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Are you a Sheeple? Take the Sheeple Quiz and find out!

Brian 2012/08/21 02:58:31
If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sheeple.
If you answered "A" 10 times or more...   You are a total news-watching, gullible fairytale swallowing Sheeple!
If you answered "A" fewer than 10 times...   You are sadly Sheeple-minded but there is hope for your rescue.
If you answered "A" fewer than 5 times...   You are an unusually intelligent free-minded thinker who questions the world around you and doesn't buy into the usual propaganda.
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#1) The purpose of the mainstream media is to:

A) Keep you informed.
B) Feed you misinformation while keeping you distracted from the real issues our world is facing.

#2) Social Security is:

A) A financial safety net that makes sure people have a retirement income.
B) A government-run Ponzi scheme that requires more and more people to keep paying in just to stay afloat and will ultimately collapse into total bankruptcy.

#3) The fluoride dripped into municipal water supplies is:

A) A naturally-occurring mineral.
B) An industrial chemical waste byproduct.

#4) When you donate money to find the cure for cancer, that money goes:

A) To fund research programs that assess actual cancer cures for the purpose of freely sharing them with the public.
B) To fund mammogram campaigns that actually irradiate women's breasts, causing the very cancers that earn huge profits for the cancer treatment industry.

#5) The national debt is:

A) Under control and will be paid off in a few years.
B) Out of control and will spiral into a runaway debt collapse.

#6) GMOs will:

A) Feed the world and prevent starvation.
B) Threaten the future of life on our planet through genetic contamination and widespread crop failures.

#7) The FDA protects:

A) The people from dangerous medicines.
B) The financial interests of the drug companies.

#8) The EPA's real agenda is to:

A) Protect the environment.
B) Protect the financial interests of the chemical companies whose toxic products destroy the environment.

#9) The Federal Reserve functions to:

A) Stabilize the economy and keep America strong.
B) Loot the economy and control America's economy for the interests of the few.

#10) The purpose of TSA checkpoints at airports is to:

A) Keep air passengers safe and secure.
B) Indoctrinate Americans into surrendering to police state invasions of their privacy.

#11) The practical function of the U.S. Supreme Court is to:

A) Protect the constitutional rights of the citizens.
B) Legitimize federal tyranny over the People by ignoring the Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

#12) Vaccines are based on:

A) Gold standard science that conclusively proves their safety and effectiveness.
B) Quackery and fraud combined with a persistent medical mythology that utterly lacks a factual basis.

#13) Herbs and superfoods:

A) Are medically useless and cannot treat, prevent or cure any disease.
B) Contain powerful plant-based medicines that can help reverse and prevent disease.

#14) In Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq, America:

A) Led a humanitarian effort to save innocent people from tyranny.
B) Waged an illegal imperialist war to occupy foreign nations and control their oil.

#15) The U.S. Bill of Rights

A) Grants you rights and freedoms.
B) Merely acknowledges the rights and freedoms you already possess.

The Bonus Question.
#16) Do you still believe that 911 was a terrorist attack?
A)Yes
B)No, it was an inside job by the New world order scumbags!

Score your Sheeple Quiz


To score your Sheeple Quiz, simply count the number of times you answered "A" to the questions above.

If you answered "A" 10 times or more...

You are a total news-watching, gullible fairytale swallowing Sheeple! Be sure to keep taking those medications and watching more network news. Don't bother thinking for yourself because you seem to be incapable of accomplishing that.

If you answered "A" fewer than 10 times...

You are sadly Sheeple-minded but there is hope for your rescue. Learn more about the world around you and train yourself to think critically so you can depart from the herd mentality.

If you answered "A" fewer than 5 times...

You are an unusually intelligent free-minded thinker who questions the world around you and doesn't buy into the usual propaganda. You still got suckered on a few items, so there's more yet to learn. But you're on the right track!

If you answered "A" exactly zero times...

