Gun Control has never been the answer before.
Yu control the citizen guns, make him feel nice and safe and hew gets a blast of Murder in the face and it happens all over again
More stringent Control Only supplies the "BAD GUYS, but that is what the Democrats want. "Blood in the streets" Truth of the matter?
Fully, Armed citizens Make for a free and Safe Society.
Are stiffer gun control laws the answer?
Angus
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It appears that the left has taken the approach to politicize
the Aurora Massacre to call for stricter gun laws and maybe even an outright
attack on the 2nd amendment. However, I suggest they look at Europe.
European countries do have strict laws. Even Switzerland, with the loosest, requires
a permit to buy a gun from a shop, while a mere written contract covers a
private sale. Britain outlawed pistols in 1997, a year after a man with four
licensed ones shot 16 children to death in a school playground in Dunblane,
Scotland. French licenses require a police and medical check and membership in
a gun club, and they expire after three years. It seems though that these laws
don’t deter anyone from committing violent crimes:
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The
UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927 –
and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbors, including
France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
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In Erfurt, Germany, an expelled student killed
13 teachers, 2 students, a policeman and himself.
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In Nanterre, France, a psychiatric patient shot
dead 8 city councilors with no warning or explanation.
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In September of 2001, a 57-year-old man angry
over a dispute with a bus driver threw a grenade and fired an assault rifle at
the regional legislature in Zug, Switzerland, killing 14.
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In November of 2007 an 18 year old entered the
Jokela Hich School in Finland with a semi-automatic pistol. He killed eight
people and wounded one person in the toe before shooting himself in the head.
He died later that evening in a Helsinki hospital.
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July 22, 2011. A 32-year-old Norwegian man bombed
the government center, killing 7 people, before heading to an island summer
camp for young members of the governing Labor Party and killing at least 80
people.
Around the world, from Australia to England, countries that
have recently strengthened gun-control laws with the promise of lowering crime
have instead seen violent crime soar. In the four years after the U.K. banned
handguns in 1996, gun crime rose by an astounding 40%. Since Australia's 1996
laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed
robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and
kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%.
Looking at this we should all be able to see that gun laws
are not the problem. The problem I see is enforcement and stiffer penalties. What do you think?
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jackolantyrn356 2012/07/24 14:38:38
Obama'sGun Control History ................................
obama
timeline
2012 June 20, 2012
Uses position to withhold documents tied to gun smuggling probe
http://abcnews.go.com/Politic... tempt-vote/story?id=16610613#...
May 10, 2012
Threatens to veto DOJ bill because it blocks gun control law
http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
April 22, 2012
Embraces executive orders to bypass Congress
http://www.infowars.com/we-ca...
February 21, 2012
At the U.N.: Pro-gun groups are stifled
http://www.heritage.org/resea...
February 17, 2012
Sneaks anti-gun measures into 2013 budget proposal
http://dailycaller.com/2012/0... ment-freedoms/
February 13, 2012
Cuts funds in half for armed pilot counter-terrorism program
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-...
2011 December 23, 2011
Says he won’t be bound by gun-control ban in omnibus
http://thehill.com/blogs/heal...
July 11, 2011
Authorizes administration’s first major gun regulation
http://www.rightsidenews.com/...
July 11, 2011
At the U.N.: Final Arms Trade Treaty talks under way
http://thenewamerican.com/usn...
July 7, 2011
Obama aide says gun legislation in "near future"
http://conte...
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Obama'sGun Control History ................................
obama
timeline
2012 June 20, 2012
Uses position to withhold documents tied to gun smuggling probe
http://abcnews.go.com/Politic... tempt-vote/story?id=16610613#...
May 10, 2012
Threatens to veto DOJ bill because it blocks gun control law
http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
April 22, 2012
Embraces executive orders to bypass Congress
http://www.infowars.com/we-ca...
February 21, 2012
At the U.N.: Pro-gun groups are stifled
http://www.heritage.org/resea...
February 17, 2012
Sneaks anti-gun measures into 2013 budget proposal
http://dailycaller.com/2012/0... ment-freedoms/
February 13, 2012
Cuts funds in half for armed pilot counter-terrorism program
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-...
2011 December 23, 2011
Says he won’t be bound by gun-control ban in omnibus
http://thehill.com/blogs/heal...
July 11, 2011
Authorizes administration’s first major gun regulation
http://www.rightsidenews.com/...
July 11, 2011
At the U.N.: Final Arms Trade Treaty talks under way
http://thenewamerican.com/usn...
