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Are there any women that believe in traditional values anymore?

Adam 2012/03/12 03:02:06
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Everywhere I look I can't help but see mostly women with disdain for men. 2/3rds of divorces are initiated by women, and women do not value the home as the primary responsibility anymore. It is my belief that these 2 things are part of the major fall in our morality of the next generation as many women care more about themselves than they do about what is right. In all this I was wondering where are the women who believe strongly in the primary responsibility of taking of the home and a devout responsibility of sticking to the vow of death do us part (not I part when I don't feel happy anymore).
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  • Mrs. Kathy Arch 2012/03/12 03:15:52
    Yes
    Mrs. Kathy Arch
    +5
    As long as your idea of traditional values does not involve me being treated like a doormat, then I'm ok with it.

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  • ♥SocialOutcastshavemorefun♥ 2012/11/11 03:57:26
    No
    ♥SocialOutcastshavemorefun♥
    I probably should have picked yes, as some women still believe in this.

    A woman has the right to do whatever she wants. She was not made for the home.
  • Adam ♥Social... 2012/11/11 04:26:48
    Adam
    +2
    The bible would beg to differ.
  • ♥Social... Adam 2012/11/11 06:27:30 (edited)
    ♥SocialOutcastshavemorefun♥
    +1
    I don't care what the Bible says. This is the 21st century. It should not dictate the life of everyone on Earth; only those who wish to live their life by a 2,000 year old book.
  • Adam ♥Social... 2012/11/11 13:25:32
    Adam
    +2
    It is not only 2000 years old it is 100% correct and the most archaeological proven document in all of history. There is a reason women are made for the home. They were designed to be great nurturers of children in order that they would be great for raising them. Without that parent in the home they grow up without the proper guidance and love. This effects not only that child but all of society. This is one of the great reasons why society is now self imploding.
  • ♥Social... Adam 2012/11/11 18:44:50 (edited)
    ♥SocialOutcastshavemorefun♥
    +1
    "it is 100% correct" Got any proof of that?

    That is so unbelievably sexist that you think women were made for bearing children, instead of thinking each individual has their own job they want to do
  • Adam ♥Social... 2012/11/11 22:53:34
    Adam
    +1
    Well why don't every single person become a professional gamer and call me to tell how the world is working then.

    It is not sexist to know men and women are different. Oh and the bible has proven itself 100% correct.
  • ♥Social... Adam 2012/11/11 22:59:30
    ♥SocialOutcastshavemorefun♥
    +1
    Your first sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    No, it IS sexist to think that women should stay in the home. Gender roles are not needed. If a woman is more fitted to be a mechanic or something "manly", let her. If a man is more fitted to stay at home with a child, let him!

    "Oh and the bible has proven itself 100% correct." I asked for proof.
  • Adam ♥Social... 2012/11/12 04:48:56
    Adam
    +1
    Your claim that everyone needs to do what they want explains the first statement quite well. If everyone wanted to do the same thing and that was allowed society wouldn't function. The real world does not work that way.

    You also need to start considering that you taking positions without regard to the effect it has on others. We have a whole generation of children abandoned by there parents because they both went to work. Women at their basis are nurturing this is why they were fit for the home. The have the ability to take care of it the way a man cannot. Different functions does not conclude inequality.
  • ♥Social... Adam 2012/11/12 04:52:46
    ♥SocialOutcastshavemorefun♥
    +1
    But everyone does not want to do the same thing. Everyone has different interests.

    It IS sexist to believe a woman should be forced to care for a child and stay at home if she wants to have a job. We are not child-bearing machines!

    " We have a whole generation of children abandoned by there parents because they both went to work" That is a bunch of crap. Today, most children/teens have both parents working. They do not feel abandoned, because their parents still care for them.

    If you think women were made to have children, then what were men made for?
  • Adam ♥Social... 2012/11/13 04:06:12
    Adam
    +1
    There are many jobs no one is interested in doing that is required for the continuance of society.

    I said nothing about children being their sole purpose. Children are both parents highest responsibility, but in different ways.
  • Ami Khan 2012/07/23 20:17:20
    Yes
    Ami Khan
    +2
    Hello Adam, yes, there are women of traditional value, however they are best suited for the traditional men. The traditional woman's responsibility is often to maintain an orderly home and social life while taking care of the family. At the same time, she has the right to work outside of the home if she chooses to and is to be treated with the most kindness and respect by her husband and children at all times. This is because women are naturally more nurturing while men are more dominant. As a result, the traditional man's primary responsibility is to provide a financially stable environment along with proper guidance and leadership to the family. He has a right to feel respected, which definitely requires a level of obedience and trust from his wife and children.