You are the complete opposite of a Sheeple. You're independent minded, well informed and probably a regular reader of NaturalNews.com. Stay on track and question events in the world around you. Eat more superfoods to maintain your healthy immune system and cognitive function. Avoid the toxic chemicals in foods, medicines and lawn care products. Keep reading the alternative press and voice your intelligent views to others willing to listen. (But don't waste your time on those who aren't.)
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  • FatherLiberty 2012/08/22 17:33:46 (edited)
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    FatherLiberty
    +7
    The elite system of control does not work on me. Their entertainment world wont distract me from their crimes. I seek out the truth through hours of research everyday. I make FOIA requests on a daily basis. I get hold of every document I can. I read the legislation our politicians dont.I track and trace the actions and policy suggestions of the secretive political councils and its members. If they want to achieve their goals of a New World Order and total control over the lives of everyone, they will have to kill me first.

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  • Dan ☮ R... Anonymo... 2012/08/21 21:20:02
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    I'm not too sure if the multiple currency idea will work, but I am always for diversifying portfolios. But I'd also make sure you diversify between money and physical assets including gold and silver.

    But the main reason reckless banks that cause these problems can exist is government assistance - the federal reserve garenteeing accounts up to a certain amount (I forget the current amount) and the government bailing out major banks when they are in trouble. Remove these protections, and banks have an incentive to be careful, and the people have an incentive to invest in stable and nor risky banks.
  • Anonymo... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/21 21:30:46
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I don't see why you would need to. They can secure their currency in any way they wish, they could pin it to the dollar, have a gold standard or a basket of commodities. People would choose whatever currency is best and most stable, which would prevent inflation in the dollar, make banks be more careful, and end the monopoly of the dollar. Government control of the money supply isn't a good thing...
  • Dan ☮ R... Anonymo... 2012/08/22 03:47:11
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    "Government control of the money supply isn't a good thing..." we agree here. It puts too much power in the hands of too few people. But then again I dont think the federal reserve is government run. Congress has trouble getting them to do anything.
  • Anonymo... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/22 08:18:15
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    No it's not government run. It's slightly better over here, the Bank of England creates the money and is fully owned by the government, so it can control them. But what this would do is naturally lower rates for loans and raise rates for savings, because the government isn't loaning them money, they're creating it.
  • Rick Armin Anonymo... 2012/08/23 22:24:39
    Rick Armin
    +1
    You say England owns the bank??? When did this happen? Since the days of the British East India Company, the Bank has owned England. Until after the Napoleonic Wars, Baring Brothers owned the bank, but sometime after the wars it was taken over by the Rothschilds. To the best of my knowledge, the Queen is still not allowed to enter the “City” without permission of the Mayor and I believe he must accompany her. Of course, it's possible England “owns” the bank in the same way our government “owns” the “Federal” Reserve.

    I don't claim to be an expert, but I think you both have very little knowledge of how the banking system works. At least it would appear that way from what you've written. I made an attempt to describe it in my blog. What I wrote is nothing important, but the quotes I included by Jefferson, a man who knew the consequences of giving the bankers control of the money supply, are.
    http://phreedomphan-americase...

    There is a gold mine of info on the history of banking at the site below. There are a couple of good books on the front page.
    http://www.yamaguchy.com

    To tap the mother lode, scroll half way down and click the picture on the left or enter the url below to go directly.
    http://www.yamaguchy.com/inde...

    A disadvantage is that you'll have to do some work to...
    You say England owns the bank??? When did this happen? Since the days of the British East India Company, the Bank has owned England. Until after the Napoleonic Wars, Baring Brothers owned the bank, but sometime after the wars it was taken over by the Rothschilds. To the best of my knowledge, the Queen is still not allowed to enter the “City” without permission of the Mayor and I believe he must accompany her. Of course, it's possible England “owns” the bank in the same way our government “owns” the “Federal” Reserve.

    I don't claim to be an expert, but I think you both have very little knowledge of how the banking system works. At least it would appear that way from what you've written. I made an attempt to describe it in my blog. What I wrote is nothing important, but the quotes I included by Jefferson, a man who knew the consequences of giving the bankers control of the money supply, are.
    http://phreedomphan-americase...

