Are we witnessing the END of the great American experiment?

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Are we witnessing the END of the great American experiment?

by atmer Posted October 12, 2009 16:48:53

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With the demise of the MIDDLE CLASS in America, is this the END of our Country as we know it? This is not intended to point blame at either party, but to discuss what we can do to reverse the trend in America.

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+10 raves Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, US... October 12, 2009 18:14:10

Answered: THIS is what we should do...
The Right-wing, Corporate-Fascist have about destroyed this country with their Greed and dumb fiscal tactics like Trickle-down Economics. It has been marginalized by the Bushie, Neo-conservative stooges of the Oil Lobby and the Pharmaceutical Lobby, and yes the Banking Lobby. We need to banish the Marginalized Right to their current constituents, the Neo-Nazis, Skin-heads, KKK and Right-wing Conservative Christian Whack-a-Doodles, Confederate Party.
Time to form the 3 new parties to give us a real choice with Social Justice and Humanity as a goal instead of the almighty green-back dollar. From right to left; Progressive-Democrats, Liberal-Democrats, Socialist-Democrats. We can fix the problems for Americans and make this the great nation our founding fathers envisioned us to become. A real government for the people, by the people, that cares about the people.
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Bren October 22, 2009 18:43:03

Answered: I'm afraid you are right...
Fascism has come to America and unless we regain control of our government there will be no more middle class. Can you hear my fingernails on the chalkboard as I slip into poverty?
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morning40oz~NeoRadical October 16, 2009 06:13:13

Answered: I'm afraid you are right...
The Great Experiment was shot down to Hell nearly 100 years ago. What we have been witnessing today and for generations is the result of the great sellout of our country. We have neither been a republic nor a democracy for decades and every administration, whether they wore a red tie or blue, touted liberalism or conservatism has been complicit in the Great Fleecing of this public.
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atmer to morning... October 16, 2009 13:44:11

I do believe that is the FIRST rave I have EVER given you!
morning... to atmer October 17, 2009 07:54:30

I'm full of surprises. I haven't seen much of you lately.
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1169888 October 16, 2009 02:12:00

Answered: I'm afraid you are right...
Wer can never move back into the past, we have to be patient and look for ways to bring the middle class back. This certainly didn't happen overnight, it's been headed this way for years through a series of choices implemented by numerous events and an uncountable number of persons. We need to choose the opposite again and again now for the coming years. It can't be reversed by one decision but by the collective of good choices in the methods of business and all dealings in our lives. We have to practice positive gestures in everything that we do.
MattieJaye October 13, 2009 14:03:11

Answered: THIS is what we should do...
We can stand up for ourselves and act like the citizens of the greatest country in the world. We have rights, the right to force resignations from crooked politicians, the right to vote for independent candidates, the right to protest, the right to insist that our representatives vote the way WE want them to vote... WE have the real power, and any politician that doesn't fear that is a moron.

The real problem is we don't exercise our rights, so they ignore us. P.S. ~ That hasn't worked for us, only for the rich and powerful. Want to see them kill America? Stay asleep!
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Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 18:30:20

As long as money is a part of the equation we are stuck with those that will compromise our values to stay in power.
MattieJaye to Petrifi... October 13, 2009 18:33:51

Someday we won't take it anymore and vote the bums out.
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Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 18:56:36

I've thought about creating a PAC that would be funding by contributions by the piblic to fight against the lobbyists
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MattieJaye to Petrifi... October 13, 2009 19:01:31

Noble adventure. A referundum might be the best way to do that. I don't know how best to get it done, but I'll sign in for support.
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Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 19:04:12

I think this 3rd party candidate needs to emerge now...and make their intention well known early....3rd parties are usually an after thought.
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MattieJaye to Petrifi... October 13, 2009 19:20:35

I agree.
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Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 19:23:51

Who would you tap? I am rooting for Bloomberg
MattieJaye to Petrifi... October 13, 2009 20:00:59

I need to brush up. No opinion yet.
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Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 19:04:52

the problem with the Dems, is not being liberal enough
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MattieJaye to Petrifi... October 13, 2009 19:25:47

With Dems and Reps, it's hard to really figure out who they are most of the time. They've spent so much time owning America that they are a breed unto themselves. I have strong feelings about having free healthcare for everyone, better schools and well paid teachers, a welfare system that is truly supportivev of the deserving, etc. On the other hand, I support closed borders, and a strong military (that's not fighting overseas for nothing American). I'd like to see taxation control outsourcing jobs, and more people employed. Hard to pin down, a true moderate.
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Joseph ... to MattieJaye October 16, 2009 06:59:11

I wish I could say Amen, but we have a Representative Republic, based on Greed. Nothing says the representing lawmakers have to follow your desires. I have no answer, but I know it is true.
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MattieJaye to Joseph ... October 16, 2009 15:10:54

