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Are the Rich Responsible for Their Own Success? (President Obama Thinks Not)

Chris D 2012/07/16 21:00:00
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The quote in question is from a recent presidential speech in Virginia is: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.' What in the world could President Obama have meant by that?

DAILYMAIL.CO.UK reports:
In a speech in Roanoke, Virginia, the President said: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that'. It sparked a furious response from the National Federation of Independent Businesses on Monday, who said it showed an 'utter lack of understanding'.
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  • TheBorg 2012/07/16 23:22:21 (edited)
    What the... ?
    TheBorg
    +45
    WTF? Never seen a quote taken more out of context. What I heard was that the workers of a company have a part in making that company successful and should be recognized by the company for their hard work. It is not the CEO who is taking the risk when creating a business, it is the worker.

    My case in point: in 2012 the Koch brothers made 11 billion in profit yet still laid off over 25% of their workers in Green Bay, many middle aged. Now they need to find retraining, find a job, and still support their families. Most ended up losing their homes or at the very least downsizing. What CEO has every lost their home, needed to be retrained, or lost their life savings trying to make ends meet after a business went under or they got fired?

    What I heard from Obama is that one man cannot make a successful business without good workers and good workers should be recognized for their contribution to the organization. Currently the climate is that only the CEO is of any importance and should take advantage of their workers any way they can.

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  • lynn OneLast... 2012/07/24 05:13:06
    lynn
    +1
    Thanks for the input, 508th. I don't even begin to pretend to be an expert on tax laws or the way the government interacts with large corporations, but I do know what I've observed in my lifetime. I know our local government leaders were falling all over themselves a few years ago, trying to lure a major manufacturer here with as many tax breaks and incentives as they could come up with. I know that my friends on the lines at a couple of major auto assembly plants have seen their wages and benefits slashed while their CEO's and other executives rake in not only high salaries, but bonuses and retirement plans that set them up for life while the corporation (according to their own numbers) tripled their profits from a couple of years ago. Granted, this is coming from the employees, but I trust their word as they're the ones working there.

    One would have to write a book to even begin to explore all the details of our current economic system, and as I said, there's limited space here. All I know is when the working class has enough money to cover all their expenses (housing, transportation, medicine, food, school, taxes, clothing, etc.), plus a reasonable amount of extra to spend or invest, more goods are sold and the economy gets a major boost and becomes more stable. Agai...

    Thanks for the input, 508th. I don't even begin to pretend to be an expert on tax laws or the way the government interacts with large corporations, but I do know what I've observed in my lifetime. I know our local government leaders were falling all over themselves a few years ago, trying to lure a major manufacturer here with as many tax breaks and incentives as they could come up with. I know that my friends on the lines at a couple of major auto assembly plants have seen their wages and benefits slashed while their CEO's and other executives rake in not only high salaries, but bonuses and retirement plans that set them up for life while the corporation (according to their own numbers) tripled their profits from a couple of years ago. Granted, this is coming from the employees, but I trust their word as they're the ones working there.

    One would have to write a book to even begin to explore all the details of our current economic system, and as I said, there's limited space here. All I know is when the working class has enough money to cover all their expenses (housing, transportation, medicine, food, school, taxes, clothing, etc.), plus a reasonable amount of extra to spend or invest, more goods are sold and the economy gets a major boost and becomes more stable. Again, I'm no expert, but this seems to be a bit of a no-brainer.

