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Are Republican Contempt Allegations Payback For Eric Holder's Defense of Voting Rights?

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Are Republican Contempt Allegations Payback For Eric Holder's Defense of Voting Rights?
By: Yellow Dog Yankee
June 12, 2012

You know that bridge that is always metaphorically for sale to anyone who exhibits unwarranted gullibility? It is time to dust it off and offer it to anyone who does not see a link between Eric Holder's aggressive persecution of voting abuses in Florida and what has happened to the Attorney General in the halls of Congress this week.

Since the elections in November 2011, over half of the states have enacted various laws covering elections including changes to the identification needed to vote, revamping of registration rules, and tightening of early voting times. There is evidence that many of these rules have been passed in an attempt to suppress voting by minorities and the young, groups that typically tend to vote for Democratic Party candidates.

Over the past few months the Justice Department has looked into these laws in several states and has weighed in on redistricting efforts in others. In December Holder said of the various voter-related laws, "If a state passes a new voting law and meets its burden of showing that the law is not discriminatory, we will follow the law and approve the change. And where a state can't meet this burden, we will object as part of our obligation under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act."

The issue has now come to a head in Florida which has enacted some of the most restrictive new laws and where Governor Rick Scott recently issued a list of over 200,000 voters, 87 percent of which are Black or Hispanic and has demanded that local voting officials require they provide proof of their right to vote. Sixty-two of these local officials have refused to cooperate and the Justice Department filed suit this evening over the issue. Scott has, in turn, said he will sue the Department of Homeland Security over access to a list which allegedly will allow Florida to improve the quality of its voter purge list.

Today the wrath of both the House and the Senate was unleashed against Holder on two issues completely unrelated to each other and ostensibly only tangentially related to voting rights in the U.S. In the House, one of its most reprehensible members, Darrell Issa, is threatening Holder with charges of contempt of Congress for what Issa claims is perjury on the part of Holder over the so-called "Fast and Furious" gun walking program which was designed (under Bush we might add) to track guns into Mexico. This issue is so convoluted I will not attempt to summarize it but will direct readers to this The Hills article, one of the most evenhanded discussions I have found. While Issa has been pursuing Holder over this issue for months, members of the party leadership have kept their distance until the last few days and then began to pile on. With Boehner now behind it, the contempt vote will probably pass.

At the same time, several leaks of National Security information have prompted Holder to order an investigation and appoint several Department of Justice attorneys to administer it. Today, in a Senate Hearing Texas Senator John Cronyn launched the most vicious attack I have ever heard on a sitting cabinet member, accusing him of, among other things, perjury. He finished by demanding that Holder resign and that the President appoint a replacement who was "honest" and capable of fulfilling the public trust. While Cronyn's diatribe was ostensibly triggered by Holder's refusal to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the leaks, he referenced, among other accusations, what he called Holders attempts to stop state efforts to eliminate voter fraud.

These actions by the Republican members of Congress, at least one of whom is in a leadership position, can be designed for no purpose other than to undermine the attorney general at a minimum and, at a maximum, stop his efforts to uphold voting rights.
If the Republicans are able to accomplish the latter, it will be virtually impossible for the Department of Justice working under an acting attorney general to stop what is going on in the states in time to ensure a legitimate election in November.

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  • lstl5 ProudPr... 2012/06/13 20:26:28
    lstl5
    +1
    Well, Rick Scott is ignoring them and they sent a letter the other day telling him to "please" stop. What the he//? They need to go get him and put him in handcuffs or send a drone, I really dont care. This is total nonsense.
  • Lady Wh... lstl5 2012/06/13 14:07:24
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    "Republicans are so corrupt that they need to all be thrown out of office.Democrats better get it together and go after these true offenders of the law..."

    SO well said!
  • lstl5 Lady Wh... 2012/06/13 15:16:38
    lstl5
    +3
    I am so tired of dems sitting back and being nice. They need to tear the repubs a new one.
  • fuzzy K... lstl5 2012/06/13 15:37:33
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +1
    Dems DO tear "repubs a new one". Whenever the 'repub' is a woman or a minority.
  • lstl5 fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 15:56:17
    lstl5
    +1
    Haha, and how many of them are there? Not many compared to dems.
  • fuzzy K... lstl5 2012/06/13 16:00:54
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +1
    Irrelevant.
    Why is the DNC much more vile and vicious when the GOP'er is a minority or a woman? This, despite the fact that Dems are usually the first to cry racism or sexism.
  • lstl5 fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 16:03:18
    lstl5
    +1
    Please give me an example because I havent seen it.
  • fuzzy K... lstl5 2012/06/13 18:11:33
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +1
    (On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
    "Herman Cain is an Uncle Tom." - Cornel West and Travis Smiley, CNN contributors
    About Palin, Bill Maher called her a c*nt and a "dumb tw@t"
    The list goes on and on.

