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Are the Rich Responsible for Their Own Success? (President Obama Thinks Not)

Chris D 2012/07/16 21:00:00
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The quote in question is from a recent presidential speech in Virginia is: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.' What in the world could President Obama have meant by that?

DAILYMAIL.CO.UK reports:
In a speech in Roanoke, Virginia, the President said: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that'. It sparked a furious response from the National Federation of Independent Businesses on Monday, who said it showed an 'utter lack of understanding'.
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  • TheBorg 2012/07/16 23:22:21 (edited)
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    TheBorg
    +45
    WTF? Never seen a quote taken more out of context. What I heard was that the workers of a company have a part in making that company successful and should be recognized by the company for their hard work. It is not the CEO who is taking the risk when creating a business, it is the worker.

    My case in point: in 2012 the Koch brothers made 11 billion in profit yet still laid off over 25% of their workers in Green Bay, many middle aged. Now they need to find retraining, find a job, and still support their families. Most ended up losing their homes or at the very least downsizing. What CEO has every lost their home, needed to be retrained, or lost their life savings trying to make ends meet after a business went under or they got fired?

    What I heard from Obama is that one man cannot make a successful business without good workers and good workers should be recognized for their contribution to the organization. Currently the climate is that only the CEO is of any importance and should take advantage of their workers any way they can.

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  • SW bpf 2012/07/18 13:49:48
    SW
    +2
    WHAT? They never had full veto proof control! They didn't even have 60 votes and some of their votes they did have were Joe Leiberman and some southern conservative "dixiecrats"

    Also during that measaly 2 years, Republicans fillibustered more times than ANY MINORITY IN HISTORY. Also during that time Bush DID use veto power 11 times.

    Pelosi's congress was the most obstructed congress in history. Unless you can identify some specific policies they got passed and tell me why those caused 8 years of gdp and job stagnation retroactively --you can't really blame them. There wasn't much they could do.

    Now the 6 previous years with Pubs in the House, Senate, Scotus, Potus, most governorships... they went wild with completely unopposed power. I remember telling my Republican parents at the time over coffee in 2001 "Well Republicans have EVERYTHING now... so it should be economic paradise any time... I'll be waiting." The Bush tax cuts are still in effect and I'm still waiting.
  • Franklin SW 2012/07/19 12:23:29
    Franklin
    you lie! the record for blocking by filibuster was set by democrats in the 2 years before they took congress !
    You just pissed that President bush did such a good job of rebuilding after the Dotcom crash and 9/11 and your guy has done such a bad job that we are now bankrupt !
  • SW Franklin 2012/08/09 13:43:40
    SW
    What are you smoking? The record is in the 111th congress with minority Republicans doing the filibustering! I'm not the one who's lying.

    smoking record 111th congress minority republicans filibustering lying

    See how I have you know facts and stuff to back me up? If you had those you'd be a liberal.

    We were bankrupt when "my guy" took office. He got stuck with the bill for "your guys" insane policies.
  • SW bpf 2012/07/18 13:53:18
    SW
    +2
    Also one thing I like to point out for pro lifers (off the subject I know) is that when Pubs had a huge majority in the house and senate, the presidency, most of the Supreme court was conservative appointed for 6 years... how many abortions did they stop?
  • Franklin bpf 2012/07/19 12:19:19
    Franklin
    so did the budget = democrats triggered the banking failure and they did it on purpose to grow their own power
  • SW Franklin 2012/08/09 13:47:58
    SW
    Democrats deregulated the market paving the way for the credit default swap industry? Really? In your fantasy world are there flying horses too? You might as well have them they'd be cool.

    "to grow their own power" hahah man yeah they're sitting around saying yeah lets crash the economy so we can "grow our own power" by losing the senate. How exactly do you get from banks making bad loans to Democrats getting power?

    Democrats want to lower MY taxes and raise their own. They sometimes stand up for things that would distinguish them from corporate lobbyists.
    Republicans ARE corporate lobbyists. They want to raise MY taxes and lower their own.
  • Franklin SW 2012/07/19 12:17:53
    Franklin
    +1
    gaining you say ? sorry kid but the fact is we are still losing jobs at a rate of greater than 40K a month - the workforce that Obama claims is only 8.2% unemployed is now smaller than it was in 1964 + we have 78 million people on SSI and Disability ....3 million fewer people are working now than when Obama took office , add to that the OVER the TOP spending (more than President bush in 8 years ) in less than 3 years and we can point at Obama (as history will ) and call him Americas greatest loser !
  • SW Franklin 2012/08/09 13:52:06
    SW
    Nope that would be Herbert Hoover. followed by TAFT followed I think pretty closely by GWB. Where are you getting these numbers? Mine are form the dept of Labor and Statistics for unemployment. So Obama disabled people?

    HAHAHAH over the top spending? Man you crack me up!

    dept labor statistics unemployment obama disabled people hahahah spending crack

    Try lowest federal spending since Eisenhower! And that's straight from the Republican run CBO!

