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Are you aware that if the Bush Tax Cuts send The US. into a recession? Ending Bush Tax Cuts Will Send US Off 'Fiscal Cliff'

BIG BAD JOHN R. 2012/05/23 14:50:14
Yes, we need those tax cuts to prevent us from going into a  recession.
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A new government study says that allowing Bush-era tax cuts to expire and a scheduled round of automatic spending cuts to take effect would probably throw the economy into a recession.

The Congressional Budget Office report says that the economy would shrink by 1.3 percent in the first half of next year if the government is allowed to fall off this so-called "fiscal cliff" on Jan. 1. The cliff is what experts call the combination of higher tax rates and more than $100 billion in automatic cuts to the Pentagon and domestic agencies.

It's a point that Republican leaders have hammered at again and again in an effort to move President Obama into responsible negotiations over keeping the Bush tax cuts.

In an exclusive interview Monday, Sen. Jeff Sessions, the ranking Republican member of the Budget Committee, told Newsmax that keeping the cuts are essential to preventing another recession.

“It looks like there will not be a vote until after the election, but I can’t say that for certain — but it certainly looks like that,” predicted Sessions. “That’s not healthy because we need certainty in our tax rate. There’s far too much uncertainty in our financial condition in America today.”

Last week, House Speaker John Boehner called on Congress and the White House to work out a long-term deficit deal and threatened not to raise the nation’s debt ceiling next year unless a greater amount of spending cuts is enacted.

But Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has said that Obama is not behaving like an "adult" on negotiations to stave off the fiscal disaster.

McConnell said that without Mr. Obama taking action, nothing can be done regarding debt. "Look, without presidential leadership, nothing is, can be accomplished," he said. "We didn't have presidential leadership last year. It's pretty clear the president's not going to lead on this any time soon.

"We don't control the entire government," McConnell added. "We control the House of Representatives only. We'd like to do something about the nation's biggest problem — spending and debt, which is, of course, the reason for this economic melees and this high unemployment — and whenever the president is willing to engage, we're ready to go."

CBO's report says immediate tax increases and spending cuts would "represent an additional drag on the weak economic expansion."

CBO is the respected nonpartisan agency of Congress that produces economic analysis and estimates of the cost of legislation.

“Given the pattern of past recessions as identified by the National Bureau of Economic Research, such a contraction in output in the first half of 2013 would probably be judged to be a recession,” the report states. A recession is technically defined as two economic quarters of negative economic growth.

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  • Roblem BN-0 2012/05/23 16:49:18
    NO, we do not need those tax cuts to prevent us from going into a recession.
    Roblem BN-0
    +1
    because we have already been in a recession WITH those tax cuts in place. So, it won't matter. What will matter is if the banskters are allowed to continue with their vapor gambling.

    The people who really need tax cuts are those that are making less than 50K per year!!
  • BIG BAD... Roblem ... 2012/05/24 18:52:18
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    +1
    Yes, But you won't see that happen except in your dreams
  • Roblem ... BIG BAD... 2012/05/24 18:54:49
    Roblem BN-0
    Just like my dream of publicly funded elections.......................
  • BIG BAD... Roblem ... 2012/05/25 13:14:57
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    That's not a dream that's a nightmare
  • Roblem ... BIG BAD... 2012/05/25 21:49:10
    Roblem BN-0
    I disagree 100%. If we can eliminate big money influence over our politicians we may actually get that country back that everybody seems to want. Unless of course you like having a corporate run America? I sure don't.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/05/23 15:28:08 (edited)
    NO, we do not need those tax cuts to prevent us from going into a recession.
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +1
    Reagan was able to lower the US Misery Index steadily with a Top Marginal Tax Rate of 50% (That's 10.5% HIGHER than what Obama wants, btw.)

    In 1987, he lowered the TMTR to 38.5% and the Misery index went UP to 9.84

    In 1988 he lowered the TMTR to 28% and the Misery Index went UP again to 10.9 and then 11.1 by 1990

    GHW Bush raised the TMTR to 31% and the Misery Index began decreasing again.

    What does that tell you, Copernicus?

    The answer is simple. Consumer spending grows the economy. Higher taxes force spending at both the individual and corporate level as taxpayers seek write-offs. If you've ever filed anything other than a 1040EZ you'd know that. Using the links provided below you can make your own chart. The Misery Index is low when the TMTR is high. It comes out the same every time.

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.or...
    http://www.miseryindex.us/ind...