    I was president of a small corporation years ago, and even then I didn't understand all the hoops and ladders of our tax system (thankfully we had a good accountant and a good lawyer), but I do know when our local economy was solvent, the majority "working class" were able to pay their bills and live securely if they held a decent job. Now, with the elimination of pensions, cuts in wages and benefits, and outsourcing of jobs, I look around and see those who have worked and supported the system facing foreclosures, unable to afford health insurance, unable to meet their basic needs, and struggling just to keep their taxes payed. I see small businesses going under with little or no help, while the large conglomerates receive direct bailouts. So whatever the details may be, something is definitely wrong with the big picture.
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  • lorraine_ball 2012/07/18 16:37:13
    Yes, of couse they are!
    lorraine_ball
    +4
    I have tried several times to start a small business. I didn't see anyone else helping me write the business plans, promoting it at every business meeting I could attend, and all the other decision that had to happen. It was real work done by me and some people that wanted this business to make it. But it wasn't the government. All the government ever did was to make more paper work to fill out which took away time in promoting it. I finally had to call it a day because my health couldn't stand the demand I put on my body. So in my limited experience, small businesses work because their owner worked hard for years to see that it happened.
  • amoobrasil lorrain... 2012/07/18 18:21:10
    amoobrasil
    Your complaint echoes that of the many sole proprietors I have known over the years, Lorraine_ball. Unlike what "conservatives" flippantly call " socialistic" countries, our country, by favoring Corporate America, not only diverts assistance from small businesses but also provides and uneven playing field tipped in favor of Big Business and Big Agriculture and against small businesses and small farmers. In any other developed country, for example, a sole proprietor does not have to concern himself with providing his own health coverage.
  • lorrain... amoobrasil 2012/07/19 17:33:09 (edited)
    lorraine_ball
    I wasn't complaining. Just stating a fact that people that start businesses work hard, very hard. No one else built my business, it was mine alone to build or shut down. I believe that if you have a business that is a success it is because you work hard and spent very long hours doing it.
  • amoobrasil lorrain... 2012/07/21 20:15:47
    amoobrasil
    If it didn't matter where you built that business (think Bangladesh or Bolivia), then you are right. If you relied upon educated employees and on the local and national infrastructures, or on the support of other entities or individuals, then you did not build the business yourself.

    I am simply elaborating on the no-man-is-an-island cliché. Appreciating support, good health, etc., is part of humility and gratitude. Much more than a successful business is at issue.
  • lorrain... amoobrasil 2012/07/25 15:35:27
    lorraine_ball
    So the next time I open a business, I'll go home and let the "others" build it and see how well that turns out!
  • Common Sense Conservative 2012/07/18 16:28:12
    What the... ?
    Common Sense Conservative
    +2
    He's digging deeper and deeper and deeper and this hole he will never get out of.
  • Bopicks 2012/07/18 16:26:25
    Yes, of couse they are!
    Bopicks
    +6
    Government is to promote the growth of us. However, true business people bust their butts by themselves. Obama is trying create class war and target businesses whi disapprove
  • BrianD3 2012/07/18 16:21:53
    Yes, of couse they are!
    BrianD3
    +6
    For the most part they are, who are all the socialist bastards that voted the other way?
  • Dave**Gay for Girls** 2012/07/18 16:03:14 (edited)
    Yes, of couse they are!
    Dave**Gay for Girls**
    +6
    He's never done anything worthwhile in his life, so of course he'd say something stupid like that.
  • amoobrasil Dave**G... 2012/07/18 18:24:26
    amoobrasil
    Please substantiate this statement, specifically your allegation that Obama " has never done anything worthwhile in his life," and that his speech (an excerpt from which follows) is "stupid".

    "Barack Obama said that successful Americans “didn’t get there” on their own.

    The official transcript relates:

    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. [Emphasis added]

    He continued:

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. [Emphasis added]"
  • WF - Rumpelstiltskin -PWCM~JLA 2012/07/18 15:56:02
    Yes, of couse they are!
    WF - Rumpelstiltskin -PWCM~JLA
    +7
    Liberals are trying to twist the word that came out of Obama's mouth to make it positive but you can't change the sh*t he puked out. Obama straight out stated that without the roads and bridge built by the government the successful business owner could not be successful. I watch the liberal media trying to say that what Obama was saying is it was the worker and not the CEO who risked everything. WTF.

    Do they really think that if a investor did not invest in an idea and create a business that those worker would have a job. That is like saying you could go and work for Mc Donalds before it was ever became a fast food restaurant.

    Now remember, Obama was touting how he captured and kill Osama. By Obama's standards not even the Navy Seal Team 6 killed Osama. It was the manufacture of the carbon fiber material used to build the helicopters they flew. The metal worker who melted and pour the metal used to build the bullet. The textile companies that made the uniforms, the tech company the built the night vision. By far Obama had nothing to do with the killing of Osama, remember the helicopter could not have flown without the air GOD created. So he can not take credit.
  • aleksan... WF - Ru... 2012/07/18 16:05:50
    aleksandr savchenkov
    I agree with what you said, (except for the god part. I'm a pastafarian) but the quote was interpreted wrong, or rather, he worded it wrong. What he was saying is that the rich cannot claim COMPLETE credit for their success, just as Obama can't claim complete credit for killing Osama.
  • WF - Ru... aleksan... 2012/07/18 18:05:41
    WF - Rumpelstiltskin -PWCM~JLA
    +2
    There is no interrupting of his speech. The man said what he said, just like Romney stated yes he has so called off shore account. No interrupting there, just like the Obama's and Biden have off shore accounts. There is no shame in having and making money nor the use of legal tax shelters.