Very good point, Joseph. They do have the freedom to vote against what their constituents want, and they have CLEARLY demonstrated it. At least by cleaning house we will send a message, that if you want to stay there you have to play for OUR team. We do, in effect, get to hire and fire them at the ballot box. Enough strong messages should at least put the odds in our favor.
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twocrows October 13, 2009 05:42:53

Answered: I'm afraid you are right...
it's been going on for a while now -- AT LEAST 27 years. that's a full generation. people have been born, grown up and had children of their own while this creeping impoverishment of America has been going on.

as to the second part of your question -- I do not know what to do to reverse the trend. I don't think private individuals CAN do anything except keep throwing people who want to maintain the status quo out of their luxurious corner offices.
MattieJaye to twocrows October 13, 2009 19:26:46

Amen. Vote the bums out !
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brob1969 October 13, 2009 03:23:11

Answered: THIS is what we should do...
Cut all the left/right crap. This is a game played by politicians that leaves American people to suffer through the consequence. We're neck deep in crap right now and the only way forward is learning from past mistakes, not continually repeating them and hoping for a better outcome. We're near the end of the line with fossil fuels; we have better solutions and technology today to replace them. There are MILLIONS of Americans that have no access to health care; for profit insurance companies are in the business to make money, not help people. Any of this make sense???
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MattieJaye to brob1969 October 13, 2009 19:28:15

It makes perfect sense. We need an independent candidate that has a chance of willing so we can finally have our voices heard..
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Joseph ... to MattieJaye October 16, 2009 07:08:12

We need to do away with the Corporate-Fascist. They are now the party of the Fringe, and are truly marginalized. We need three new parties, from Right-to-Left; Progressive-Democrats, Liberal-Democrats, Socialist-Democrats. All working for Social-Justice, and Humanity. According to your declarations above, I see you as a Liberal-Democrat.
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MattieJaye to Joseph ... October 16, 2009 15:15:22

That's funny, because you're probably right in many ways. I see the need for social programs, and taking control of the xorporations and government agencies that are screwing us to death. I see the need to stop armed conflicts unless they DIRECTLY threaten our country. This world policeman crap is for the birds, and the rich and unscrupulous. I like to see myself as a moderate leaning conservative, but I may have to look at it again.
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John October 13, 2009 01:59:47

Answered: Undecided
Things were worse during the Civil War. Benjamin Franklin believed the American experiment would eventually end in despotism. But I'm not so sure we can be as cocksure about anything, really.
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Patti October 12, 2009 23:09:10 (edited)

Answered: None of the above
What two parties have run this country for how long? I do blame these two parties. Im voting them out next election. I hope everyone else does too. Vote for anything, just not democrats or repubs. I saw a great bumper sticker today. It said, "Global Economy-for that 1% rich". How true.
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atmer to Patti October 13, 2009 00:40:35

That sounds fun... but not really a viable option. We need to change the existing campaign donation laws so that our reps can't bve bought and sold by the frickin' lobbyists!
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Patti to atmer October 13, 2009 00:46:02

Im all for it.
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twocrows to Patti October 13, 2009 05:49:28

voting for a 3rd party doesn't work.
I did it once -- and helped Reagan into the White House. Carter warned us that a vote for Andersen was a vote for Reagan. he was right and I have regretted that vote ever since.
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MattieJaye to twocrows October 13, 2009 13:45:45

You are right about Carter/Reagan/Anderson. However, one failed experiment doesn't fail the whole system.

The problem with voting Independent is that not enough of us do it. When more of us realize that electing a better candidate is preferrable to being on the team that wins by default, Independents WILL win. Keep the faith!
Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 18:34:13

Perot did the same thing to our benefit!!!
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MattieJaye to Petrifi... October 13, 2009 18:39:14

I voted for him, and I wasn't alone. independents CAN make a difference. When more of us believe that, one will win.
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Petrifi... to MattieJaye October 13, 2009 18:58:03

Oh....when I was young and naive...I thought Anderson was a good idea...and then Nader came along.
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Joseph ... to MattieJaye October 22, 2009 02:17:48

YOU VOTED FOR PEROT? Oh my goodness, where you smoking something special in those days? He was a whack-job of the "Special Education Sort."
MattieJaye to Joseph ... October 22, 2009 14:37:00

Yes, he was, but compared to the other two choices which both were of great concern to me, voting for him was a protest vote. By the way 20% of the voting public agreed with me.

you sound almost as nuts as I am. Maybe we should be friends just to amuse each other.
Patti to Petrifi... October 15, 2009 01:26:35

but he quit and we dont need that.
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Patti to MattieJaye October 15, 2009 01:26:04

mattiej read my comment to two crows. how you feeling honey? Hope all is going better.
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MattieJaye to Patti October 15, 2009 02:32:49

Thank you. Things are going better. I appreciate your good thoughts and prayers, dear friend.
Patti to MattieJaye October 15, 2009 23:06:50

anytime mj
Patti to twocrows October 15, 2009 01:25:28

I know there are alot more choices these days. There were like twenty of them on the ballot. I think most ppl come down to feeling somewhat liberatarian. Im not sure, research is needed on the parties available.