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Are there People Intentionally trying to Sabotage Peace in the Middle East?

JMCC 2012/09/15 00:28:08
Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
No they were all unintentional and coincidental...
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None of the above
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Every time relations start to improve between the west and Islam, something occurs to undo all the hard work the peacemakers put in. From Koran burning, to the desecration of bodies and now an attack on the one thing that Muslims revere above all others...

Ultimately if it is deliberate, who's agenda does it serve best?
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  • Nameless 2012/09/15 15:33:36
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Nameless
    +1
    I think it's radicals in a lot of groups who consistently and persistently attempt to derail any peace process in that area of the world. Determining why radicals do anything is nigh to impossible and no matter how how those of us with any measure of true logic try to dissect their "reasoning" is, in my opinion, likely ultimately impossible.. Well, except that they want what they want, no matter the cost and think that anyone else with a differing desire is completely wrong.

    I still believe, as I have for 35 or more years, that Jerusalem should be a neutral city - and everyone should be able to visit that city without fear of harm... Muslim, Jew, and Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, Atheist, Pagan, and everything in between should be able to visit without thinking they might be blown up - by anyone.

    There are far too many crazies in this world who believe that their way is the only way - and are willing to do anything to get their way.
  • Shawna 2012/09/15 05:07:28
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Shawna
    +1
    I think so, though I think we underestimate the strength of fanatical fundamentalist religion and how pervasive it is in other cultures. We are not like that in the west, not any more, with the US being the most religious of western nations, but still technically secular. We forget how ingrained into the culture and the identity of these people, their religious beliefs and the things they hold sacred really are.
  • JMCC Shawna 2012/09/15 09:16:49
    JMCC
    +3
    Those who perpetrate the acts mentioned above, are all too aware of what it is they are doing and what the consequences of those actions are likely to be.
  • Nameless Shawna 2012/09/15 15:35:39
    Nameless
    +1
    I disagree. It happens here in the United States, too. Also, those who perpetrate the violence and work to derail peace are fully aware of what they are doing. It's not done indiscriminately.
  • Shawna Nameless 2012/09/16 01:29:13
    Shawna
    +1
    I think it is both and the fanatics are easily used.
  • sean 2012/09/15 03:01:07
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    sean
    Its called the CIA and MOSSAD..the guy they used is the patsy...he will be blamed for it all..and the christians and muslims will fight over it..Oswald..Sirhan Sirhan..James Earl Ray..McViegh..Bin Laden..all CIA and MOSSAD tools !
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/09/15 01:30:30
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Its obvious someone is doing their best to promote unrest. Why else would radical groups be aided? I think its setting the stage for a major war - the health of the state.
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/09/15 01:25:15
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    **StarzAbove**
    Yes.....those that hate america.
  • Tastentier 2012/09/15 01:17:03 (edited)
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Tastentier
    +1
    Yes, the radicals who are attacking American, British and German embassies.

    Nobody has done anything severe enough to legitimize these attacks. They're outraged over a youTube video, over a recent demonstration in Munich against a planned center for Islamic studies, over the fact that Merkel honored the Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard at an award ceremony two years ago... do we really give a damn?

    I mean, do we really have to pretend that these people act and react in a rational and predictable fashion? Do we seriously have to apologize for newspaper cartoons, peaceful protests and youTube videos?

    They will always find a reason to hate everything that isn't Islam. They're like Jerry Falwell, who suffered fits of rage because Tinky-Winky, the purple teletubbie, set off his gaydar. Only that Falwell didn't set a film studio on fire, because in Western countries, even the craziest of the batsh*t crazy lunatics know that this is an utterly disproportionate and ethically wrong response.
  • Fred Rogers 2012/09/15 01:12:24
    Undecided
    Fred Rogers
    +1
    Probably.
  • Rusty Bubbles 2012/09/15 01:09:54
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Rusty Bubbles
    +2
    Yes................and the persons initials are Barack Hussein Obama
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 01:22:15
    JMCC
    What could he possibly have to gain? - it could cost him the election.
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 01:23:38
    Rusty Bubbles
    +1
    I honestly don't know JMCC, but things just are not adding up
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 01:26:06
    JMCC
    +1
    I think it is more likely to be elements of the military industrial complex... They really hate it when somebody says the words "defense cuts"...
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 01:33:33
    Rusty Bubbles
    +1
    It began long before the cuts were even discussed. I can kinda understand why Bush went into Iraq, the pressure for him to do something was enormous back then. But why did we continue any involvement in the middle east?

    Especially Libya for instance
    IIn December 2003. Muammar el-Qaddafi stunned the world and agreed to dismantle Libya's nuclear weapons program. Libya would "regain a secure and respected place" in the world, President Bush said. Western leaders met personally with their unlikely bedfellow in subsequent years.

    The United States normalized relations. Britain hailed its "new relationship." France signed a $16 billion nuclear reactor trade deal. Qaddafi was harvesting the fruit of de-nuclearization.

    What do we do at the first opportunity?....ATTACK!...WTF!

    We attacked a sovereign nation while hiding under the skirts of the UN
    Egypt... Afghanistan...who's next Syria or Iran?
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 01:40:50
    JMCC
    +1
    I suspect neither for the time being - everybody is sick to the hind teeth with war,

    If there were two things that will lose Romney the election, it would be his stance on taxation and his apparent willingness to go to war.
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 01:48:03 (edited)
    Rusty Bubbles
    Never cared for Romney "the politician", but I don't think he's eager for war as he is a supporter for Israel, our only steadfast ally in the region.