    However, in this generation women want to feel more in control by comparing themselves to the males. Most of us fail to see that gender equality does not mean doing what the other gender can do but that it is about respecting the rights and roles of each individual. As a result, a lot of our priorities have changed and we become impatient with ourselves.

    I have no doubt that you will find yourself a traditional woman. However do not be fooled by the one who is insecure or lives in the past. Often traditional wome...
    Hello Adam, yes, there are women of traditional value, however they are best suited for the traditional men. The traditional woman's responsibility is often to maintain an orderly home and social life while taking care of the family. At the same time, she has the right to work outside of the home if she chooses to and is to be treated with the most kindness and respect by her husband and children at all times. This is because women are naturally more nurturing while men are more dominant. As a result, the traditional man's primary responsibility is to provide a financially stable environment along with proper guidance and leadership to the family. He has a right to feel respected, which definitely requires a level of obedience and trust from his wife and children.

    However, in this generation women want to feel more in control by comparing themselves to the males. Most of us fail to see that gender equality does not mean doing what the other gender can do but that it is about respecting the rights and roles of each individual. As a result, a lot of our priorities have changed and we become impatient with ourselves.

    I have no doubt that you will find yourself a traditional woman. However do not be fooled by the one who is insecure or lives in the past. Often traditional women are educated and know what they want. She will feel secure enough to let a man take the lead for her. A traditional man deserves a confident woman. At the same time all of us should remember that if we want our rights to be respected, we must respect the rights and roles of our counterparts as well.
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  • Adam Ami Khan 2012/07/23 20:35:04
    Adam
    +1
    well said.
  • Ami Khan Adam 2012/07/23 21:00:59
    Ami Khan
    +2
    Thank you
  • Lydecho Rain (Лидия) 2012/04/05 03:37:29
    No
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    +2
    I bet you don't even realize how sexist what you just said is. Screw traditional "values!" Women can do whatever they want, as much as men can. A woman isn't meant to only take care of the home.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/04/05 14:50:51
    Adam
    +1
    Here is a saying that I think is very important. Just because you have the right to do something does not mean you should do it.
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/04/05 16:57:02
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    You think that women are meant to be housewives? That's so sexist! By the way, we don't hate men. We only hate when men treat us like this.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/04/05 19:02:09
    Adam
    +1
    different roles does not equal inequality.
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/04/06 00:05:26
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    Sometimes it does. No one owes anything to anyone. Tradition is "everyone for themselves" because humans suck in nature.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/07/23 20:39:20
    Adam
    +1
    "No one owes anything to anyone" A person who speaks quickly in the resolve is someone who only thinks about their own good rather than the good of others. We call this selfishness.
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/07/30 16:41:20
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    I'm not selfish.. At least I'm not a capitalist American pig.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/08/01 04:49:37
    Adam
    +2
    covet much?
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/08/01 04:53:06
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    Hell no! I just know facts and not lies.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/08/01 19:39:17
    Adam
    +2
    The way you speak is of a hateful nature to anyone rich due to capitalism. This suggest covetousness because others have what you don't. Ask yourself why are you against capitalism.
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/08/01 19:50:05
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    I actually am pretty wealthy. I just don't think it's fair that some people have more than others. I wantto make the ideal society.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/08/01 20:01:00
    Adam
    +2
    And why is it not fair for some to have more than others? (your statement is pure covetousness btw).
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/08/01 20:03:55
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    Because there are enough recources for everyone to be living happily and with food and a home if we all work and distribute it equally to everyone.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/08/03 04:36:35
    Adam
    +2
    Go study the Soviet union. What you are suggesting results in deranged deviant behavior along with poverty for all who are not ruling. Capitalism is the best system we know because it rewards those who work for it and rebukes those who don't.
  • Lydecho... Adam 2012/08/03 17:41:48
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    Study the Soviet Union? That made me laugh. My family lived there.
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/08/03 22:54:51
    Adam
    +2
    Hope they didn't live among the 20 million that Stalin starved to death.
  • Jenai Goss Lydecho... 2012/11/10 08:21:48
    Jenai Goss
    +2
    Even if we redistributed all the money in the world (assuming we could do so), that would be about $9,000 per person. [Try this now: live on only $9,000 next year and give all your other money away to the poor. Houses obviously can't be split in two, though I suppose you could make a rule that everyone must live in a hut (lowest common denominator) to be 'equal'.
    Capitalism has always been more effective at brining people up from poverty into the middle class than socialism and other 'ideal' seeking systems have. Other systems have led to society overall growing poorer. Certainly, when everyone is poor, there is less 'inequality' - as if that is a meaningful statistic. A poor person stands a much better chance in America - where he can generally afford most convieniences, and has a good chance of obtaining the middle class in 20 years (at least pre-welfare state economy), then being "poor" in any other country.
  • Lydecho... Jenai Goss 2012/11/11 03:54:51
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    First of all, many other countries such as Denmark have a very high living standard to don't act like America is the only good country out there. Secondly, what if they didn't use money? What if everyone just received goods if they worked?
  • Adam Lydecho... 2012/11/11 04:27:41
    Adam
    +1
    Then they wouldn't work as hard because it would be guaranteed as long as they had a job.
  • gracious43 Lydecho... 2012/11/11 14:18:51 (edited)
    gracious43
    +2
    Uh, no, Denmark is not as egalitarian as Progressives would have us believe:
    http://www.humanityinaction.o... - Cached