    There is a gold mine of info on the history of banking at the site below. There are a couple of good books on the front page.
    http://www.yamaguchy.com

    To tap the mother lode, scroll half way down and click the picture on the left or enter the url below to go directly.
    http://www.yamaguchy.com/inde...

    A disadvantage is that you'll have to do some work to save the books to your own files. Most have to be copied and pasted to your WP chapter by chapter.
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  • Anonymo... Rick Armin 2012/08/23 22:30:15 (edited)
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    The government owns a majority share in the bank. That's because we allow them to... They own all the money created for the government, that's for sure... I do have a knowledge of the banking system, just not the intricacies... Banking doesn't interest me that much... but I am aware that they create money short term, I find the Austrian Economic theory of booms and busts interesting, where busts occur when the boom of the bank's credit disappears... However, what is your idea to prevent need to bail out banks and keep them in line and sort out the problems with the banking system's power?
  • Rick Armin Anonymo... 2012/08/23 23:01:41
    Rick Armin
    +1
    I couldn't tell you the answer for England, but for us it would start with restoring the issuance of money to Congress in accordance with our Constitution. The national debt, artificially created, would have to be written off. It would have to be done in such a way as to do as little harm as possible to the innocent victims. I don't know how this could be done, but I would be willing to study the issue and make recommendations for a paltry consulting fee of $250,000/hour. In the end, it would probably be in the interest of justice to hang the bankers who have perpetrated horrendous crimes against humanity.
  • Anonymo... Rick Armin 2012/08/23 23:11:32
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    What about the idea of competing currencies in the country? Any comapny or bank can create a currency, and if people trust the company's ability to secure the money supply they'll use their money. Force banks and the government to be more careful lest their currency loses its popularity. The national debt's an interesting one, Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the government borrow from the people, then borrow from the IMF and banks to pay back the people who now have to pay off the debt themselves again?
  • Rick Armin Anonymo... 2012/08/24 00:33:12
    Rick Armin
    +1
    Multiple bank issued currency is no solution. The banks are still manufacturing money on which they can charge interest. Then, too, is the old economic rule that bad money drives good money out of circulation. People will hoard good money and use the junk. Besides, you're still allowing a select group of people to counterfeit money and reap the rewards.

    Again, there is plenty of damned good monetary theory and history at yamaguchy. I spent 40 years fighting TPTB. You're young. It's time for you to do some work. It might help you reject some of the propaganda you get in schools.

    As regards national debt, Wilson created the Federal Reserve and the debt based currency. The more we owe, the greater the transfer of our wealth to the bankers. But we had to have a means to repay the bankers. That was the graduated income tax. It was sold as a scheme to redistribute the wealth of the super rich to the poor, but, in
    fact, it was a scheme to redistribute the wealth of the middle class to the rich.

    One more element was needed to get the debt ball rolling. That was our entry into WWI. Creation of government debt has long been a motivator for war.

    Back to alternate currencies. Our Department of (in)Justice deems it a crime for an American to issue currency that competes with t...

    Multiple bank issued currency is no solution. The banks are still manufacturing money on which they can charge interest. Then, too, is the old economic rule that bad money drives good money out of circulation. People will hoard good money and use the junk. Besides, you're still allowing a select group of people to counterfeit money and reap the rewards.

    Again, there is plenty of damned good monetary theory and history at yamaguchy. I spent 40 years fighting TPTB. You're young. It's time for you to do some work. It might help you reject some of the propaganda you get in schools.

    As regards national debt, Wilson created the Federal Reserve and the debt based currency. The more we owe, the greater the transfer of our wealth to the bankers. But we had to have a means to repay the bankers. That was the graduated income tax. It was sold as a scheme to redistribute the wealth of the super rich to the poor, but, in
    fact, it was a scheme to redistribute the wealth of the middle class to the rich.

    One more element was needed to get the debt ball rolling. That was our entry into WWI. Creation of government debt has long been a motivator for war.