    As far as his stance on taxes is concerned, I like Obama's vision less. The best years we've experienced over her were between the mid 80's - 2001 and I would credit Reagan for the economic surge
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 01:55:04
    JMCC
    Little known fact - Carter signed a very significant document that permitted the deregulation of the banks. This one act sparked the whole Wall Street "Greed is good" boom of the 80's through the loose credit and hedging,,,

    Short term thinking again,
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 01:56:48
    Rusty Bubbles
    +1
    Greed is the fuel to any business venture. Whether it's the lemonade stand down at the street corner or the next Microsoft.

    Too little regulation leads to abuse, too much regulation strangles the business
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 02:00:11
    JMCC
    +1
    The drive to make a living is the fuel of any business venture...

    There is such a thing as a modest profit - would you say the same if it were a table of food?
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 02:03:09 (edited)
    Rusty Bubbles
    +1
    I'm looking at the bigger picture here JMCC

    If you think about it restrictive socialism in its most simple form would be preferred over our current system of governance here in the US, the problem is it's just a stepping stone towards some form of totalitarian regime. It always has been that way and it always remain that way due to a fundamental flaw in the human race and that flaw is ……………. Greed

    Some will always want what another possesses, some will always want more of what they already have and they will go to great lengths to get it and greater lenghts to keep it.

    BUT........ (Monetary) Greed is also he fuel to any business venture and business is also what drives any nations economic engine.

    So IMHO, it seems that finding a good "balance" is the key. Too much regulation stifles business growth, too little leads to abuse
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 02:07:18
    JMCC
    Oh I agree in every respect and in times past that "balance" was exactly what religion was supposed to supply...

    The only way that man will ever be freed of greed will be to experience the ultimate consequences of it...

    Sadly I suspect that that moment is only just around the corner...
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 02:10:34
    Rusty Bubbles
    Morals and ethics...or the lack of?
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 02:20:03
    JMCC
    Business schools in the UK decided that they would have to add an ethics course to their degrees a couple of years ago.

    Yet I do not think that it will have quite the same effect of believing that the Almighty is peering over your shoulder every step of the way and that the firey pit awaits your every transgression...;)
  • Rusty B... JMCC 2012/09/15 02:22:28 (edited)
    Rusty Bubbles
    +1
    I was in private catholic schools my whole life and while I do harbor some doubts about certain aspects of the teachings, the basics hold true across all ....errr....most religions

    ;o)~
  • JMCC Rusty B... 2012/09/15 09:21:50
    JMCC
    +1
    I agree entirely.
  • say what? 2012/09/15 00:56:46
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    say what?
    +1
    Of course. Islam has declared war on the rest of the planet. Their "holy books" is a declaration of war against all non-muslims. Convert, enslave or kill are their orders.
  • Cookielane 2012/09/15 00:51:01
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Cookielane
    +2
    Extremists hate that quality in other extremists, and constantly goad each other. Perhaps agenda is a strong word, but if you do something to imflame an already volatile situation, just because it makes you feel powerful, you may as well toss a grenade in the air, for the pain and death you're about to cause. It's as cowardly as ringing doorbells and running.
  • Speaker of the Mind 2012/09/15 00:48:43
    Yes there is an agenda of war going on here...
    Speaker of the Mind
    Yes and you know who they are, Obama and crew.
  • JMCC Speaker... 2012/09/15 00:52:46
    JMCC
    Really?

    I thought that this would be a backward step for him, how do the Democrats benefit?
  • Speaker... JMCC 2012/09/15 01:05:58
    Speaker of the Mind
    By blaming it on the Republicans, somehow, some way.
  • JMCC Speaker... 2012/09/15 01:11:24
    JMCC
    +2
    That would be an incredibly risky and stupid thing for them to do. It would be more likely to be an arm of the military industry complex - for it doesn't matter to them who wins the election as long as the fighting continues...
  • Speaker... JMCC 2012/09/15 01:27:36
    Speaker of the Mind
    I disagree, I think it does matter, I think it means a lot to Obama not to be a one term President.
  • JMCC Speaker... 2012/09/15 01:32:17
    JMCC
    +1
    Which is the best reason I can think of for not being behind it...
  • Jiorgia 2012/09/15 00:34:22
    Undecided
    Jiorgia
    +1
    I think that there are definitely people trying to be outwardly offensive in order to stir the pot but I don't know if it is part of an agenda to keep the war going.
  • Zervur 2012/09/15 00:28:38
    None of the above
    Zervur
    +2
    There is no peace in that region.
  • Jiorgia Zervur 2012/09/15 00:35:15
    Jiorgia
    +1
    Everytime we take a step in the right direction someone comes along and takes us right back to where we started again, that is why there is no peace.
  • Zervur Jiorgia 2012/09/15 00:35:57
    Zervur
    I disagree. consider history.
  • JMCC Zervur 2012/09/15 00:43:03
    JMCC
    +1
    It is precisely because of history that it is not advisable to continue to "stir the pot" - have you not considered that they might be just as tired of the fighting and dying as we are?
  • Zervur JMCC 2012/09/15 00:44:46
    Zervur
    I have. I think in the region, fighting and dying is what they perceive to be the greatest form of loyalty and love. I disagree however.

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