    PS: The lowest Misery Index EVER was in 1953: Misery Index: 2.97. TMTR: 92%
  • Grabitz 2012/05/23 15:16:50
    NO, we do not need those tax cuts to prevent us from going into a recession.
    Grabitz
    Hmm , If the tax cuts sent us in a recession which we did have after the cuts then why keep it ? It did no good , its not the cuts its all the outsourcing that did China and American corporation a world of good with record profits , but did absolutely nothing good for the people of this country . Do we take it back or do we keep letting corporation sell it ? Do we do whats good for the people or what is good for corporation ? Corporation is no longer American .
  • sjalan 2012/05/23 15:16:15
    Undecided
    sjalan
    +1
    The Republicans should have thought of all these things in 2002 and 2005 when they introduced the tax cuts in the first place. But No they just wanted to make their money bags 1%er's happy.

    Additionally, the Republicans should have thought of these things when they stonewalled the "super committee" on and allowed the automatic reductions to go into place.

    Seems the Republicans don't think ahead very much at all.

    The Republican leaders have stonewalled on the only thing stoping the President on any form of negotiations that is tax increases for the rich and a freeze of increases on the middle class and poor.

    This blog is a farce and not only misrepresents the real facts but lies about what is really going on and that it is the real fault of the Republican Party that we are in this mess as it is.
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/24 15:11:52
    Bill
    {This blog is a farce and not only misrepresents the real facts }
    ??? You mean that the CBO is lying, not the blog, right?

    http://www.cbo.gov/publicatio...
  • sjalan Bill 2012/05/24 15:27:15
    sjalan
    The real facts are that the country is caught in a catch22 position right now. Allow them to lapse and you kill the economy. Keep them and there is not enough income to keep the debt in check. Keep them and the rich get richer at the expense of the middle class and poor.

    There was a time when the rich would follow a thing called pride in ones country. Instead somewhere in the 1980's that got lost and the winner takes all attitude took over. It is really hard for the rich to see an end to their free ride. But I'll tell ya, that free ride for the rich is over and it will come to an end, or the citizens who are affected the most, once they realize what is happening, will tear them down to the corner stones of our nation, killing the economic machine that supports us all. I'd say 2014 will be a year of revolt if Romney is elected. If he is, by the fall of 2013 if he carries out his what little we know of his plan, he better hide in a bunker under the WH cause the people are going to want to lynch him.
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/24 15:37:37
    Bill
    Ah, just as in Greece and Spain and France and Portugal and other European countries (excluding Germany, of course) who cover their people and spoil them cradle to grave. Do you really think a free ride out of concern for the so-called "poor" is going to SAVE this country? I would be in favor of a FAIR or flat tax and dropping the rates and elimination loop holes and cutting some programs to get us out from under this $16T debt. Now Obama wants more?

    Remember this? (I love it...)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • sjalan Bill 2012/05/24 15:48:31
    sjalan
    Yep excluding Germany, where the industrialist and the unions have learned to get along to benefit ALL parties involve. The Corportions in Germany pay well and get a lot back in return. And it is not cradle to grave. People in Germany have a tremendous amount of input to the processes of the companies they work in, for and with.

    I already purposed many times that the best way to solve this problem since the bought and paid for Supreme Court as seen fit to make corporations citizens, Fine, treat them like citizens. Eliminate ALL corportion tax law, and make corporations single heads of household. and eliminate all tax deductions completely one everyone. NO EXCEPTIONS. Then tax everyone at the same rate and collect all out the individuals checks or in the case of corporations, monthly out of the receipts on sales of goods and service. No deductions for salaries, lunches, cars NOTHING! PERIOD! Right off the top. OH TOO, that's ALL OF the corporations income worldwide. Yep Right OFF THE TOP>

    Then corporations will see how the middle class and poor survive.
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/24 19:27:15
    Bill
    O.K. Let's also start taxing the bottom 58% also. Right now, they pay no Federal Income Tax while the top 1% pay about 40% of ALL Federal Income Tax. Sounds fair. Right off the top...EVERYONE pays even at a lower progressive tax rate, which they already enjoy.

    While unions are not considered "people", they act as such. Here are just TWO examples of the union contributions to Democrats and there are so many more. Why can't the Republicans take advantage of the non-union (corporate) finances available to them? It only seems fair. Ed Schultz always launches a tirade against corporate funding but NEVER complains about the 10's of millions of dollars going to the Dems. from the unions. Ironically, thet money goes to Dems. almost 100% of the time.

    American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees
    http://www.opensecrets.org/or...
    National Education Assn: Totals
    http://www.opensecrets.org/or...