    Back to alternate currencies. Our Department of (in)Justice deems it a crime for an American to issue currency that competes with the fraudulent Federal Reserve Notes. They put one in jail even though his money was possibly better than any we ever printed or minted.

    http://lostliberty1.wordpress...
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  • Anonymo... Rick Armin 2012/08/24 00:39:19
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    The legal tender laws are stupid. Band we don't get taught anything about finance in school, I've had to look it up. So do you want to have just the government print money? Because that comes with its own very large problems.
  • Yarmulka Rick Armin 2013/01/09 03:46:44
    Yarmulka
    +3
    When one quotes a person, he should state when and to whom the person said what the "quoter" claims. The typical gas-bag simply states that Armstrong said that the Moon is made of cheese; and if someone dares to question the validity, the gas-bags becomes indignant......

    The mother-load is not there (that is just the "other" drawer); the mother-load is here--
    http://www.yamaguchy.com/libr...

    http://www.yamaguchy.com/libr...

    http://www.yamaguchy.com/libr...

    ======
    http://name789.wordpress.com
  • Rick Armin Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/22 00:25:44
    Rick Armin
    +2
    SS has always been bad. It was a scheme from the beginning to get the people dependent on the government. A people dependent on the government is a people controlled by the government.
  • Beccy 2012/08/21 17:25:45
    If you answered "A" fewer than 10 times... You are sadly Sheeple-minded but...
    Beccy
    I only missed one. Interesting test.
  • Lanikai 2012/08/21 17:20:16
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    Lanikai
    +1
    I will bnever be a sheeple./
  • Brian Lanikai 2012/08/21 17:35:16
    Brian
    +1
    Amen Sister!
  • ☆WillThompson☆ 2012/08/21 16:06:06
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    ☆WillThompson☆
    +2
    I chose to exclude myself from being a sheeple. By not answering the questions of a biased survey that in itself leads sheeple, I side-stepped becoming a sheeple. While I may agree with some of your thoughts, and you may have wrote this while upset, if you truly wanted to get back at some narrow minded liberal you would have been better served to have a more accurate written test. For example: question two would have been better written with the same "A" but a different "B" (e.g. An outdated government funded program initiated in the early 20th century meant to supplement an American citizens retirement. Key words being "Outdated" and Supplement".
    I meant no dis-respect by my comments. My opinions are my opinions only, and nothing more. I just feel that to better educate people that we do not need to stoop to the level that others play at.
  • Ron 2012/08/21 15:54:10
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    Ron
    +1
    The main stream media are a bunch of Liberal ass kissing suck ups and they are even to stupid to realize what a bunch of ass kisser they are. The media used to be the keepers of truth, Justice, and the American way something to respect. Now they are just bottom feeding slugs of society, lower than used car salesmen and Congress. My how far the profession has fallen in such a short time.
  • mac9 2012/08/21 15:53:10
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    mac9
    +2
    No Sheep here. All are awake and fighting these morons in the WH.
  • Brian mac9 2012/08/21 16:23:24
    Brian
    +2
    In all realty it's not the ones in the WH.
    It is the ones behind the curtain that is calling all the shoots to the morons in the WH. nwo scumbags nwo scumbags
    building 7
  • Dan der Mensch 2012/08/21 15:26:55
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    Dan der Mensch
    +2
    This was easy - like a public school test. I just went straight down and avoided "A". : )
  • Brian Dan der... 2012/08/21 16:26:20
    Brian
    lol with that said go back to #16.
    Now are you awake to the 911 deception?
    Blessings!
  • Dan der... Brian 2012/08/21 17:25:28
    Dan der Mensch
    +1
    No I'm still sleeping on that one.
  • Phantom 2012/08/21 15:07:44
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    Phantom
    And where do you get your misinformation. Is it Hannity? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Sarah Palin?? Or maybe Ann Coulter?
  • Brian Phantom 2012/08/21 15:21:44 (edited)
    Brian
    Not at all, they are all NWO ringleader puppets! nwo scumbags
  • irish -liberty or death! 2012/08/21 13:39:35
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    irish -liberty or death!
    +3
    a born cynic could NEVER be a sheeple.
  • Brian irish -... 2012/08/21 13:42:20
  • irish -... Brian 2012/08/21 13:44:17
    irish -liberty or death!
    +2
    LOL its true brian!!LOL
  • Rick Armin irish -... 2012/08/21 15:37:52
    Rick Armin
    +1
    I'm a sheeple and I'm proud!