July 7, 2011
Obama aide says gun legislation in "near future"
http://content.usatoday.com/c...
March 30, 2011
Says we’re working on gun control "under the radar"
http://www.washingtonpost.com...
March 15, 2011
Looks for ways around Congress on gun policy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
March 13, 2011
Calls for gun reforms following Tucson tragedy
http://azstarnet.com/article_...
February 28, 2011
At the U.N.: Debate over scope of global gun restrictions
http://www.armscontrol.org/ac...
February 8, 2011
At the U.N.: Agreement signed with anti-gun group IANSA
http://en.iansa.org/node/1498
obama
timeline
2010 November 15, 2010
Nominates anti-gun Andrew Traver to head ATF
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...
March 1, 2010
Busts plan to sell rifles to Americans
http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
September 15, 2010
Appoints anti-gun Greg Nickels to U.N. post
http://www.uscca.us/ccr/view_...
July 12, 2010
At the U.N.: Arms Treaty to include all conventional weapons
http://www.heritage.org/resea...
May 10, 2010
Nominates anti-gun Elena Kagan for Supreme Court Justice
http://www.washingtontimes.co...
2009 October 14, 2009
Reverses stance on treaty to regulate arm trade
http://www.reuters.com/articl...
May 26, 2009
Nominates anti-gun Sonia Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire...
April 22, 2009
Nominates anti-gun Cass Sunstein for top regulatory post
http://www.opposingviews.com/...
April 16, 2009
Says "90% of guns recovered in Mexico come from U.S."
http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
April 16, 2009
Assures he hasn’t "backed off at all" on pledge to restore gun ban
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-...
obama
timeline
2008 December 1, 2008
Nominates anti-gun Eric Holder for attorney general
http://www.examiner.com/conse...
December 1, 2008
Names anti-gun Hillary Clinton as secretary of state
http://www.issues2000.org/sen...
November 13, 2008
Weeds out gun owners from his White House staff
http://cnsnews.com/news/artic...
April 2, 2008
Says "I am not in favor of concealed weapons"
http://www.pittsburghlive.com...
February 16, 2008
Says right to bear arms "subject to common-sense regulation"
http://www.jsonline.com/news/...
February 15, 2008
Says microstamping is a "common-sense law"
http://www.buckeyestateblog.c...
January 15, 2008
Supports repealing the Tiarht Amendment
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2...
2007 April 22, 2007
Favors a ban on standard-capacity magazines
http://nraila.org/gun-laws/di...
2006 October 17, 2006
Says "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities."
http://usliberals.about.com/o...
January 31, 2006
Votes against Samuel Alito for Supreme Court Justice
http://www.washingtontimes.co...
2005 September 22, 2005
Votes against John Roberts for Supreme Court Justice
http://www.washingtontimes.co...
obama
timeline
July 29, 2005
Votes against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers
http://www.issues2000.org/201...
July 29, 2005
Votes to ban common rifle ammunition
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2...
2004 October 21, 2004
Says it’s "a scandal" Bush didn’t renew assault weapons ban
http://www.issues2000.org/200...
April 27, 2004
Says he continues to oppose concealed carry
http://articles.chicagotribun...
March 25, 2004
Votes against lowering FOID card age from 21 to 18
http://www.ilga.gov/legislati... 61&SessionID;=3&GA;=93
March 25, 2004
Votes to uphold local gun bans
http://www.ilga.gov/legislati... 61&SessionID;=3&GA;=93
March 25, 2004
Votes to uphold prosecution of people using guns in self-defense
http://www.ilga.gov/legislati... 61&SessionID;=3&GA;=93
2003 March 13, 2003
Votes to ban hundreds of common rifles & shotguns
http://www.ilga.gov/legislati... 4&SessionID;=3&GA;=93
obama
timeline
2001 July 5, 2001
Says he continues to favor handgun registration & licensing
http://www.guncite.com/gun_co...
February 20, 2001
Says "No reason why anybody should need an assault weapon"
http://www.guncite.com/gun_co...
2000
Co-sponsors bill to limit firearm purchases to one gun a month
http://civilliberty.about.com...
1999 December 13, 1999
Proposes banning gun stores within 5 mi. of schools & parks
http://michellemalkin.com/200...
December 13, 1999
Supports 500% tax increase on guns & ammo
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-f...
December 13, 1999
Supports ban on resale of police-issued firearms
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-f...
1998
Sits on Board of Directors for anti-gun Joyce Foundation
http://www.politico.com/news/...
