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Are We Ready Yet -- Or Are We Paralyzed With Fear?

lslsttn March 23, 2009 00:29:25

– I voted for Obama. I had good intentions and great hope. I don’t pay attention to people who say:

a) I didn’t do my research
b) I’m stupid
c) I’m a liberal (or a conservative)

2 – I think what I believe; and what I believe is:

a) Obama went the wrong way.
b) We’re not going to recover economically until we stumble all the way down.
c) We might be getting suckered into a form of one-world-order slavery.
d) We might be about to lose our rights to protest and petition (or else pay for them with our lives).
e) Every politician in Washington is in on the game Republican and Democrat alike.

3 – I’m a rounder, but I’m smart about it. So far, I have decided these three things:

a) Martin Luther King knew how to confront a government without getting everyone killed.
b) We need to find powerful, non-combative ways not to cooperate with what we think is wrong.
c) We need to be good neighbors.

4 – I’m networking for comments. Some of you will be too scared to comment. Others will want to excoriate me. Others will think they’ve won an ideological battle with me. None of that will change the facts:

a) Obama went the wrong way.
b) We’re not going to recover economically until we stumble all the way down.
c) We might be getting suckered into a form of one-world-order slavery.
d) We might be about to lose our rights to protest and petition (or else pay for them with our lives).
e) Every politician in Washington is in on the game, Republican and Democrat alike.
f) We need to do something about these things.

5 – How do we handle these facts?
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  • +4 raves Maine Guy March 23, 2009 01:01:58
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    After 8 years of George Bush and the Republicans destroying our economy, I'm willing to give Barack Obama and the Democrats the benefit of the doubt. We didn't get into this mess overnight and we won't climb out of it overnight either. I'll reserve judgement on whether or not he's succeeding at least until midterm. That's my view anyway.
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  • moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust" March 30, 2009 14:08:39
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    I liked Obama when he first started campaigning and for once I had decided that I might just vote for a Democrat this time. He seemed like a good family man who believed in working for a living and taking care of his family. And he's very articulate. When I started researching him I began to learn a little. I'm against abortion except for extenuating circumstances like rape. He's very pro-abortion. I'm against gay marriage because religiously speaking I think it's wrong. So far Obama's bent over backwards for them. And the list goes on and on.
    I too, believe the stage is being set to establish a one gov't world. What exactly can be done about it, I don't know. I agree with you that we should protest in a legal non violent manner, but people do need to speak up.
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    lslsttn moorrbr... March 31, 2009 02:59:15
    lslsttn
    I think I invited you to be my sodahead, perhaps I have not invited you to the group,
    To Be Named" I'll check on this, because I've read you before and I remember thinking I wanted your input in the group.

    I hope when you get the invitation, you'll come check us out and then invite all your friends as well. Thanks for the comment.
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    Nik March 27, 2009 16:12:13
    Nik

    Comment...

    Well written blog!

    I'm not at all bitter by who won the election. I believed that whoever was elected into office would be confronted with many challenges. I hoped for the best, and now am nervous for my future, and the future of my family. I'm also a firm believer that if the government leaves our free market alone, that those companies unable to succeed will file chapter 13, restructure and be profitable once again (or fail giving other companies the opportunity to become more than what they currently are). Either way, we NEED this depression. We NEED deflation. And we need to get back to our fundamental roots.

    The questions we need to be asking are: what are "We The People" going to do about it, how, and what will the effects be? Think cause and effect. Personally, I take time out every week to write to my congressman and senators expressing politely what my fears are of the effects of the bills they vote on, and the logic behind what will be happening. I personally believe if all voters would take it upon themselves to figure out what is going on and write to their politicians about what they want to see in office, we would be in much better shape without jeopardizing our freedoms and rights. WE need to stand up and demand to be listened to. Remember, politicians work f...

    Well written blog!

    I'm not at all bitter by who won the election. I believed that whoever was elected into office would be confronted with many challenges. I hoped for the best, and now am nervous for my future, and the future of my family. I'm also a firm believer that if the government leaves our free market alone, that those companies unable to succeed will file chapter 13, restructure and be profitable once again (or fail giving other companies the opportunity to become more than what they currently are). Either way, we NEED this depression. We NEED deflation. And we need to get back to our fundamental roots.