    Internet mutation
  • Brian Rick Armin 2012/08/21 15:40:14
    Brian
    I am as well!
    black sheep
  • Autarchic 2012/08/21 13:15:03
    If you answered "A" exactly zero times, You are the complete opposite of a Sh...
    Autarchic
    +3
    Understanderable!
  • John "By God" American 2012/08/21 12:48:20
    If you answered "A" 10 times or more... You are a total news-watching, gull...
    John "By God" American
    +3
    OH NO!!!
    home alone
  • Brian John "B... 2012/08/21 12:53:55
    Brian
    +3
    What?
    Ok Brother here is your prize! lol
    sheeple prize
    And your free subscription to sheeple magazine. http://rense.com/1.imagesH/sh... brother prize lol free subscription sheeple magazine httprense com1 imageshsh http://images.topix.com/galle... http://images.topix.com/galle...
  • John "B... Brian 2012/08/21 12:57:58
    John "By God" American
    +4
    Hurry, dagnamit!! Get me an anti-sheeple pill!!!!
  • Brian John "B... 2012/08/21 13:09:23
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/21 12:39:39
    If you answered "A" fewer than 5 times... You are an unusually intelligent ...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Most of the "B" choices below reflect the bad effects of policies that seemed to have a good intent--but nobody checked those bad effects, and that leads one to question the intent.

    Nevertheless, I cannot accept the notion that "no external enemies exist." That's far too simple. To believe that no external enemies exist, or would exist but for American intervention, is no more realistic than to assume that anyone who gets elected President, or to Congress, or gets appointed as a judge, is automatically trustworthy.

    The "powers that be" do not have a back-step time machine that they could use to plant incriminating texts into sacred documents that someone wrote 1400 years ago. In fact, God Himself warned us about Muslims. Of Ishmael, their progenitor, He said: "A real wise guy he will be, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him."

    And what do the Muslims say? "Fight." More than that, "Fight and kill the non-believers wherever you find them." It's in the Koran. Look it up.
  • Dan ☮ R... Temlako... 2012/08/21 13:04:52
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    No one is saying external enemies dont exist, just that our government and other major power centers of society have been infiltrated (education, corporations, media, etc).
    And the last time I spoke with a muslim, there were no clauses in the koran to just kill all non-believers, that calls for killing people are war time clauses. I'm inclined to believe that as many muslim nations do accept religions that dont offend Islam. Even Iran has one of the higher populations of Jewish people (last time I checked, in the top 30 countries for Jewish population). I'm not going to defend all of their laws, as some are ridiculous (like being sentenced to death for converting from islam to another religion), but muslims arent as bad as many people make them out to be.

    But if you want to bring up the extremists that seem to be getting installed in Egypt, Libya, and so on, then I agree that they are terrible groups. That same muslim that told me that their "kill infidel" clause was only for war time, also condemned Al Qaeda and other extremists. Although its difficult to say whether this is an external or internal with all the evidence that the US government is aiding such extremist groups, and created many like Al Qaeda.

    But regardless, there is little reason to fear external threats. Real ext...
    No one is saying external enemies dont exist, just that our government and other major power centers of society have been infiltrated (education, corporations, media, etc).
    And the last time I spoke with a muslim, there were no clauses in the koran to just kill all non-believers, that calls for killing people are war time clauses. I'm inclined to believe that as many muslim nations do accept religions that dont offend Islam. Even Iran has one of the higher populations of Jewish people (last time I checked, in the top 30 countries for Jewish population). I'm not going to defend all of their laws, as some are ridiculous (like being sentenced to death for converting from islam to another religion), but muslims arent as bad as many people make them out to be.