July 2, 1998
Endorses a ban on sale or transfer of all semi-auto guns
http://www.issues2000.org/Bar...
1996 September 9, 1996
Supports ban on manufacture, sale & possession of handguns
http://www.thepoliticalguide....
obama
timeline
either a lone wolf, or a small number of people who are imbalanced to say the least, or
angry at society or the government......and take matters into their own hands.....Their
weapons do not have a mind of their own.......they are used by the sick minds....People who want to destroy...will find a way and a weapon to carry out their delusional thoughts.
regardless of the laws. Bad people are not deterred by LAWS....or threats.....
not the..
more focus should be given to the problem.
I grew up around guns and to date not a single soul has been hurt.
How many gun laws are there on the books and how many more new ones keep getting written?
How many "older" ones are enforced? If not, why not? If the older gun laws are not being enforced then what is the point of writing new ones? While older gun laws were designed to keep them out of the hands of criminals (and seem to have failed miserably) newer ones are aimed at removing them from everyone else and eventually melting them all down. Meanwhile, the criminals will still have them as will governments which themselves carry the potential of becoming criminals (Uganda in the 1970s being an example). Could such a thing happen in our country? I have to say that it could.
Folks, about one hundred years ago it was reasonably "expected" that pretty much everybody was armed in some manner. You might not have seen it, but it was there. Aside from events such as the O.K. Corral and an occasional assassination such as Jesse James or even Pat Garrett gun violence was rare. I did some checking and prior to 1900 there were very few such events anywhere in the world and none of them were in the United States.
That would indicate that either such events were not recorded prior to 1900 (but they were because I did see them recorded in other...
How many gun laws are there on the books and how many more new ones keep getting written?
How many "older" ones are enforced? If not, why not? If the older gun laws are not being enforced then what is the point of writing new ones? While older gun laws were designed to keep them out of the hands of criminals (and seem to have failed miserably) newer ones are aimed at removing them from everyone else and eventually melting them all down. Meanwhile, the criminals will still have them as will governments which themselves carry the potential of becoming criminals (Uganda in the 1970s being an example). Could such a thing happen in our country? I have to say that it could.
Folks, about one hundred years ago it was reasonably "expected" that pretty much everybody was armed in some manner. You might not have seen it, but it was there. Aside from events such as the O.K. Corral and an occasional assassination such as Jesse James or even Pat Garrett gun violence was rare. I did some checking and prior to 1900 there were very few such events anywhere in the world and none of them were in the United States.
That would indicate that either such events were not recorded prior to 1900 (but they were because I did see them recorded in other places) or none took place.
It would seem that "An armed society is a polite society." Robert Heinlein
Think about this for a few minutes. Would you provoke a person who "might" have a 380 semi-automatic in his waistband? Of course not, it is much safer to provoke or threaten someone which you KNOW is forbidden to be armed. In effect, more gun laws would do just that, forbid law abiding people to be armed. The very knowledge that the person a criminal is contemplating assaulting "might" be armed could be a deterent to a crime.
If anything, we need more guns and more responsible gun owners. Criminals who use guns for criminal purposes need to take long drops on short ropes just as they did in the 1880s.
When I studied Virginia History in 4th grade, I remember that in 17th and 18th Century times, settlers were required to have a musket and keep it with them. There was even a place to stack them in the Church while attending services.
While I will not argue to require everybody to have a weapon as that should be a matter for each person to decide for themselves, I will argue for everyone who does not show a pattern of criminal violence to be able to own and carry.
Keep your muskets high and your powder dry.
I prefer this baby .....................
Something a few of my friends made a point of correcting me on.
It's called a Special Application Scoped Rifle.
Sniper rifles are capable of something insane like a three shot under 1 inch group at 1000 yards. Don't remember the actual numbers though.
The Barrett can't reach that level of precision, but since it's mainly intended to use on vehicles which are larger than people it really doesn't need to be.
Plus they have the 300 Win. Mag. and 338 Lapua for long range sniping on people.
Yu control the citizen guns, make him feel nice and safe and hew gets a blast of Murder in the face and it happens all over again
More stringent Control Only supplies the "BAD GUYS, but that is what the Democrats want. "Blood in the streets" Truth of the matter?
Fully, Armed citizens Make for a free and Safe Society.
However; as you can see in Europe, if one wants to harm people even stiffer gun laws won't stop that from happening.
By law any sale across state lines requires the gun be shipped to a dealer for the background check.
That news story was about a few online ads for in state private sales, it made a huge deal about the online stuff, but it's no different than the dozens of guns available in the Newspaper classified ads.