    The questions we need to be asking are: what are "We The People" going to do about it, how, and what will the effects be? Think cause and effect. Personally, I take time out every week to write to my congressman and senators expressing politely what my fears are of the effects of the bills they vote on, and the logic behind what will be happening. I personally believe if all voters would take it upon themselves to figure out what is going on and write to their politicians about what they want to see in office, we would be in much better shape without jeopardizing our freedoms and rights. WE need to stand up and demand to be listened to. Remember, politicians work for us - if they are corrupt, its because WE collectively have let it happen.

    Prepare for our economic situation to get worse. All government intervention is going to do is slow the rate of decline. At this rate, we wont be hitting rock bottom until approximately the year 2012 (according to economists on Fox News).
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    Cfossedal March 26, 2009 06:59:25
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    comment...

    That seems to be how it's going: everyone going to "community colleges" to learn how to be proper little feudal servants for a few global masters.
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    lslsttn Cfossedal March 26, 2009 16:20:34
    lslsttn
    tax day tea parties all over the nation.
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    Cfossedal lslsttn March 26, 2009 22:39:52
    Cfossedal
    I hope to attend.
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    lslsttn Cfossedal March 27, 2009 01:00:55
    lslsttn
    commit. that's the only way to succeed.
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    EDIE47 March 23, 2009 19:41:26
    EDIE47

    comment...

    Is the Iraq War going to end? YES, just not this second.
    Is the economy going to get fixed? YES, just not this second.
    Are we ever going to have health care, good jobs, a roof over our heads? YES, just not this second.

    You're obviously a smart woman, and I appreciate the links you sent me. One link was no longer available, and the HD video did not tell me anything I haven't heard before.... BALONY... pure and simple.
    When Bush got in (2000), I started saving $$$ like crazy. I had lived through Reaganomics before. And like my Pop said, the right time to save $$$ is when times are good. But I knew enough about History what was coming up. It was just an intuitive sense of nesting that painful lessons poverty taught me during the '80's.
    I don't get those feelings with this President. And, if an Cum Laude Graduate, Law Professor, Square Family Man isn't good enough, then what do we really want? More of the same from the last 8-years?
    Everything will get better. I get all my news from Associated Press email alerts... just the facts, without the fear-peddling, hate-mongering, death-threatening media hogs trying to capture your attention long enough so you hear the advertisement following.
    You're smarter than that. We all are. Delayed Gratification is the new vogue...
    Is the Iraq War going to end? YES, just not this second.
    Is the economy going to get fixed? YES, just not this second.
    Are we ever going to have health care, good jobs, a roof over our heads? YES, just not this second.

    You're obviously a smart woman, and I appreciate the links you sent me. One link was no longer available, and the HD video did not tell me anything I haven't heard before.... BALONY... pure and simple.
    When Bush got in (2000), I started saving $$$ like crazy. I had lived through Reaganomics before. And like my Pop said, the right time to save $$$ is when times are good. But I knew enough about History what was coming up. It was just an intuitive sense of nesting that painful lessons poverty taught me during the '80's.
    I don't get those feelings with this President. And, if an Cum Laude Graduate, Law Professor, Square Family Man isn't good enough, then what do we really want? More of the same from the last 8-years?
    Everything will get better. I get all my news from Associated Press email alerts... just the facts, without the fear-peddling, hate-mongering, death-threatening media hogs trying to capture your attention long enough so you hear the advertisement following.
    You're smarter than that. We all are. Delayed Gratification is the new vogue. Let's put responsibility where it belongs, understand where we are as a country, and it's going to take more than a second. Nothing worth having is without good works. smarter delayed gratification vogue responsibility belongs understand country worth works
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    lslsttn EDIE47 March 23, 2009 20:49:44
    lslsttn
    Good luck, Edie. I wish you the best.
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    EDIE47 lslsttn March 23, 2009 21:26:33
    EDIE47


    THANXS!!!
  • lslsttn EDIE47 March 23, 2009 22:21:44
    lslsttn
    You are Really beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
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    lslsttn EDIE47 March 23, 2009 22:33:37
    lslsttn
    I wish I had the wherewithall to do more than share the truth with you. I wish I had what it takes to convince you that you are being deceived. But, like the video said, for those who don't get the information, that's their problem. I don't feel that way, but at the same time, I realize that I'm going to do right by you by not arguing but taking my Country back. And I'm telling you with every surety I have that Barack did not give us our Country back. You're getting this information from someone who worked for almost two years to get him elected. If I can know the truth when I see it, so can everyone else.

    Here's something you might want for future reference. Take care of yourself. You're a beautiful, walking piece of art, along with being a beautiful young woman. So take care of yourself.