    Remember the Obama campaign are attacking Romney for his record of being the CEO of Bain Capital after 1999, yet Bain did not change their documents to reflect the current CEO and Obama financier Jonathan Lavine. Odd, Jonathan Lavine is the man in charge of Bain during the years they exported jobs to China.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.c...
  • Fortuna... WF - Ru... 2012/07/20 15:33:16
    FortunaVeritas
    +1
    I believe you're slightly confused here. It is Conservative bloggers and talk show hosts and Presidential Candidates who are taking the words of our current President out of context in order to try to smear him on the grounds of a message that he was not sending.
  • AM 2012/07/18 15:31:47
    Yes, of couse they are!
    AM
    +8
    I thought it was ridiculous when Elisabeth warren said it months ago but passed it off as more craziness coming out of Cambridge from a woman already discredited by her falsifying her Native American status.I was shocked and appaulled that a POTUS would also make such a wild accusation.Yes I had help achieving the success I have it called being raised right by my Parents in my youth.Teaching me that I was accountable for whatever level of success I chose guiding me on how to achieve that.Once an adult I knew my future was in my own hands.There in lies the difference between those who believe the government is their Daddy and what a pathetic existence that must be. elisabeth warren successful didn t acheive it alone
  • aleksan... AM 2012/07/18 16:10:20
    aleksandr savchenkov
    +2
    I guarantee you that if you ever cide to construct a factory that you are not going to do it with your bare hands, and that there will be other people also partially responsible for the construction of the factory. Thats why banks get interest from loans. They are partially responsible for your success by making money available to you when you need it most. Thus, they get to make a partial profit off of it too.
  • AM aleksan... 2012/07/18 16:31:32
    AM
    +2
    I'd play it smart and go the venture capitalist/angel investor route .But really who in their right mind would build a factory in America? Between over regulation and the excessive fees associated with that add obama wanting to cut further into your profit margin with increased taxation you'd have to be a fool.
  • Common ... aleksan... 2012/07/18 16:32:06
    Common Sense Conservative
    Who ultimately takes the blame of a failed company?
  • Fortuna... AM 2012/07/20 15:26:16
    FortunaVeritas
    So taxes don't pay for roads or public schools now?
  • AM Fortuna... 2012/07/20 23:14:52
    AM
    Yes taxes most certainly do for ALL the people, even those who pay zero.We by order of the Supreme Court are ordered to pay for the public education of non Americans including those here illegally.Those without children still pay a portion of their income taxes to support public education yet will never utilize them.And those of us who live on private roads with private services we pay for still pay for all who use the waste removal,snow plowing maintenance and repair including repaving to which I paid a $25000.00 dollar assessment for last year.I find it the most humorous on the "fair share" argument from liberals...except under the tax code
  • Fortuna... AM 2012/08/30 02:12:32
    FortunaVeritas
    You fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of public education if you think whether someone has children enrolled in public schools or not should make a difference.
  • AM Fortuna... 2012/08/30 05:00:12
    AM
    I fully understand it's purpose.More so I fully understand it's miserable failure to achieve it's purpose.I did something about it .I helped found a charter high school 11 years ago ,long before most people even knew what they were.Putting my time effort skills knowledge and more money than most people will earn in a lifetime into it.You?
  • Incognito 2012/07/18 15:28:12
    No, they've gotten help from others.
    Incognito
    Customers, customers, customers.
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/07/18 15:10:13
    Yes, of couse they are!
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    Obamamind frame is collective and that is communism !!!! But look at his friends and family!! A man whose childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union, edited a communist newspaper, authored pornographic novels, and wrote poetry in praise of Joseph Stalin.
    Can you understand it NOW !!!!!
  • erika 2012/07/18 14:53:07
    Yes, of couse they are!
    erika
    +1
    Most of them yes cause they wanted it to happen and made it happen.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/18 14:52:41