    The Danish Illusion: The Gap Between Principle and Practice in the Danish Welfare System

    by Alexandra Lu, Lisa Sig Olesen

    In his 2001 article “The Social Construction of an Imperative: Why Welfare Reform Happened in Denmark and the Netherlands but Not in Germany”, political scientist Robert Henry Cox suggests how such a shift in mindset took hold of Danish society almost unnoticed. In 1993, the government-established Social Commission justified limits on unemployment benefits and a higher qualifying retirement age by pointing to articles in the Constitution providing for a reciprocal obligation between state and citizen. According to this obligation, the state will provide public support, but the citizen is obliged to work if able to do so. As Cox notes, “By framing the issue in this way, the Social Commission tried to make the proposal appear less radical than it was perceived to be by its critics.” Although the retrenchment of welfare provisions and reframing of underlying values has amounted to a fundamental change in the nature of the welfare system, many do not recognize it as such, due to the fact that politicians and the media have framed the discourse in ...









    Uh, no, Denmark is not as egalitarian as Progressives would have us believe:
    http://www.humanityinaction.o... - Cached

    The Danish Illusion: The Gap Between Principle and Practice in the Danish Welfare System

    by Alexandra Lu, Lisa Sig Olesen

    In his 2001 article “The Social Construction of an Imperative: Why Welfare Reform Happened in Denmark and the Netherlands but Not in Germany”, political scientist Robert Henry Cox suggests how such a shift in mindset took hold of Danish society almost unnoticed. In 1993, the government-established Social Commission justified limits on unemployment benefits and a higher qualifying retirement age by pointing to articles in the Constitution providing for a reciprocal obligation between state and citizen. According to this obligation, the state will provide public support, but the citizen is obliged to work if able to do so. As Cox notes, “By framing the issue in this way, the Social Commission tried to make the proposal appear less radical than it was perceived to be by its critics.” Although the retrenchment of welfare provisions and reframing of underlying values has amounted to a fundamental change in the nature of the welfare system, many do not recognize it as such, due to the fact that politicians and the media have framed the discourse in such a way as to present the new language as consistent with Danish values.


    This emphasis on reciprocal obligations has evidently become ingrained in the discourse on welfare in Danish society. Although reciprocity has arguably always undergirded the Danish Model, the obligation for people to work seems to have begun to take priority over society’s obligation to provide for the needy. One can see evidence for this change in discussions about welfare policies such as the “Start-Help” program, under which people who have not been living in Denmark for the past ten years (read: immigrants) will receive lower social benefits. Although this policy effectively targets immigrants and discourages them from coming to Denmark, it is framed not as a policy for limiting immigration, but rather a policy for inspiring people to find jobs. As such, published research on the Start-Help policy selectively reports that more people find jobs when they are given the lower Start-Help benefit than when given the normal level of benefits. What remains unreported, lurking in the fine print of those articles, is the percentage of people who remain dependent on benefits and must live on lower-than-average benefit allowances. The benefits under the normal system have been calculated to enable recipients to live “a reasonable life”; those people relegated to the Start-Help benefit receive substantially less―3,000 DKK/month lower for an individual without children. By strategically focusing on the statistical success of the policy, this kind of analysis overshadows—even ignores—the thousands of people who are effectively rejected by Danish society and must struggle to get by on substantially lower benefits.

