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Are republicans dumb? 63 percent of them believe that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction when we invaded in 2003, despite even George W. Bush's acknowledgment that he didn't.

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Aw, yes, the party of know-nothings. We are reaching a democratic crisis of some sorts. One major
political party refuses to accept empirical truths. It has become a hall
of ideological mirrors.



WASHINGTON -- How misinformed are Republicans about world affairs? If
presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's assertion that
Russia is "without question our number one geopolitical foe" is any indication, then the answer would appear to be very.



A new poll supports that theory.



The poll, constructed by Dartmouth government professor Benjamin
Valentino and conducted by YouGov from April 26 to May 2, found that
fully 63 percent of Republican respondents still believed that Iraq had
weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003. By contrast,
27 percent of independents and 15 percent of Democrats shared that view.



Jim Lobe, chief of the Inter Press Service's Washington bureau, reported the finding in his blog on Wednesday.



The Bush administration's insistence that the Iraqi government had
weapons of mass destruction and might give them to terrorists was a key
selling point in its campaign to take the country to war. It turned out
to be untrue.



Debate continues over whether former President George W. Bush and
Vice President Dick Cheney, and other top officials knew there were no
WMD, but intentionally deceived
the American people and Congress because they were intent on attacking
Iraq for less palatable reasons -- or whether they managed to convince
themselves that it was true using cherry-picked intelligence.



There is no reality-based argument that Iraq actually had WMD, after
extensive searches found none, but this is hardly the first time many
Americans have been certain of something that simply wasn't true.



A Washington Post poll
in September 2003 found that nearly 70 percent of all Americans were
convinced that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 9/11
terrorist attacks -- even though he was not.



Bush, Cheney and others consistently linked
al Qaeda to Hussein in speeches they gave in the run-up to war, and the
media rarely pushed back. But neither Bush nor Cheney continued to
claim that there were actual WMDs in Iraq once the searches came up
empty -- although they both continued to insist that Saddam had the
"capability" to produce them.



Rather than a failure of the media, therefore, this latest poll
result seems to indicate a refusal -- unique to the modern Republican
Party -- to acknowledge facts.



According to this poll, an even larger proportion of Republican
respondents who said Iraq had WMD -- 64 percent -- said they have either
always believed (or have come to believe) that Barack Obama was born in
another country, which he was not.



Overall, the poll found Republicans to be considerably more militaristic in their worldview than Democrats and independents.



In a finding that would indicate plenty of GOP support for yet
another war in the Middle East, nearly two-thirds of Republicans said
it's very likely that if Iran produces a nuclear weapon, it would use it
against Israel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/iraq-wmd-poll-cluele...

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  • Manuel 2012/06/22 18:17:45
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    Manuel
    +8
    Actually it's not the Republican congress that is dumb. They are just hungry oil money evil Barrons out for the rich ...it's mostly the upper, middle and lower class conservative people who are the voters of the Republican party that are dumb because they just go along with all the lies of the GOP.

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  • Kozmo Manuel 2012/06/23 21:50:20
    Kozmo
    Personality Cult.
  • Manuel Kozmo 2012/07/08 04:19:02
    Manuel
    ? lol,,,what?
  • Kozmo Manuel 2012/07/08 21:58:52
    Kozmo
    A "Cult of Personality" arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as "charismatic authority". A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda.
  • Manuel Kozmo 2012/07/08 23:29:57
    Manuel
    +2
    o like they did with Reagan...understood....
  • DefendnProtect 2012/06/22 18:03:46
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    DefendnProtect
    Propaganda it's used on all sides. Most people believe propaganda Hitler gassed Jews on an industrial scale too.

    Zionist bankers propaganda
  • chgo Defendn... 2012/06/22 18:09:41
    chgo
    +3
    He did.
  • Defendn... chgo 2012/06/22 20:19:22
    DefendnProtect
    Please DO research it YOURSELF. Here's an atheist Jew researching the gassings in Auschwitz if you care to find out.

  • Manwë Defendn... 2012/06/23 06:56:41
  • Defendn... Manwë 2012/06/23 23:04:22
    DefendnProtect
    That side shows no evidence and entertains many easily proven falsehoods if you care to find out (most sides entertain the same falsehoods it's black funny if you know about them). A number of them are proven false if you cared to watch the video I presented to you.

    Surely you haven't watched the video I offered you.

    Is it really true Americans eat what their masters present them to eat or are there still some left who care about forming their own opinion based on painstakingly thorough research by themselves?
  • Manwë Defendn... 2012/06/24 02:13:56
    Manwë
    Excerpts from David Cole's retraction:

    I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's Jews during World War II, the Nazis employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable...

    I now understand that I owe it to the people I wronged to make a forceful repudication [sic] of my earlier views. I also owe a very large apology, not only to the many people I enraged, and to the family and friends I hurt, but especially to the survivors of the Holocaust, who deserve only our respect and compassion, not re-victimization.