    The MIAC report specifically describes supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as “militia” influenced terrorists and instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties.

    the MIAC website

    http://www.miacx.org/default....

    MIAC is part of the federal “fusion” effort now underway around the country. “As o...















    I wish I had the wherewithall to do more than share the truth with you. I wish I had what it takes to convince you that you are being deceived. But, like the video said, for those who don't get the information, that's their problem. I don't feel that way, but at the same time, I realize that I'm going to do right by you by not arguing but taking my Country back. And I'm telling you with every surety I have that Barack did not give us our Country back. You're getting this information from someone who worked for almost two years to get him elected. If I can know the truth when I see it, so can everyone else.

    Here's something you might want for future reference. Take care of yourself. You're a beautiful, walking piece of art, along with being a beautiful young woman. So take care of yourself.

    The MIAC report specifically describes supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as “militia” influenced terrorists and instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties.

    the MIAC website

    http://www.miacx.org/default....

    MIAC is part of the federal “fusion” effort now underway around the country. “As of February 2009, there were 58 fusion centers around the country

    Last month, the ACLU issued a news release highlighting the activity of a fusion center in Texas as the “latest example of inappropriate police intelligence operations targeting political, religious and social activists for investigation,” in particular “Muslim civil rights organizations and anti-war protest groups.”

    MIAC notes many of the political issues cited by the so-called patriot movement — the Ammunition Accountability Act, the impending economic collapse of the government, the possibility of a constitutional convention, the North American Union, Obama’s “Universal Service Program,” and the implementation of RFID, issues that are not limited to the patriot movement but are shared by a wide array of political activists.

    The MIAC document includes a map of the North American Union not dissimilar from one released by NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition (see the NASCO map here).



    In order to artificially heighten the perceived threat threshold, MIAC rolls in Christian Identity, white nationalism, “militant” anti-abortion activists, opposition to illegal immigration, and income tax resistance. MIAC deceptively blurs the lines between these disparate political ideologies and underscores the possibility for violence in a summary of the organizational structure of the militia movement and a section describing how members strive to train in “combat readiness.”

    COMMENT: I won't be carrying a gun when I march on Washington. But I will be in sight of the whole world. And there are only 125 of them in the Whole World. So remember your history and do the math, because here I come.

    Continued:

    MIAC is attempting to radicalize the police against political activity guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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  • EDIE47 lslsttn March 23, 2009 23:26:00 (edited)
    EDIE47
    I'm glad you found something so passionate about, and sharing with me. I'm familiar with all thus shared, before you decided to share. I'm a big proponent of all the freedoms America has privileged me with. Leaders don't always lead, this I understand as true. What is going on in Missouri is wrong, and it should be brought to every available person willing to hear. One of the problems going on right now, that is being ignored purposely, so we don't get scared, is a few bad apples are causing problems for legitimate organisations/political groups. Our IPs are accessed dayly, depending on the language used. I'll read a post, where a sodahead will say our President should be killed, or we should march onto Washington armed and ready, or they would join a militia or would like to start one, AND I think, OOPS... there's another one on the watch list. Whether they mean it or not, if they're a member of your chapter of whatever, that chapter gets treated as a threat. President Obama has gotten more death threats than anyone in American history, even Eisenhower (WHO got plenty when he raised taxes). It's their job to protect him, even if their methods seem wrong to you and I. Before you quickly blame him, or the government, think about the fringe elements out there, actuall...
    I'm glad you found something so passionate about, and sharing with me. I'm familiar with all thus shared, before you decided to share. I'm a big proponent of all the freedoms America has privileged me with. Leaders don't always lead, this I understand as true. What is going on in Missouri is wrong, and it should be brought to every available person willing to hear. One of the problems going on right now, that is being ignored purposely, so we don't get scared, is a few bad apples are causing problems for legitimate organisations/political groups. Our IPs are accessed dayly, depending on the language used. I'll read a post, where a sodahead will say our President should be killed, or we should march onto Washington armed and ready, or they would join a militia or would like to start one, AND I think, OOPS... there's another one on the watch list. Whether they mean it or not, if they're a member of your chapter of whatever, that chapter gets treated as a threat. President Obama has gotten more death threats than anyone in American history, even Eisenhower (WHO got plenty when he raised taxes). It's their job to protect him, even if their methods seem wrong to you and I. Before you quickly blame him, or the government, think about the fringe elements out there, actually making it harder for you and alot of your peers to "Take Your Country Back". You are an honor to communicate with, and I hope you accomplish everything you dream for (peacefully, but of coarse.).
    alot peers country honor communicate hope accomplish dream peacefully coarse
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  • lslsttn EDIE47 March 23, 2009 23:40:09 (edited)
    lslsttn
    If the information in the video is true, 25 thousand people a day are added to the watch list. Of course that means that you are already on it, because you are on sodahead. I agree with you about the rhetoric. It not only stinks sometimes, but it is ineffective. As to it causing me any harm, just because I read it or address it? Not any more harm than being on a list causes.

