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Are the changes in credit card charges good for you?

EagleEye 2009/05/20 22:00:29
It will not help anyone! How stupid can Congress be?
I believe that it will help every card holder...a good law!
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This is perhaps one of the dummest moves by Congress...Republicans and Democrats......

This law does not go into effect for nine months. Don't you think the credit card companies are going to raise rates before that time! I have news for you...they already are doing it...JPO Morgan CHASE cards already sent letters to all of their cardholders notifying them of the rate change...and either accept it or lose your credit privilages!


WASHINGTON – Every American with a credit card will see sweeping changes in the market, with limits on sudden hikes in interest rates that drive consumers deeper into debt. Even cardholders who pay off their balance each month may face new annual fees or lose out on lucrative rewards programs.

Congress wrapped up the legislation Wednesday and sent it to President Barack Obama, who plans to sign it on Friday. The bill will revolutionize the market by restricting when and how a card company can raise an individual's interest rate, who can receive a card and how much time people are given to pay their bill.

In general, the new rules — which go into effect in nine months — will protect debt-ridden consumers from many of the surprise charges common in the industry, such as over-the-limit fees and costs for paying a bill by phone.

"This cements a victory for every American consumer who has ever suffered at the hands of the credit card industry," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Banking Committee.

But there will be losers too.

Banks, which oppose the legislation, will need to make up the cost somewhere, and cardholders who pay off their balance in full each month could see new annual fees and lucrative rewards programs canceled. Credit could become harder to come by too.

Some of the changes, including a requirement that cardholders receive 45-days notice before their rates are raised, are already on track to take effect in July 2010 under new regulations by the Federal Reserve. The legislation would put these changes into law and go farther in restricting when and how banks charge people and who could get a card.

For example, the bill would require people under 21 to prove first that they can repay the money or that a parent or guardian is willing to pay off their debt if they default.

The House passed the reform bill by a 361-64 vote on Wednesday. The Senate had voted, 90-5, for the measure on Tuesday.

Consumer advocates say it's up to the banks to decide what happens next.

Nick Bourke, manager of the Safe Credit Cards Project at the Pew Health Group, said companies already offering transparent pricing won't have to drastically change how they do business. Lenders could probably cover costs with small annual fees in the $15-$20 range or increase upfront interest rates, he said.

"Nothing requires pricing to go up and benefits to go down," Bourke said. "The only thing that is required is that the price offered actually reflects the cost of using the card."

Regardless of how banks respond to the bill, it's passage this week reflects both America's addiction to debt and easy credit's contribution to the economic downturn.

Last year, the Nilson Report estimated that more than 700 million credit cards were in circulation in the United States. That's more than two cards for every man, woman and child.

What's more is that many cardholders are carrying hefty balances. According to the Federal Reserve, the nation is some $2.5 trillion in debt, excluding home mortgages.

Lawmakers supporting the bill say legislation is necessary to stop a vicious cycle: A cardholder falls behind on one bill and watches helplessly as the rate spikes on their existing balance. Buried in interest fees and other charges, they spend less, which hurts local businesses.

Under the bill, a customer would have to be more than 60 days behind on a payment before seeing a rate increase on an existing balance. Even then, the lender would be required to restore the previous, lower rate if the cardholder pays the minimum balance on time for six months.

The practice of charging higher rates and fees to cardholders with risky credit was devised as a means to protect lenders against the risk of default while keeping costs low for consumers who paid their bill on time, said Edward Yingling, president and CEO of the American Bankers Association, which lobbied against the legislation.

Yingling says the new rules will limit the card companies' ability to price according to risk.

"Less credit will be available generally, which means some consumers and small businesses will not be able to obtain credit cards at all, particularly younger people and start-up small businesses," Yingling said.

Dodd, who championed the bill, said this argument is absurd and "a little like Chicken Little."

Flooded with complaints by constituents who say they are victims of abusive practices by the card companies, the Senate fast-tracked Dodd's bill and only five senators voted against it.

Two of the opposing senators — GOP Sen. John Thune and Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson — were from South Dakota, where thousands of jobs depend on the industry. Thune estimated up to 5,000 workers in the state would lose their jobs as a result of the changes.

Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote.
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  • Roxi 2009/06/09 14:44:12
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    Roxi
    I think that if this law does not take effect for nine months the credit card companies will start raising rates before then. I don't believe that credit card companies should just be able to raise rates anytime for any reason or target young people for credit cards without a co-signer, though. Credit card companies will probably find a way to get around this law so people need to use credit wisely. I have credit cards but I use them sparingly, pay my bills on time and try not to run a balance for very long. People like me should not be punished by credit card companies with greater rate hikes. If someone is unhappy with their credit card company they can always pay off the bill and not use the card.
  • TrueRedWhite&Blue 2009/05/23 18:09:15
    Undecided
    TrueRedWhite&Blue
    Those who dug a deep hole in to debt, knew better when they had to have the stuff now/ up size the house, ETC.
    I saw it all as a trap that was going to close fast. Sure it looked good. But when you payed 125,000 for a house and 7 to 10 years later they were selling for 750,000. I'm thinking sounds great but I sell and buy for the inflated price. Then the question (one must always ask oneself)
    What happens if....
    Well it's happened. I'm glad I didn't do anything rash, and just kept paying my debt down.....

    When the Legalized Loan SHARKS raise their rates, Then the credit cards meet Mr. Torch and get melted.
  • Sumo- Living for the new year! 2009/05/21 18:00:01
    It will not help anyone! How stupid can Congress be?
    Sumo- Living for the new year!
    They will find a loop hole, back door,call it what you will. In the end the consumers will get screwed!
  • ol_crank_arm 2009/05/21 13:12:34
    Undecided
    ol_crank_arm
    +1
    I'm not actually 'undecided', but ...

    Credit cards are a financial trap that I've resisted for nearly 30 years now. I'd also got completely free of bank accounts about 10 years ago too.

    If you think the fine print in credit card contracts is a quagmire of tricks and misleading phrasology, you should read the banking statutes!

    There are federal statutes that put you firmly under federal jurisdiction and subject you to 'extra-constitutional' obligations and diminished 'rights' when you conduct direct business with the federal government,

    The banking statutes are full of those interconnections! Why? Because the Constitution strictly forbids paper currency and in order for government and the banksters to defy the Constitution, all their trechery has to occur in exclusively federal jurisdiction where none of its limitations apply.
  • Sugar Drop 2009/05/21 09:53:07
    Undecided
    Sugar Drop
    I have no idea cause I live in Australia lol :D also I dont have a credit card LOL
  • tiotom77 2009/05/21 06:03:44
    Undecided
    tiotom77
    +1
    I cut up my credit cards a long time ago...I use a debit card..same as credit except the money comes straight from my checking account..No money in my checking..no charge!

    I believe messing with interest rates doesn't address the real problem..People are in massive debt..until they can get a zero balance on their cards, it won't matter what Congress does..Debt is debt and interest only happens when you don't balance your cards to zero!
  • ol_cran... tiotom77 2009/05/21 13:18:15
    ol_crank_arm
    +1
    All well and good ... but ... you need to realize that if all debt were 'paid off' there would be ... no 'money'!

    That's what paper currency is ... debt certificates.
  • bob 2009/05/21 04:33:53
    It will not help anyone! How stupid can Congress be?
    bob
    +1
    Another step towards crushing capitalisim.... how sad..
  • nigel bob 2009/05/21 12:56:38
    nigel
    +1
    Hey, Bob, I am still trying to get a grip of this one. As a card holder who had his payment date shifted three times causing three late payments and a resultant interest rate of 28.9%, I can see wanting to reign this in. We have laws against usury and that comes pretty close to it.

    (disclaimer: I have since paid off all my cards and use them sparingly...but this can hurt my credit rating)

    Reagan deregulated the interest rates in 1980. This did encourage the generation of capital for the banks but I think it begins to enslave the cards users. It is like working for the company store, as the old song goes.

    I haven't read over all the bill does but I would love to hear this argument. I heard a bit of your point of view on the radio but sort of bristled at the implications.

    Thanks!
  • ol_cran... bob 2009/05/21 13:22:47
    ol_crank_arm
    +1
    As if paper debt-currency, central bank controlled interest rates and government controlled labor, industrial and commodity markets even remotely approaches a Capitalist social system! We haven't enjoyed Capitalism and a Free Market since 1913!
  • bob ol_cran... 2009/05/21 15:18:33
    bob
    +1
    Your confusing it with the barter system..
  • ol_cran... bob 2009/05/21 16:07:57
    ol_crank_arm
    I'm not confusing squat Pal ... the world's governments (US included) reverted back to Mercantilism so they could resume control of commerce that was superceded by Capitalist driven Free Markets.
  • Dan Right 2009/05/21 04:33:03
    It will not help anyone! How stupid can Congress be?
    Dan Right
    +1
    so when I cancel my cards because I dont want the fees. These companies will drop me credit rating. Making it harder for even someone who pay on time get the credit they might need. Is that right?
  • EagleEye Dan Right 2009/05/21 16:06:28
    EagleEye
    Dan----don't cancel them...just don't use them....the bank after a while will cancel, but then it will not effect your credit score.
  • Dan Right EagleEye 2009/05/21 16:13:48
    Dan Right
    what if they dont cancel them now that they can and will charge a fee
  • Natalia 2009/05/21 00:38:46
    Undecided
    Natalia
    +1
    makes no difference to me, I believe in cash and the card I use is debit.