    If a Republican had made those remarks he would be hung out to dry.

  • ProudPr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 19:38:36
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    Since when were Spike Lee, Cornel West or Tavis Smiley members of the Democratic National Committee.

    And when Republicans do make remarks a thousand times worse than these, like calling a private citizen concerned about women's health a "slut" or calling the President of the United States "Barack the Magic Negro", they are GLORIFIED by the Right Wing.
  • fuzzy K... ProudPr... 2012/06/13 19:58:23
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +1
    I may have misspoke when I posted DNC but there is no doubt which party all the offenders belong to.
    Bill Maher even set up a super PAC which gave Obama a million dollars.

    BTW: Rush Limbaugh is not running for any office. Is him calling Fluke a "slut" more offensive than Maher calling a governor and VP candidate a "c*nt" and a "tw@t"?

    Regrading "Barack the Magic Negro: - "Barack the Magic Negro"[2] is a song by American political satirist Paul Shanklin who wrote and recorded it for the Rush Limbaugh Show as satire after it was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic, David Ehrenstein, in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. It was played numerous times in 2007 and 2008 by Rush Limbaugh and appeared on the 2008 album We Hate the USA. It is sung by Shanklin to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon". Shanklin impersonates black activist Al Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical Negro (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee[3]), not a real black man from the "hood".

    Chip Saltsman, a candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, sent out CDs containing the song to 168 other RNC members as a Christmas gift, hoping to b...
    I may have misspoke when I posted DNC but there is no doubt which party all the offenders belong to.
    Bill Maher even set up a super PAC which gave Obama a million dollars.

    BTW: Rush Limbaugh is not running for any office. Is him calling Fluke a "slut" more offensive than Maher calling a governor and VP candidate a "c*nt" and a "tw@t"?

    Regrading "Barack the Magic Negro: - "Barack the Magic Negro"[2] is a song by American political satirist Paul Shanklin who wrote and recorded it for the Rush Limbaugh Show as satire after it was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic, David Ehrenstein, in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. It was played numerous times in 2007 and 2008 by Rush Limbaugh and appeared on the 2008 album We Hate the USA. It is sung by Shanklin to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon". Shanklin impersonates black activist Al Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical Negro (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee[3]), not a real black man from the "hood".

    Chip Saltsman, a candidate for chairman of the Republican National Committee, sent out CDs containing the song to 168 other RNC members as a Christmas gift, hoping to bolster his 2009 campaign for RNC chair. The move backfired, Saltsman dropped his bid to head the RNC, and ultimately African American Republican Michael Steele won the chairmanship.
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  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 20:17:13
    Live Free Or Die
    I found Rush very offensive, particularly when he said he wanted to see Sandra Flukes in a porno and called her a prostitute. But the point is, we don't glorify those kinds of comments the way the way the Right Wing does. Not one liberal on here has ever agreed with Bill Maher's comments. On the other hand, there have been scores and scores of conservatives on this site who agree with Limbaugh.

    As far as dear Sarah Palin though, she got everything coming to her that was said, not because I agree with it but because she was insulting to the President and said many disparaging things. What goes around comes back around.
  • fuzzy K... Live Fr... 2012/06/14 13:37:05
  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/14 14:59:39 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    Then you weren't on this site. The conservatives in large numbers not only excused Limbaugh's statements (and they went much farther than just calling her a slut)....but they loudly defended them and extended them to all women in the population who believe their health insurance should cover contraceptive services, so it was political bullying of real people's lives, whether they agree or disagree. That is wrong and not the same thing as just not marching out against Bill Maher, who by the way is not as public a figure or representative of the Democratic Party the way Limbaugh is of the GOP. In fact, I have never seen Maher's performances and don't care to. Nor were his comments extended to other women, not that it's right. Rush's were and the conservatives ate it up.

    More than that, Ms. Fluke is a private citizen, not a politician, like Sarah Palin, so should not in my estimation been treated that way, particularly since Ms. Fluke did not disparage anyone first either, like Sarah. Sarah was vulgar, referring to my President as palling around with terrorists and many more ugly comments, much of it untrue. She also preached abstinence and is against abortion. Well, not everyone agrees with her, so this is the fallout of that. This was also a public policy discussion, no...
    Then you weren't on this site. The conservatives in large numbers not only excused Limbaugh's statements (and they went much farther than just calling her a slut)....but they loudly defended them and extended them to all women in the population who believe their health insurance should cover contraceptive services, so it was political bullying of real people's lives, whether they agree or disagree. That is wrong and not the same thing as just not marching out against Bill Maher, who by the way is not as public a figure or representative of the Democratic Party the way Limbaugh is of the GOP. In fact, I have never seen Maher's performances and don't care to. Nor were his comments extended to other women, not that it's right. Rush's were and the conservatives ate it up.