    Seriously I'd put some winged horses in your fantasy world but give them laser eyes.
  • bpf TheBorg 2012/07/17 15:51:14
    bpf
    +3
    I hope you are adding President Obama pal and adviser Jeffrey Immelt CEO of GE who 1) GE not paid taxes in 3 years, 2) Has closed U.S. factories and moved 60% or more to China. What a tool for the left the Koch brothers give me a break at tleaste the companies are still mostly located in the U.S, where are the majority of the GE and other companies Obama has given Tax payer money to..wake up and smell the rose.
  • TheBorg bpf 2012/07/19 01:36:06
    TheBorg
    Read some of my other posts and you'll see what I think of Obama.
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  • Doc TheBorg 2012/07/18 20:20:38 (edited)
    Doc
    Actually, Mr. Obama WAS talking about small businesses, too.
  • homerii TheBorg 2012/08/06 15:05:01
    homerii
    A lot of them are hired to keep up with the stupid Govt. Regulations. There is an older lady and her family that raise peaches and other crops and they have a place that the built to sell to the people. Did you help her stupid? Oh, I get it , it was the car makers that allowed the to drive there to buy her goods. Your sorry behind along with Hussein did not help her in the field. Neither did illegals. Her grand children and children did. Obama has never had a real job in his life so how come all of a sudden he is so smart. DUMB!!!!!
  • TheBorg homerii 2012/08/07 01:41:53 (edited)
    TheBorg
    The key phrase in his speech was "...we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
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    Read the article
    read article
    ",,,Obama has signed bills with 17 small business tax cuts"
    http://www.politifact.com/tru...
  • TheBorg Rob 2012/07/17 00:17:26 (edited)
    TheBorg
    +4
    Clearly you are a right wing sock puppet since you obviously didn't watch the video which blasts Dems as well as repubs for crony capitalism.

    "Conservatives Selectively Edit Obama’s Speech To Claim He Hates Small Businesses"
    http://thinkprogress.org/medi...

    By the way, Obama has cut taxes on small businesses 17 times.
    http://www.politifact.com/tru...

    And the entire transcripts of the speech can be read here:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...

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  • Rob TheBorg 2012/07/17 01:45:04
    Rob
    +3
    Think Progress!!!! PolitiFact?? Now there are some unbiased sources. LOL!!
  • TheBorg Rob 2012/07/17 01:51:50
  • Franklin TheBorg 2012/07/17 13:02:26
    Franklin
    +4
    transcript at Obamaedit.com ...no thanks libtard !
  • SW Franklin 2012/07/17 15:05:35
    SW
    +3
    So the actual transcript isn't good enough? Wow.
  • Franklin SW 2012/07/19 12:25:02
    Franklin
    +1
    you posted edited BS and spin / not the speech . obama is a communist and he meant what he said - you believe that Government OWNS all property and profit so just stop pretending to not be a communist ....we see right threw you child!
  • Carrie TheBorg 2012/07/17 15:23:16
    Carrie
    +2
    and you are a liberal sock puppet. You are the pot calling the kettle black.
  • homerii TheBorg 2012/08/12 18:03:44
    homerii
    you can lick his boots if you want to but I as a retired person was taking care of a sick wife who passed away in May My taxes went up the last few years. What Hussein did was not to allow expenses and said you could use it the following year . The following year I got the same message. You can show your ignorance and believe his lies if you want to but where was his transparency and his posting bills on the net 5 days
    before they were voted on. You liberals believe his lies still ARE you better off now than before only if you are on welfare and food stamps. DUMMY
  • ashlyn Rob 2012/07/17 14:59:30
    ashlyn
    +3
    You're out of YOUR mind. You've obviously never WORKED for a business before.
  • SW Rob 2012/07/17 15:15:17
    SW
    +2
    I have. And I KNOW that I didn't create the internet that it ran on. Nor did I create the regulations I helped engineers comply with. Nor did I create the courts and police who enforced my contracts, nor the structured society in which my business could function at all. All that cost money --You act like it's all free and happens by magic. Like the spoiled teenager who doesn't want to play by his parents' rules because he thinks rent gets paid and power gets paid by faeries. It's positively infantile.
  • John Rob 2012/12/13 15:23:07
    John
    You are definitly in the Dumb class. Don't know your Arse from a first base!
    How do you know if a "Rich" entrenapeur ever lost his wealth? Whats your secret to all this knowledge base?

    Please Oh Profit , let us poor folks in on your secret knowledge that you profess to possess!
  • Jackie ... TheBorg 2012/07/16 23:57:57
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    You need to listen to his speech again - your points are certainly good but that is not what Obama said at all.
  • TheBorg Jackie ... 2012/07/17 00:25:01
    TheBorg
    +5
    "Conservatives Selectively Edit Obama’s Speech To Claim He Hates Small Businesses"
    http://thinkprogress.org/medi...

    By the way, Obama has cut taxes on small businesses 17 times.
    http://www.politifact.com/tru...