    "Niether a borrower or a lender be"
    Polonius to his son. Sharkespere
  • Gramma Lil 2009/05/20 23:30:01
    Undecided
    Gramma Lil
    +3
    I don't use credit cards..ever!! I pay cash!!
  • Natalia Gramma Lil 2009/05/21 00:42:46
    Natalia
    +2
    Bravo Gramma Lil! bravo gramma lil
  • Gramma Lil Natalia 2009/05/21 15:43:09
    Gramma Lil
    Thank you!!
  • Ken "Don't tread on me!" 2009/05/20 22:42:59
    Undecided
    Ken "Don't tread on me!"
    +1
    Actually I am decided - the law should help people who have credit cards now, but by decreasing the profitability and increasing the lenders' risk, they will most likely make it more difficult to get a credit card in the future.
  • tiotom77 Ken "Do... 2009/05/21 06:07:38
    tiotom77
    +2
    It just happened..I got my first credit card in college and I didn't have a job..I was pre-approved..Why? I don't know..Now you'll have to be 18 with a job to get a card..good or bad, you decide!
  • Ken "Do... tiotom77 2009/05/21 18:21:40
    Ken "Don't tread on me!"
    It is the predictable outcome of such policies - the "unintended consequences" our lawmakers seldom consider.
  • manda~supermommy!!! 2009/05/20 22:21:00
    Undecided
    manda~supermommy!!!
    +3
    I don't use credit cards. Cash only!!!
  • EagleEye manda~s... 2009/05/20 22:35:10
    EagleEye
    +3
    Good for you!!!
  • Natalia manda~s... 2009/05/21 00:41:25
    Natalia
    +3
    Bravo Mandra Supermom....dont you like not having all the bills>?>

    I couldn't stand it!

    2 thumbs up! bravo mandra supermom bills 2 thumbs
  • Silverback 2009/05/20 22:08:58
    I believe that it will help every card holder...a good law!
    Silverback
    +1
    It will stop them from laying in wait for credit worthy people like me to slip on a single payment the wife stick on the bottom of the pile and winds up a day or two late, so yes. I always pay off by cards and they hate it.
  • EagleEye Silverback 2009/05/20 22:11:11
    EagleEye
    +2
    Under this new law you would be punished for paying your cards all off every month, by being charged fees for having the card. CC companies already said that is how they will raise the extra money lost by this law.
  • nigel EagleEye 2009/05/21 12:59:13
    nigel
    +1
    Yeah, this is what bothers me. You are a bad credit risk if you pay off your cards. This is what bothers me Eagle: the companies want to keep you in debt. The more you owe, the more they can claim they are worth and the stock goes up. This is kind of the cycle that drove us into the reccession. I am trying to get this one straight in my head.
  • Silverback EagleEye 2009/05/21 13:34:44
    Silverback
    Then the government push to eliminate paper money loses and everyone goes back to paying cash. Screw them all and their half baked green ideas. Remember green is also the color of cow shit.
  • tiotom77 Silverback 2009/05/21 06:11:51
    tiotom77
    +2
    Actually, I think the credit card companies like you to payoff early..I don't have credit cards anymore but when I did, I paid them off early, like you..Every time I'd balance at zero, they would raise my credit limit..I started at $500 and ended up at over $8000..I could've bought a car on my card!
  • Silverback tiotom77 2009/05/21 13:35:43
    Silverback
    +1
    They have offered me as much as $50,000 on a credit card. I'm not biting that apple.
  • EagleEye tiotom77 2009/05/21 16:08:43
    EagleEye
    .that was then...this is now!
  • EagleEye 2009/05/20 22:03:27 (edited)
    It will not help anyone! How stupid can Congress be?
    EagleEye
    +2
    Congress is just plain Stupid...they just don't get it.....This law to be effective should either be effective as of today or better yet...back dated! congress plain stupid law effective effective dated
  • tiotom77 EagleEye 2009/05/21 06:14:56
    tiotom77
    +1
    Congress needs to see the real problem..People are in massive debt..Changing interests rates just makes the sting of being in debt hurt a little less..BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL IN DEBT!

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