    But if you want to bring up the extremists that seem to be getting installed in Egypt, Libya, and so on, then I agree that they are terrible groups. That same muslim that told me that their "kill infidel" clause was only for war time, also condemned Al Qaeda and other extremists. Although its difficult to say whether this is an external or internal with all the evidence that the US government is aiding such extremist groups, and created many like Al Qaeda.

    But regardless, there is little reason to fear external threats. Real external threats are obvious and easy to attack/retaliate against. Internal threats are the problem, because they come to you as a friend, they wear your colors, and can engage in many more forms of attacks (propaganda, legislative, and so on), and may never be perceived as an enemy.
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  • Temlako... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/21 20:25:19
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    First of all, the Koran has four different words for strategic lying in advance of the faith.

    Second, Islam might be in a war for its soul. And the soul of Islam is still in the hands of those who put this into the Koran:

    "Fight and slay the infidels wheresoever ye find them." Surah 9:5. Ask your Muslim friend about that one.

    Third, I think you need to re-evaluate your complacent acceptance of Iran as a tolerant nation-state. Two of its leaders have boasted that they will wipe Israel off the map.

    Now about Al-Qaeda: the worst you can say about the US government's role in the formation of that group is that US intel officials foolishly created something that bit the hand of its creator. (That's one reason that I do *not* support any intervention in Syria. The rebels and the government deserve each other, and my advice to the innocents is: Get out--NOW--to any country that will take you in.)

    But you cannot show that those same officials gave that group a master plan to attack a center of commerce in a major US city upon a prearranged signal.
  • Dan ☮ R... Temlako... 2012/08/21 21:40:07 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    I cant exactly ask her now as I havent been in contact for a few years now (but I do think that was the war time clause she told me about), but I do wonder if these quotes from the Koran are being abused in the same way many bible verses like Romans 13 is to promote obedience to government when much of the bible includes resistance to tyranny. You cant just take a short quote out of any religious text. It has to be taken in full context. I will admit I havent had the time to read the entire book, but based on what I know of how some religious texts are misinterpreted, I am highly skeptical. And even if you are right, like muslims, Christians dont always 100% follow their religious texts. For example, take a look at usury

    "Two of its leaders have boasted that they will wipe Israel off the map."
    Yes and no. Last time I checked the official translation was close but inaccurate. He actually said something more along the lines of wiping the regime off the map, implying a problem with the government, not the people. Their true intentions however will be uncertain from all the translations out there muddying the water.
    I cant and will not take a side in that conflict if it does occur, for my principles and inability to determine who is telling the truth or not.
    Also, Ben Swann did a fai...









    I cant exactly ask her now as I havent been in contact for a few years now (but I do think that was the war time clause she told me about), but I do wonder if these quotes from the Koran are being abused in the same way many bible verses like Romans 13 is to promote obedience to government when much of the bible includes resistance to tyranny. You cant just take a short quote out of any religious text. It has to be taken in full context. I will admit I havent had the time to read the entire book, but based on what I know of how some religious texts are misinterpreted, I am highly skeptical. And even if you are right, like muslims, Christians dont always 100% follow their religious texts. For example, take a look at usury

    "Two of its leaders have boasted that they will wipe Israel off the map."
    Yes and no. Last time I checked the official translation was close but inaccurate. He actually said something more along the lines of wiping the regime off the map, implying a problem with the government, not the people. Their true intentions however will be uncertain from all the translations out there muddying the water.
    I cant and will not take a side in that conflict if it does occur, for my principles and inability to determine who is telling the truth or not.
    Also, Ben Swann did a fairly good review over this issue.


    As for whether or nor Al Qaeda has been controlled by the US, that is impossible to determine. Our government keeps far too many secrets from us for us to know every detail of their inner workings. Al Qaeda could have been a horrible mistake, or it could be a destabilization force strategically moved around to destabilize and give pretexts for wars (under Bush, they were the pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, and under Obama they may become the pretext to invade if the humanitarian rhetoric fails). All we do know is that the US created them, that they have been a destabilization force, and have been the perfect excuse for fascist/collectivist agenda. The question we dont know the answer to is whether:
    A) The government controls terrorists.
    B) The government is just full of opportunists taking advantage of the moment.
    C) Its purely accidental and the government is .
    or D) a mixture of the above.
    Personally, I say its a mix of all three.