    People might be scared enough to think that they are going to go armed into Washington, but I've made it clear, when I come to Washington, it won't be with a gun. That does not mean that the conspirators against this democracy won't face prosecution. And the conspirators, at least some of them, are named in the video.

    Go to youtube and search Obama Deception, if you have not watched the full length version and if you want the information. They literally could have named it the Bush Deception and said the same thing. I'm going to continue to do what I have been doing for years - sharing information. And when the time comes, I will be going to Washington. Barack Obama lied. Plain and simple. But this has very little to do with him - not any more to do with him than it does George Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan. That does not mean that they did not have something to do with the subject. And I think the...
    If the information in the video is true, 25 thousand people a day are added to the watch list. Of course that means that you are already on it, because you are on sodahead. I agree with you about the rhetoric. It not only stinks sometimes, but it is ineffective. As to it causing me any harm, just because I read it or address it? Not any more harm than being on a list causes.

    People might be scared enough to think that they are going to go armed into Washington, but I've made it clear, when I come to Washington, it won't be with a gun. That does not mean that the conspirators against this democracy won't face prosecution. And the conspirators, at least some of them, are named in the video.

    Go to youtube and search Obama Deception, if you have not watched the full length version and if you want the information. They literally could have named it the Bush Deception and said the same thing. I'm going to continue to do what I have been doing for years - sharing information. And when the time comes, I will be going to Washington. Barack Obama lied. Plain and simple. But this has very little to do with him - not any more to do with him than it does George Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan. That does not mean that they did not have something to do with the subject. And I think they all should be arrested, and will continue to say so until they answer for this; or until some coward decides it's time to shut me up by hiding behind a gun, himself.
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  • EDIE47 lslsttn March 23, 2009 23:46:26
    EDIE47
    LOVE and PEACE...gotta get to work. love peace gotta work
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    Irons March 23, 2009 02:25:33
    Irons

    Comment...

    We prepare ourselves for the worst as individuals. You are painting a bleak picture, I think this can be overcome, before we fall to the bottom. What we need is a collabrative effort on both sides to overcome this. We need to be good neighbors, however restrict free trade so american products are just that. We need to respect the working class and allow them to prosper. We need to understand that the constitution is a dynamic document that was written prior to the industrial revolution, and automatc weapons. We need to remember that our global image is tarnished and we as a country are not infailable. Most of all we need to free ourselves from the need of other countries. We will never be able to confront goverment like Dr. King, the african americans were united in racial oppression, we cant even agree on an internet site.
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 02:32:58
    lslsttn
    We're getting there. Quicker than Washington is.

    Let me ask you something? Do you think that Washington agrees with what you said about restricting free trade, respecting the working class, allowing prosperity, that we are not infallible, that we need to free ourselves from the needs of other countries?
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 02:36:52
    Irons
    I think the President does, he is a good man. I trust his leadership, and he has been handicapped by problems that were not of his own creation. I am afraid that there will be so much anti-obama backlash that we will swing completely the other way, and the results will be catastrophic.
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 02:41:53 (edited)
    lslsttn
    I understand that, and from our conversations, you know I understand that. You also know that I care for this person.

    Look at this: “Main Street has to understand, unless we get these banks moving again, then we can’t get this economy to recover... " He said that on 60 minutes. And it's not a practical statement, in fact, it defies practicality; and you know it does.

    Even though this is going to hurt, the alternative has the potential to be 300 million times worse.

    So, since you understand that Wasington does not agree with you, and since you now have plenty of evidence that Barack doesn't either... ??
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 02:48:48
    Irons
    The economy depends on these banks, unless we resort to a barter, and trade system, or go back to gold. Obama is paralyzed as are we, congress has failed not the president.(you know that)
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 02:59:24
    lslsttn
    Didn't I tell you that was part of it? I certainly told them; and have record of it.