    And the entire transcripts of the speech can be read here:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...

    so help me out here, where is Obama singling out small business?
  • Jackie ... TheBorg 2012/07/17 00:56:07
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +7
    Think progress?????? Really????? I heard what he said and he has made it clear that he wants this county to be government run in every way - which is why he must be ousted - a very bad man for America
  • chgo Jackie ... 2012/07/17 01:27:32
    chgo
    +6
    who gives a fu#k if it;s Think Progress? did you read the article? It gives you the references they used to support their claim.

    Reading is power. Next time, read first then speak.
  • TheBorg chgo 2012/07/17 01:38:57 (edited)
    TheBorg
    +6
    You have to remember that the right is brain washed.
    remember brain washed
    Here is an article with a reference link to the research that proves people who watch Fox News are the most misinformed people.
    http://articles.businessinsid...
    **Notice it is from the conservative BusinessInsider**
    Right wingers are unable to read or listen to a news article without having a talk radio host explain it to them. Unlike the vast majority of moderates who read an article and know which parts are opinion and which are claiming to be fact, and if we question those facts, which we usually do, we then research the accuracy of what was said. The right takes one look at who the article is written by and with great prejudice, accepts or rejects the article BEFORE even being read.

    "Just because a person who criticizes you is an idiot doesn’t make him wrong" - Roger Rosenblatt

    or in political terms, "Just because the person writing the article is biased, doesn't automatically make him wrong."
  • chgo TheBorg 2012/07/17 01:49:12
    chgo
    +3
    lol. I know. It's odd how they so quickly just jump to conclusions as soon as they read the words "Think Progress". I believe they call that prejudice.
  • TheBorg chgo 2012/07/17 04:22:39 (edited)
    TheBorg
    +4
    Funny thing is, i stumbled across the "Think Progressive" website while looking for the transcripts of Obama's speech on Google. I can also honestly say I've never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, but I have for other positions.

    If you really want to have some fun and see just how brainwashed the right wing is, post negative comments about a Republican and you will be called a lib'rul, socialist, commie pink-o lefty even if you are a moderate. To the Republican sheeple, if you are not a right-wing brainwashed nutjob, you are a lefty-lib'rul.
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  • Jackie ... chgo 2012/07/17 13:24:21
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Nope, not if you keep up with them and realize that they do not tell truth - now I will agree that they are good at their spin, much better than Media Matters or Daily KOS but still speak in half truths and some down right lies.
  • SW Jackie ... 2012/07/19 13:31:53
    SW
    I haven't found any lies on Media Matters. Can you be more specific? I HAVE seen obvious easily debunked lies form places like the Heritage Foundation.
  • Jackie ... SW 2012/07/19 13:34:04
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    I am sure you haven't - those who are uniformed generally believe what ever they push.
  • Jackie ... TheBorg 2012/07/17 13:11:13
  • SW Jackie ... 2012/07/17 15:09:55
    SW
    +2
    That phrase out of context sounds bad even though it's 100% true. If you have a business, did you build the roads you ship products on? Did you fund ARPnet (the internet)? Did you build the space program and put up your own communication satelites? Nope... Government did. In other words half your work was done for you already. Don't believe me? Go start your business in Somalia. No government there... see how that goes.
  • Jackie ... SW 2012/07/17 17:03:59
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Yes, the tax payer paid for and owns every damn thing invented by government - every single one of us and it is wise to remember that basic piece of information. The monolith you seem to favor is and does nothing without our money, our ideas, out input, our scientists hired with our money and we own it, not the other way around.

    Oh and it was the defense department built the internet (that department Obama wants to gut - you remember) or maybe it was Gore but most intelligent people know it was the defense department. As to roads, are you under the impression that they did not exist before the government - if so you are sadly mistaken - seems we did business for some time before the interstate system was built.

    The stupidity of thinking that government began all positive things before anything was invented is stunning. Stunningly stupid.
  • SW Jackie ... 2012/07/19 13:27:49
    SW
    Go check out the roads in a place with a really small government! In fact, why aren't you moving there now? There's no taxes... no government... You should do great! Send us a post card from your mansion in Somalia. Otherwise you're a statist just like me because you chose the safety and benefits of living in an ordered society where more people have the opportunity to succeed and no one starves to death.

    Yes the defense dept created the internet what's your point? I don't see Obama "gutting" it at all, maybe getting rid of some planes we never ever use and never will. Is there any room in your mind for nuance between cutting wasteful programs and "gutting the defense department?"

    And what place with "no government" ever had anything like our interstate highway system? Your rant reminds me of the "What have the Romans ever done for us..." skit in Monty Pithon's Life of Brian.

    Just because you chose to live in denial of these facts doesn't make them "stupid." More innovation comes when more people have the opportunity to achieve it. An ordered society with an accountable government makes that possible. Who put a man on the moon? Got rid of Small Pox?
  • Jackie ... SW 2012/07/19 13:32:53
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    The far left answer is to be Somalia - I will not have to move.
  • SW Jackie ... 2012/07/20 12:24:39
    SW
    No that's the far right. Somalia has NO government... no taxes, guns everywhere... it's a tea-bag paradise!

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