    What the... ?
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    WHAT COULD A LIAR KENYAN PROVIDE THAT America could not have gotten from the Founding Fathers although they were White (I Think)/////???????????????
  • amoobrasil jackola... 2012/07/18 15:33:44
    amoobrasil
    Please cite any credible source proving that Obama is Kenyan and that he is a liar. You do know that Politifact.com rates his statements as 89% true or mostly true, right?
  • aleksan... jackola... 2012/07/18 16:12:22
    aleksandr savchenkov
    Your post was so incomprehensible my Iq went down 10 points.
  • Common ... aleksan... 2012/07/18 16:33:36 (edited)
    Common Sense Conservative
    Wow, now your IQ is zero.
  • 001 2012/07/18 14:49:29
    What the... ?
    001
    +1
    Maybe some are, but if your parents are already rich it is a lot easier to get rich yourself. There is no such thing as an equal chance to succes.
  • amoobrasil 001 2012/07/18 15:37:56
    amoobrasil
    +1
    We all know that a poor boy lacking in a good education, brought up unloved and mostly abandoned does not have the very same chance at success in any (honest) business undertaking. Thank you for injecting this bit of common sense into this catalog of American myths of the self-made man.
  • Common ... amoobrasil 2012/07/18 16:35:40 (edited)
    Common Sense Conservative
    Yes, everyone has the same opportunity, it's just the route to get there may be different.
  • amoobrasil Common ... 2012/07/19 19:25:07
    amoobrasil
    I want to get this right. Are you really saying that every person born and reared in the US has the same opportunities to succeed as did, say Mitt Romney?
  • Common ... amoobrasil 2012/07/19 23:57:54
    Common Sense Conservative
    100%, maybe not the same route or the same career, but yes, EVERYBODY has the opportunity to succeed.
  • StanKerr 2012/07/18 14:35:59
    Yes, of couse they are!
    StanKerr
    +1
    If you listen to Obama, any slob can get rich, just because they get some 'help'. That fact that so few are rich suggests they have something special, and that would be the intelligence, drive and discipline to make a fortune while the slob is waiting for 'help'.
  • JanHopkins 2012/07/18 14:29:10
    No, they've gotten help from others.
    JanHopkins
    +2
    The rich should be credited with coming up with a viable idea and setting the wheels in motion. I'm pretty sure the first thing they do is to look for others interested in the project, then they find lawyers and financial experts to lay out the plans. Then they search for a place to do business, perhaps renting or building accomodations with the help of archetects and manual labor. Then they hire expert people to run the offices and if manufacturing is involved they hire general labor. No they didn't build it by themselves, but without their ideas and guidance no one else would be working either.
  • amoobrasil JanHopkins 2012/07/18 15:40:57
    amoobrasil
    Excellent, common-sensical summary of the issues, JanHopkins. To believe that a successful (and honest) businessman owes his success to himself is to say that he could have taken his ideas, knowledge, creativity, etc., and done the same thing in Somalia or Haiti.
  • Common ... amoobrasil 2012/07/18 16:37:49
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    And each and every one of these people are hired and getting paid whether the business makes a profit or not. But, the man that actually starts it can loose his @ss.
  • amoobrasil Common ... 2012/07/19 19:35:30
    amoobrasil
    His employees will then likely lose their health-insurance coverage and their incomes. It can be at least as difficult in this economy to find a new job as it is to recovery from a business failure. Businesspeople have the fortuitous option to incorporate, and--in so doing--protect all property not owned by the corporation. Finally, the corporatist policies of the GOP leave the small businessman and the small farmer competing with behemoths heavily favored by subsidies, tax cuts, tax havens, and access to cheap labor abroad, none of these being available to the small businessman. Small businesspeople lose their businesses to huge box chains, like Wal-Mart, thanks in no small measure to GOP corporatist ideology (not to be confused with real conservatism).

    When the Bush recession came raging down upon us, it was not the wealthy investors that lost gluteal fiber; it was the rest of us. We bailed our at great cost and suffering to ourselves the banks, hedge funds, etc., that had squandered our pensions and cost so many of us our livelihoods.

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