaps thirty years, to tell me "Doctor told me I have maybe six weeks to live, just wanted to tell you goodbye". When the inevitable happens it is much too late then to regret or change the habits. Do it now, take up some new hobbies, make new friends, get out of the house and volunteer at the food bank or Library, find alternatives to your present lifestyle, and have a "new me" in mind, the one that doesn't smell like a cold fireplace and has shiny clean teeth again.
  • JCLadybug Ambassa... 2012/06/11 20:38:27
    JCLadybug
    +2
    Phenylalanine is one of the basic 20 amino acids (it is not harmful, with the exception of a people with a genetic disorder that cannot handle it). It is considered an essential amino acid b/c it cannot be produced in the body (thus you must get it from other sources). E. Coli is used b/c of its ability to quickly replicate a protein/enzyme. The e. coli is then killed in the process of breaking the cells or heat shocking them. The protein is then extracted by spinning them down and finally purifying on some sort of column. At the end of the day there is no E. Coli. allive it cannot survive the process...even if it could it gets separated away. The protein is then used to synthesize large amounts of phenylalanine which is then used to make the sweeteners.

    I don't personally do this, but I do know how to grow cells and extract out the protein I want. This is not where the outbreaks come from.
  • Greg Ambassa... 2012/06/11 22:24:57
    Greg
    +2
    Do you realize that e. coli are thriving in your digestive tract right now? They have been there since before you were born and will continue to be there as long as you live. The problem isn't all e. coli, but certain strains of e. coli. The strains used in processing food are not dangerous, or else the FDA wouldn't be allowing their use in the first place.
  • moonchild Greg 2012/06/12 03:06:57
    moonchild
    +2
    Your digestive tract is actually sterile when you're born, but the E. coli begin colonizing immediately. ;) You're right though- E.coli keep the the very bad bugs from REALLY making us sick. :)
  • Greg Ambassa... 2012/06/11 22:27:24
    Greg
    Sorry, should have read the whole thread before responding. Apparently someone else who has more knowledge than I has already told you that.

    Peace.
  • Ambassa... Greg 2012/06/12 02:19:43
    Ambassador II
    I understand. Several have described the e.coli that exist in the digestive tract and are harmless if kept there. Let them out and into your food and the story changes rapidly. Even with that knowledge, the thought of drinking a soda that has been made with the
    same bacteria that digests my steak and beans just seems a bit too close to the thought that someone made my Coke with some feces for a "starter". [A coarse pun, of course, forgive me.]

    Just a few years ago I became terribly ill and in a few hours realized the symptoms were something beyond just a bad case of influenza. After an ambulance trip to the ER a nice doctor told me I might have died within hours had I not come to his attention, totally lacking electrolytes necessary to keep the heart and such things operating. After six days in "Isolation" they determined I had a "Norovirus", the "Steamship Virus". There are documented cases of a single food service worker on a cruise liner infecting more than 400 passengers at a single meal, just by placing lettuce on salad plates or bowls. Some things like this are not worth risking, and making "sweetners" that are suspected of causing a variety of harms is not on my list of acceptable means of making a profit for a corporation.
  • Greg Ambassa... 2012/06/12 03:23:18
    Greg
    +1
    Don't get me wrong, I don't like sweeteners either, but for other reasons. Cruise ships are notorious for outbreaks and according to Cracked.com, no one actually enjoys them anyway, so I'll steer clear there, too. :-)
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/09 00:32:24
    Yes, I'm concerned about it.
    jackolantyrn356
    No body has seen fit to pubsh abroad the tidings in california
  • Josh Robinson 2012/06/08 22:44:29
    No, I'm not.
    Josh Robinson
    +2
    But if you keep trying I might get scared like a good little citizen should be at all times.
  • Max 2012/06/08 20:47:46
    Yes, I'm concerned about it.
    Max
    +1
    Where's the beef; with E. coli? And the chicken, pork and assorted fruit products that contain it… I'll buy mine in another location. Wasn't there cut backs in the USDA? Who's handling my meat anyways?
  • Ambassa... Max 2012/06/11 20:05:18 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Your "meats" are likely handled by a minimum wage employees who came across the border sometime in the past three months, perhaps infected with a virus or disease, perhaps with just a small vial of "something" in their pocket. Yes, Congress cut back FDA funding almost every year in the past three decades, until now less than 2% of the food products distributed into our markets is subjected to any sort of examination or testing. The RWNJs have declared that FDA, EPA, SEC, DHS, FAA, and sixteen more "Agencies" of Govy are no longer needed as the good intentions of corporations and the "free market" will take care of our safety and "all will be well" if "freedoms prevail" for all to do as they choose.

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