    Therefore, to all of the above people, let me offer my most humble and very, very sincere apology. I am sorry for what (I) did, and I am sorry for the hurt I caused...
  • Defendn... Manwë 2012/06/24 08:43:38
    DefendnProtect
    Jewish Defence League (JDL) boasts that David Cole was afraid for his life and the relatives he supposedly is taking care of after they went after him:

    "What is a David Cole? Is it a sickness? Is it a mental disease? Is Cole merely a human parasite who clings to his ardent Nazi supporters and friends who back his ideas whole-heartedly? After all, this Cole mania that the media have played on, don't you think it's time that we flush this rotten, sick individual down the toilet, where the rest of the waste lies? One less David Cole in the world will certainly not end Jew-hatred, but it will have removed a dangerous parasitic, disease-ridden bacteria from infecting society.

    Just as we must get rid of this monster, Cole, we must also get rid of the word "revisionism" from our vocabulary. This awful word and Cole, too, must be eliminated altogether. There is no argument. There needs to be no more debates, only the elimination of the Holocaust deniers...

    JDL wants to know the location of Holocaust denier David Cole, pictured above. Anyone giving us his correct address will receive a monetary reward. Contact us through e-mail immediately if you have information leading to the current location of David Cole."

    Please do your own research.
  • Manwë Defendn... 2012/06/24 19:34:17
    Manwë
    I have, including talking to survivors.
  • Defendn... Manwë 2012/06/24 20:12:06
    DefendnProtect
    Do you know how many were allegedly gassed in Auschwitz?
  • Roger 2012/06/22 17:37:26
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    Roger
    +4
    Funny how democrats have to do this childish name calling to get into office
  • chgo Roger 2012/06/22 17:58:22
    chgo
    +3
    Excuse me, repuke. but are you actually gonna address the MAIN issue at hand or are just gonna keep dodging my legit questions with your stupid, childish crybaby claims?
  • Roger chgo 2012/06/22 18:05:35
    Roger
    +2
    Oh I am sorry I didn't address your pointless question. No I didn't. Now here is a question for you why do you have to go back 8 years why don't you ask something that would apply to today?
  • chgo Roger 2012/06/22 18:14:45 (edited)
    chgo
    +4
    Since you want to forget the things that caused the schit we are in now, have you taken a good at our current national debt per chance? Does that apply to today? It is CURRENTLY $16 trillion and and is CURRENTLY growing thanks in big part to what? that's right, you got it- republican policies war spending and tax cuts. that is why this is all relevant to today.
  • Roger chgo 2012/06/23 22:03:36
    Roger
    What caused what we are in now is obama we were not in this situation now! Have you been paying no attention to what is going on? Are you just listening to the media? THE REASON WE ARE IN 16 TRILLION DEBT IS BECUASE WE ARE SPENDING TO MUCH ON UNCONSTITUTIONAL FEDRAL DEPARTMENTS!!
  • chgo Roger 2012/06/25 00:01:37 (edited)
    chgo
    you are wrong when you claim Obama has been spending at a pace without precedent in recent history.

    Barack Obama has lowest spending record of any recent president
    accelerated pace precedent history barack obama lowest spending record president

    http://www.politifact.com/tru...
  • Roger chgo 2012/06/25 00:26:17
    Roger
    lol 11trillion to 16trillion in debt and you belive that lol
  • chgo Roger 2012/06/27 02:33:07
    chgo
    reading isn't one of your biggest strengths, is it?
  • Roger chgo 2012/06/28 00:12:31
    Roger
    I belive it was mark twain that said there are lies,damned lies, and then there are statistics
  • Cuppajo 2012/06/22 17:37:19
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    Cuppajo
    +5
    No dumber than democrats who still believe that Barack Obama is doing a good job (as they eat Ramen noodles for the 4th time this week).
  • AGPhillbin Cuppajo 2012/06/23 18:24:06
    AGPhillbin
    Claiming that you're no stupider than the "other" "party" does not exonerate you from the charge of criminal stupidity, even if your claim is perfectly true.
  • Cuppajo AGPhillbin 2012/06/25 05:06:18
    Cuppajo
    Claiming outrage when you didn't ask the question doesn't make you anything more than rude. Do you often insert yourself into conversations which do not include you?
  • Evil 1 2012/06/22 17:34:55
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    Evil 1
    +4
    Well if the Republicans are dumb there were many Democrats who were right there with them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    http://www.davidstuff.com/pol...

    http://www.snopes.com/politic...

    You should do research before asking biased questions that in all reality showcase your own dumbness.
  • chgo Evil 1 2012/06/22 17:49:15
    chgo
    +2
    how does Bill come into the picture when the war in Iraq was based on lies and propaganda perpetrated by the republicans in control (Dumsfeld, Gonzales. Bush, and Cheney)? Bill clinton was pushing for "diplomatic action", to the standoff with Iraq not full-blown war.

    "Clinton reiterated that he would prefer a "diplomatic solution" to the standoff with Iraq but added, "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Clinton met with Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, just back from a trip to Europe and several Arab countries to outline the U.S. position, and is to discuss Iraq with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who arrived in Washington yesterday."

    illiterate, learn how to read. and Clinton and the democrats in the 1990s were saying that Iraq was DEVELOPING, not possessing, WMDs. you must have bad reading comprehension. They had a development program for WMDs. Plus, they;ve never said Saddam had giant stacks of WMDs.

    Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney helped steer this country into another ill-conceived, protracted war with very calculated sensationalism and fear campaigning. Cheney with manipulating the evidence of Iraq's weapons program, deceiving the nation ...

    how does Bill come into the picture when the war in Iraq was based on lies and propaganda perpetrated by the republicans in control (Dumsfeld, Gonzales. Bush, and Cheney)? Bill clinton was pushing for "diplomatic action", to the standoff with Iraq not full-blown war.

    "Clinton reiterated that he would prefer a "diplomatic solution" to the standoff with Iraq but added, "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Clinton met with Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, just back from a trip to Europe and several Arab countries to outline the U.S. position, and is to discuss Iraq with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who arrived in Washington yesterday."

    illiterate, learn how to read. and Clinton and the democrats in the 1990s were saying that Iraq was DEVELOPING, not possessing, WMDs. you must have bad reading comprehension. They had a development program for WMDs. Plus, they;ve never said Saddam had giant stacks of WMDs.

    Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney helped steer this country into another ill-conceived, protracted war with very calculated sensationalism and fear campaigning. Cheney with manipulating the evidence of Iraq's weapons program, deceiving the nation about Iraq's connection to al-Qaeda, and threatening aggression against Iran in violation of the United Nations Charter. Colin Powell was getting his intelligence on NY times articles, not on Intel. They are the CIA!!! Congress was lied to. That's why the second bill to authorize Us intervention had had over 120 democrat votes against it. The Iraq war was perpetrated to increase BIg Businesses' access to Iraqi oil reserves. An imperialistic war should be reserved as a truly last resort.

    The cons fooled the whole country, including the democrats in Congress. And what did we get out of it: a $1.5 trillion bill and no proof to show Iraq was planning, not possessing, WMDs. They belong in federal person.
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  • Evil 1 chgo 2012/06/22 18:02:17 (edited)
    Evil 1
    +3
    Hey the proof is in front of your eyes if you took the time to read it. Everyone of those Democrats including Clinton stated there were WMD. So if you don't like the fact they said it write them. They made the statements and they are verifiable and proven valid. Your post places the blame soley on the Republicans and you are wrong. It was not just the Republicans stating there were WMD, it was also the Democrats. So as I stated if the Republicans were dumb then there were many Democrats right in there with them. And your post in its premise is at best naive if not dumb.
  • Quietma... Evil 1 2012/06/22 20:42:48
    Quietman   ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Democrat dealing with the TRUTH
    head exploding gif
  • AGPhillbin Quietma... 2012/06/23 18:28:04
    AGPhillbin
    +1
    On the other hand, Republicans deal with the truth by putting their fingers in their ears and singing, "Lalala! I can't hear you!"
  • AGPhillbin Evil 1 2012/06/23 18:26:49
    AGPhillbin
    +1
    Two wrongs don't make a right, any more that two "parties" make a democracy.
  • Evil 1 AGPhillbin 2012/06/23 18:28:18
    Evil 1
    +1
    You're absolutely right.
  • chgo Evil 1 2012/06/23 18:53:59
    chgo


    youre a dum**ss
  • Evil 1 chgo 2012/06/23 20:51:18 (edited)
    Evil 1
    +1
    No the dumbass would be you. Made very evident by your use of childish pictures as well as the race card that you resort to when you have been proven wrong and can't accept it like an adult. Thanks for proving this fact and showcasing your foolishness as well as your blatant childishness and ignorance. You truly are pathetic, I just hope your the end of your gene pool.
  • Rusty Bubbles 2012/06/22 17:21:48
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    Rusty Bubbles
    +4
    Nugget
    Read slowly here, I don't want you to miss the point....

    We know Iraq had WMD's ~~~ we have the receipts from the sale
  • Grabitz Rusty B... 2012/06/22 17:28:58
    Grabitz
    +2
    Lolz , good enough proof for me .
  • chgo Rusty B... 2012/06/22 23:09:12 (edited)
    chgo
    +3
    these receipts?:
    Koch Brothers has been conducting illegal business deals with Iran. A new investigation from Bloomberg Markets Magazine has been looking into the Koch Brothers and their joint-venture companies, which have been engaging in some shady deals, and dealing with Iran is just one of them.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news...

    So, we've had a trade embargo with Iran since 1995 and an American company (namely Koch Industries) was dealing with them anyway, isn't that treasonous?
  • Rusty B... chgo 2012/06/23 00:51:39
    Rusty Bubbles
    So the WMD's were in Bloomberg Markets Magazine?



    Try to stay on subject
  • chgo Rusty B... 2012/06/25 00:03:45
    chgo
    are you illiterate or something? that's not what is says.
  • Rusty B... chgo 2012/06/25 00:05:43
    Rusty Bubbles
    "... Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction when we invaded in 2003"

    Stay on subject, Spanky

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