    “People don’t want to look poverty in the eyes”: Assigning responsibility

    The disconnect between notional welfare and substantive welfare, compounded by the change in discourse described above, serves to create a fundamentally new type of welfare system in Denmark. This, in turn, gives rise to yet another kind of disconnect: people still believe that the system operates in accordance with its founding values of solidarity and universal welfare, and thus continue to leave all responsibility to the state when it comes to providing for the needy. Since people are not aware of these systemic changes, they fail to recognize that caring for the needy no longer fall under the sole purview of the state. Thus, people speak about the importance of solidarity and welfare while simultaneously enrolling in private health insurance and private pension plans, not realizing that those private plans further undercut an already faltering public welfare system.


    For example, consider the effect of private pensions. Today, Denmark has a growing population of poor elderly people—a development that would be unthinkable according to the purported values of the Danish welfare system. As more and more people obtain private insurance for old-age pensions, those who depend solely on welfare pensions increasingly suffer. The first group often fails to recognize that not everyone has a private pension, and overlook the severe consequences of lower taxes for those public pension benefits. One consequence of society’s recent embracing of the individualistic idea that those who contribute more should also receive more, is that those most in need of public benefits are increasingly snubbed by the system. Although the state still provides a common pension for everyone, these benefits have not kept pace with the increase in prices. As a result, some elderly people today receive old-age pensions without any additional pension from private plans, yet are prevented by law from seeking necessary extra income if they wish to continue receiving any sort of public pension. Society tacitly accepts this state of affairs because of the increasing number of people who have private pensions and thus do not feel the impact of the failing welfare system.
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  • Lydecho... gracious43 2012/11/11 18:46:36
    Lydecho Rain (Лидия)
    I have been to Denmark many times, and I am moving there in less than a year. The people there are really nice, happy, and tolerant.
  • gracious43 Lydecho... 2012/11/11 19:08:51
    gracious43
    +2
    Uh huh.

    They might very well be. But the reality of wealth egalitarism is rapidly becoming eroded even in nice, happy and tolerant Denmark, as is becoming increasingly documented.
  • ren 2012/03/26 20:38:48
    Yes
    ren
    Do you mean Christian values? Traditional values would mean how women lived during pagan times before the rise of christanity by constantine the traitorous. Im sure there are still christian women who submit to there husbands and have sex in the missionary position and follow the bible by not speaking out of turn and whom don't speak in churches as dictated by the bible and who basically do nothing without there husbands permission as said in the bible.
  • Jenai Goss ren 2012/11/10 08:36:39
    Jenai Goss
    +2
    There is nothing in the Bible about sex in the 'missionary' position (read "Song of Solomon" if you want to understand the Bible's take on the erotic side of marraige). Also, while you are correct that women weren;t to 'speak out of turn', you are playing fast and glib with your context and translation. Women cannot speak (such as gossiping with their neighbor, or asking questions which might interrupt the message) during the assembly (men should not do this either, but it was more of a problem with the women, hence, it was called out), but they may prophecy, sing, pray, or teach alongside their husbands. Widows had a bit more freedom than this, since they were not in subjection to their husbands or fathers- only to God. Pheobe, for example, was a commander of many, including Paul. In Christ there is no "male or female" (so as to show partiality towards one or the other), but the differing roels of the woman and man reflect the church as the bride of Christ, and even Christ's obedience to His father.

    And Constantine has nothing to do with the "rise of christianity". He instigated the rise of Catholiscism, but the Catholic church continued to persecute the christians who held to the gospel message.
  • Leah 2012/03/13 02:28:12
    No
    Leah
    +1
    Or at least I don't. I don't want my primary responsibility in life to be taking care of the home. I hate housework. And I don't believe in staying in an unhappy marriage.
  • Adam Leah 2012/03/14 00:42:10
    Adam
    +2
    At some point all who think that way are going to be unhappy, because they are searching for their mate to make them happy instead of looking at the good things in their relationship.
  • Leah Adam 2012/03/14 03:22:37
    Leah
    If you have a happy marriage, you will see the good things in your relationship. But if there is nothing good in your relationship, why would someone stay?

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