    {Then corporations will see how the middle class and poor survive.}
    Don't blame the corporations. The House make the tax laws, including Charlie Rangel. They created these loop holes and deductions as cost of business expenses. Unions exploit these "laws" too.

    Vote Walker 2012
  • sjalan Bill 2012/05/24 22:53:21
    sjalan
    So now you would add the burdon of Federal income tax to the bottom 58% when they already pay state and local taxes? AND on top of that, it now appears (reference Arizona) more than 400000 will no longer be eligable for the Medicaid program there. etc.

    So this is not about ability to pay but "in fairness" put more of a burdon on the middle class and poor??? Yep that is exactly what your talking about. You do realize, placing that additional burdon on the middle class and poor will lower the amount of goods sold in the US by an equal percentage actually more because when goods stop being sold the people employed to sell them and produce them will be laid off as demand drops.

    Again, you forget just as in physics for every action there is an opposit and equal reaction. In the case of taxing the middle class and poor you reduce the amout of retail sales.

    As for corporations, Well I'm going to come up with a new name for them, now that they are considered by SCOTUS under the Citizens United decision. "single head of household" sounds good on the tax return. Eliminate all corporate tax law and no deductions other than those of a normal "single head of household" sounds good to me. Oh and too. Boost that top tax rate back to the 39.7% it was under Clinton. Yeah that really sounds good to me.
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/25 13:09:50
    Bill
    Don't even begin to tell me about the poor. They get a hell of a lot more out of the system than they put in.

    You're worried about the poor? Obama isn't. He just wants his own way. Here is something from the HuffPo...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
    Texas Looks To Fund Medicaid Women's Health Program Without Federal Funds
    AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Republican Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday directed state officials to begin looking for MONEY to keep the Medicaid Women's Health Program, even if the Obama administration REVOKES federal funding amid a fight over clinics affiliated with abortion providers.

    But pulling that off will be no mean feat: The program COSTS about $40 MILLION and the federal government currently covers 90 percent of that.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/...
    Obama Pulls Texas Medicaid Funds Over Planned Parenthood De-Funding
    Almost immediately, the Obama administration threatened to pull Medicaid from Texas if funding wasn’t reinstated for the abortion giant. Texas refused, and in turn, the Obama administration decided last week to yank the annual $40,000,000 Texas received for its Medicaid program, beginning in March. This also results in another $17,000,000 loss to Planned Parenthood of Texas.

    So, Obama doesn't like Texas defunding Planned Parenthood so he cuts $40M in...















    Don't even begin to tell me about the poor. They get a hell of a lot more out of the system than they put in.

    You're worried about the poor? Obama isn't. He just wants his own way. Here is something from the HuffPo...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
    Texas Looks To Fund Medicaid Women's Health Program Without Federal Funds
    AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Republican Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday directed state officials to begin looking for MONEY to keep the Medicaid Women's Health Program, even if the Obama administration REVOKES federal funding amid a fight over clinics affiliated with abortion providers.

    But pulling that off will be no mean feat: The program COSTS about $40 MILLION and the federal government currently covers 90 percent of that.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/...
    Obama Pulls Texas Medicaid Funds Over Planned Parenthood De-Funding
    Almost immediately, the Obama administration threatened to pull Medicaid from Texas if funding wasn’t reinstated for the abortion giant. Texas refused, and in turn, the Obama administration decided last week to yank the annual $40,000,000 Texas received for its Medicaid program, beginning in March. This also results in another $17,000,000 loss to Planned Parenthood of Texas.

    So, Obama doesn't like Texas defunding Planned Parenthood so he cuts $40M in Medicaid and thereby hurting all of the other needy women in the state. His compassion and caring for the poor and needy sucks, big time. He's an arm-twister but he doesn't twist Rick Perry's arm directly, he intimidates him by cutting Medicaid for the poor to try to create political pressure on him.

    Placing an additional burden on business causes them not to hire, maybe layoff people, not expand and look to foreign countries to save money. Look at G.E.

    http://www.financialperspecti...
    1. General Electric (GE)
    Untaxed foreign profit: $94 billion
    Tax Haven: US
    Strategy: An army of 1000 former IRS accountants keeps GE’s taxes near zero

    http://richjerkquoteoftheweek...
    Jeffrey Immelt, who since being appointed by President Obama as "Jobs Czar" has presided over an unemployment rate that has not dipped below 9% and who, as CEO of GE eliminated or outsourced more than 30,000 U.S. jobs, ten thousand of them union jobs.