    But my main concern at this moment is the fact that our resources are being used to aid Al Qaeda in Syria and were used in Libya.
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  • Temlako... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/21 22:22:14
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    The Romans 13 passage cannot cover Obama's actions, for a very good reason: he has disobeyed the Constitution. Similarly, Thomas Jefferson made the legal case against King George III, because *he* stood in violation of the social contract. And don't forget: "He has abdicated government here."

    I have more than just that one verse. I have lots of verses that permeate the Koran. All of them speak of fighting bloody wars against non-Muslims. They even say that at the end of time, the very trees will betray the enemies of Islam to the soldiers of Islam.

    I agree that we have no business climbing into bed with Al-Qaeda, anywhere in the world.

    But I sense that your ideal society would be a voluntary association of homesteaders, with no such thing as a common defense, or even dedicated law enforcement. I maintain that such a society will remain vulnerable to violent feuding within, and invasion from without. You will have to show me that the ideal society that you plan can deal effectively with criminals, saboteurs, and invaders.
  • Dan ☮ R... Temlako... 2012/08/21 23:49:45 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    In other words, Romans 13 only applies when the government is just. However, from what I'm hearing its been misinterpreted to be that government is basically of the lord and should not be disobeyed. At least that's what comes out of government owned 50c3 churches. More aware people will catch the propaganda but "sheep" for lack of a better term wont.

    As for the koran, I'll have to read it once I have the time. All I can say is that I'm skeptical for two reasons. One being possible mistranslations, and the other being out of context quotes. Both together can produce terrible misunderstandings. So for now I have to reserve judgement on who is right or wrong here.
    I would now but I'm focusing my efforts in learning about other groups.

    We can agree that we shouldnt be in bed with Al Qaeda. That we at least agree with. Regardless of the current and past relationship between the government and Al Qaeda, that is clear.

    As for law enforcement and common defense as called for in the preamble of the constitution, I'm for them, but only under strict checks and balances. Military should adhere to Posse Comitatus, only be deployed id authorized by congress, and only take orders from the president under crisis situations. Basically obey the constitution, Posse Comitatus, and the War Powers Act.

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    In other words, Romans 13 only applies when the government is just. However, from what I'm hearing its been misinterpreted to be that government is basically of the lord and should not be disobeyed. At least that's what comes out of government owned 50c3 churches. More aware people will catch the propaganda but "sheep" for lack of a better term wont.

    As for the koran, I'll have to read it once I have the time. All I can say is that I'm skeptical for two reasons. One being possible mistranslations, and the other being out of context quotes. Both together can produce terrible misunderstandings. So for now I have to reserve judgement on who is right or wrong here.
    I would now but I'm focusing my efforts in learning about other groups.

    We can agree that we shouldnt be in bed with Al Qaeda. That we at least agree with. Regardless of the current and past relationship between the government and Al Qaeda, that is clear.

    As for law enforcement and common defense as called for in the preamble of the constitution, I'm for them, but only under strict checks and balances. Military should adhere to Posse Comitatus, only be deployed id authorized by congress, and only take orders from the president under crisis situations. Basically obey the constitution, Posse Comitatus, and the War Powers Act.

    For police, they must be unconsolidated, subject to the same laws as all Americans and so on. In fact, police originally were just average citizens with special training and paid to clean up the streets. Their power came from the power of common law. Now we have special laws written for police, and special protections for them. I disagree with those because those shields aid in breeding corruption. But no, I'm not against the idea of organized citizens acting as peace officers. I'm only against corrupt ones.

    And of course, make sure all parties have proper training. Make sure the police are trained to know when to use their hands or weapons, and have proper constitutional training. All public servants should at the very least take and understand the oath of office.
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