    Okay, so Obama is paralyzed. So you're saying that the whole nation is paralyzed by some crooks. And you're also saying that noone in Washington agrees with you on what should be done. Even though you know that you are being practical.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 03:03:26
    Irons
    I think that there are people who agree with my ideas, however the collective body of politicians cant afford to. They would be personally sacrificing to much. It is truely a shame, and those who dispise socialism.....what governs a primitave tribe
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 03:14:18
    lslsttn
    Well, sugar, it's going to come down to primacy, so...

    And no amount of allowing a president to be paralyzed is going to change that. It's going to happen, no matter what.

    The people whom you say have too much to personally lose by doing the practical and honorable, that's pretty short-sighted of them, considering the impending primacy.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 03:19:05
    Irons
    You are thinking primacy(i.e Kari)? I think it will be a couple generations away......After the collapse of a free market society. I'm talking 3rd world america
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 03:30:03
    lslsttn
    You mean what we talked about earlier? No. I was playing off what you said about primative cultures earlier. 3d world America won't be a primative culture, nor will it be third world, as defined today. You already said so when you mentioned barter/trade and gold. Not primative, but quiet, though.

    So, are you up for some quiet time? Because that's what it's going to take to get the extortionists off our President's back. Don't think I'm excited about it. Just practical.

    We didn't do this to ourselves. But just like every other bad thing that happens, we're responsible for how it affects us as well as what we do about it.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 03:35:39
    Irons
    I already work on the side for trade, and cash. If the goverment collapses I'll lose my job but thank god I have skills in the trades. The softhanded computer people will be screwed.

    I hate to see it happen, but that is why we need to be ready. I dont see it on the horizon yet. It will be here in our lifetime I think. I have to maintain hope for the sake of my boys future.

    Your hip to what I think.......we need to be individually prepared the worst. Commune living will rule the day
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 03:41:45
    lslsttn
    It'll be here before Obama's Presidency is over. And we'll work it out.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 03:46:56
    Irons
    That quick huh?
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 03:53:51
    lslsttn
    Not very empathetic of me, I know. But I am empathetic where it actually counts.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 04:00:24 (edited)
    Irons
    Hey your are a realist...while empathy is nice, it can hobble you
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 04:08:26 (edited)
    lslsttn
    We're going to take care of each other. Like I said, there will be silence, and then the People will organize and take care of their neighbors, communities, states, nation. In that order. We are resilient and smart people.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 04:20:06
    Irons
    How do we protect our country from outsiders?
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 04:33:26
    lslsttn
    al quaida is impotent. that's why they send videos like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    AIG's been called out. Now it's up to us to keep the pressure on until Barack and Congress stop swallowing their line of bull about what we can and cannot do for ourselves. But even that doesn't matter because we are going to take care of ourselves no matter how the politicians handle AIG. When, not if, but when they fail, (AIG and the politicians) then we will take care of ourselves like I said.

    The founders said to protect ourselves with a militia; (and no, I don't mean children) but not before we protect and uphold democracy by example.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 04:38:00
    Irons
    What about the UN, who would occupy to help stabilize? Is it a peaceful protective occupation until we ressurect ourselves. Or are we to be permanently under UN rule?
  • lslsttn Irons March 23, 2009 04:40:02
    lslsttn
    I don't have anything against the UN, but then I don't know much about the UN. Go to mail for me; there's no more room. I want to know what you know about the UN.
  • Irons lslsttn March 23, 2009 04:39:08
    Irons
    Interesting video
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    webmaven March 23, 2009 01:45:52
    webmaven

    Comment...

    Hoover did very little to stem the Great Depression and it just worsened until FDR came in and took drastic measures. After that, the GDP jumped every year till 1937. Let's see if drastic measures help this time.
  • lslsttn webmaven March 23, 2009 01:50:47
    lslsttn
    Thank you. Let's hope for the best and plan for the worst. That's sane and smart...
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    Maine Guy March 23, 2009 01:01:58
    Maine Guy

    comment...

    After 8 years of George Bush and the Republicans destroying our economy, I'm willing to give Barack Obama and the Democrats the benefit of the doubt. We didn't get into this mess overnight and we won't climb out of it overnight either. I'll reserve judgement on whether or not he's succeeding at least until midterm. That's my view anyway.
  • lslsttn Maine Guy March 23, 2009 01:04:59
    lslsttn
    This does not have anything to do with giving Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt. He's Going The Wrong Way!!! That doesn't mean the Republicans have the answer either. I'm beginning to think that he's going the wrong way because he always planned to go the wrong way. Did you watch the Short Video that I sent you in my last reply to you? It's a scholarly source.
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