    Jeffrey Immelt is Obama as "Jobs Czar" ???
    G.E. has BILLIONS in untaxed foreign profits???
    This is the compassionate and "fairness" president???
    Laughable.
    (more)
  • sjalan Bill 2012/05/25 17:56:25 (edited)
    sjalan
    Yep and guess what, Texas cut 100% funding to the Planned Parenthood program which provides 97% of its funding to Well see the graph.

    texas cut 100 funding planned parenthood program 97 funding graph

    And by the way, it wasn't Obama that cut the Medicaid funding to Texas, They did that themselves by failing ot meet federal guidelines established LONG BEFORE President Obama took office.

    I absolutele agree that GE is getting a free ride, I guess you didn't bother to read the rest of my post. Tax them all as single head of household and included everything that is in their balance sheet as income, foreign and domestic.

    A US based and originated company cannot avoid taxes from foreign investments and sales is they own it under what I have purposed many times in these forums.

    Talk to your Republican House Representatives! See if they will RAISE the taxes or change the TAX CODE to tax these offshore profits. NOPE. They won't do it. SO how is it Obama's fault when it is the House Republicans that make tax policy and won't go after these profits?? IT"S NOT OBAMA'S FAULT AT ALL. It is the fault of the Republicans that are owned lock, stock and barrel by the super rich including at least two members of the SCOTUS!!

    ASK THEM!!!! Dare ya. I have! Know the answer I got? "We Can't"

    My answer to that is Bull Pukie
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/25 18:07:21
    Bill
    If Planned Parenthood promised to stop funding abortions, maybe they could get their money for the other services. Why should the state(s) pay for that.

    Don't tell me they don't push the abortion option to it's fullest extent. I've had indirect experience with them over 30 years ago (1977). They're no good.

    http://www.catholicvote.org/d...
    In other words, 96.3% of Planned Parenthood’s services to pregnant women in 2008 were abortions, and the other 3.7% were adoptions and prenatal care.
    Keep these charts in mind the next time someone tries to tell you that Planned Parenthood clinics also promote adoption and provide prenatal services.
    shpla
  • sjalan Bill 2012/05/25 18:27:37
    sjalan
    NOT TRUE AT ALL> This is a RCC LIE!! A total misrepresentation of the real facts of the Budget of Planned Parenthood.

    The chart I posted above is from the PP annual report reposted by The Washington Post.

    I suggest you research your sources and exactly what the representation is before you post them.
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/25 19:29:48 (edited)
  • Bill sjalan 2012/05/25 19:47:58 (edited)
    Bill
    {They did that themselves by failing ot meet federal guidelines }
    What "federal guidelines" say that Texas must fund Planned Parenthood? If you can find it, please give me a link or say nothing about it.

    {A US based and originated company cannot avoid taxes from foreign investments and sales is they own it under what I have purposed many times in these forums. }
    Your proposals mean nothing to them nor Obama. It is what it is. The corporations pay limited taxes in foreign companies. That is why G.E.'s Immelt is going to China and Ireland. LOL And he is Obama's JOBS Czar. Google Immelt and jobs and outsourcing and taxes etcetera. It's a laugh riot. And Obama puts UP WITH THIS CRAP? Do you really think he cares? He gets G.E. money. That's it and it's easy to see. It would be like ME making you my "Anti-PP Czar." Ridiculous.

    {Talk to your Republican House Representatives!...}
    I'd love to talk to them AND the Dems. Do you think this was created ex nihllo when the Reps. got in power? Eisenhower had a 90% tax rate on the rich. Both the Dems and the Reps put in the loop holes to protect them. No one paid that 90% rate. Do you really think that the Dems were immune from lobbyists and their influence? At least I can admit the Reps did it. Why can't you see and admit that the Dems do it too.
  • Jeff Smith 2012/05/23 15:07:43
    Undecided
    Jeff Smith
    We didn't have a President last year and we won't have one this year Obama hasn't been a President since his inauguration all he's done is drugs and party on America's dime typical Black trash party head wanna be dictator. With an inferiority complex and little dick syndrome.
  • Schläue~© 2012/05/23 15:03:14
    Yes, we need those tax cuts to prevent us from going into a recession.
    Schläue~©
    +2
    Roll back the ridiculous EPA red tape, open Federal lands to reclaim our OWN natural resources, eliminate the mountain of legislation that prevents businesses from being competitive and cut the corporate tax rate to 25%.

    THAT, will bring manufacturing back to the USA and get us out of this mess.
  • BIG BAD JOHN R. 2012/05/23 14:52:03
    Yes, we need those tax cuts to prevent us from going into a recession.
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    They are still playing with the future of America.

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