    More than that, Ms. Fluke is a private citizen, not a politician, like Sarah Palin, so should not in my estimation been treated that way, particularly since Ms. Fluke did not disparage anyone first either, like Sarah. Sarah was vulgar, referring to my President as palling around with terrorists and many more ugly comments, much of it untrue. She also preached abstinence and is against abortion. Well, not everyone agrees with her, so this is the fallout of that. This was also a public policy discussion, not just a bantering of words back and forth. That being said, there were many liberals (just like we are now) saying Maher is inappropriate. Rush did not apologize for his stance, only for his comments. And his stance stinks to high heaven. The conservatives still agree with him. Maher is an ass and the President would do well to ask his PAC to give back the money. On the other hand, Ms. Palin was rancid and nasty towards him and Romney would have to do the same, suggest to his PAC to give back all funds from anyone who has disparaged women, including Rush I believe, and denounce any GOP politician who said bad things about women, like the one who said women should just use an aspirin between their legs, disgusting. Both sides have said bad things, but this was thread was not about people on either side, but specifically politicians who have been vulgar and inappropriate to the President and to the Democrats, like Allen West calling all Democrats Communists. No side is perfect, but your side is worse, far worse. Ms. Palin has a right to speak her mind and I have a right to think she is a nasty person. I don't agree with Maher's comments. You won't find too many liberals that do. But if you think so, that's your issue. It simply is not true. On the other hand, some of the GOP politicians have been ugly and inappropriate. Say it isn't true, but it is true....and it matters.
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  • fuzzy K... Live Fr... 2012/06/14 17:17:33
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Your context is slightly off.
    I, like many feel that contraception is a matter of personal responsibility and that there is no reason for me to pay for someone else's as well as my own.
    Contrary to the narrative of innocent victimhood that portrays Fluke as a wide-eyed 23-year-old girl caught without contraception on a college campus full of predatory men, Fluke herself is really a 30-year-old women‘s rights activist who not only didn’t get caught without contraception at Georgetown, but specifically knew the university didn’t cover it and chose to attend for precisely that reason. She decided to attend Georgetown with the express purpose of battling this policy.

    Regarding the aspirin line: Get your facts straight.
    The quote was made by Foster Friess, the main donor to the Super PAC backing Rick Santorum’s presidential bid. "On this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s so inexpensive. You know, back in my days, they used Bayer Aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly." Think about it. He was simply suggesting that women should just keep their legs shut. Nothing more.
  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/14 18:06:19
    Live Free Or Die
    Actually, no my context is not slightly off in terms of my observations about what conservatives on the whole have had to say about the contraception issue. This woman may have had ulterior motives or goals and while she isn't a politician, she was a representative of state interest nonetheless against an all male Republican panel who did not include women or democrats. That's not a fair fight in my view.

    My own personal view of the issue is that health insurance should cover it, including natural methods for patients. The states already cover it and now this would include private insurance, which is not you paying for anything with your tax dollars in that regard, a point totally missed by the GOP and conservatives. It's dismissive, and again, an unfair fight. Your opinion largely echos the same.

    Mr. Friess suggesting that women should "just keep their legs shut" in relation to whether or not insurance should cover the cost is sexist. I could explain, but don't think you'd understand. At any rate, it's not a viable alternative for most couples.
  • fuzzy K... Live Fr... 2012/06/14 19:13:42
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Again, you are misinformed. Ms Fluke testified the invite of Democrats. Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) blocked her testimony saying she was not “appropriate and qualified” to testify before his committee.
    The Dems later held their own hearing with Ms. Fluke but no Republicans.
    (Please do a little research before you post. This is not the first time I have pointed out your laziness)

    My insurance does not cover contraceptives nor does it cover erectile dysfunction. People's sex lives are nobody's business bu their own and so is the responsibility. It doesn't matter whether I'm paying for it through my taxes or my premium.
  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/14 20:15:14 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    I am not misinformed, as I do know that the Democrats had their own hearing. What I mean by against their panel is that she was in opposition to it. I do not recall Republicans inviting any Democrats or women representatives to the all male panel. Considering it's an issue that affects women, that's pretty unfair to base policy affecting women without women's input. If anyone is unqualified, it was them.

    Contraception is preventative medical care and very necessary in some situations, and also used for treatment of certain health conditions. Whether you want to pay for it in your premium is still not the same thing as it being a public taxation. More insurance companies do cover it because it is comprehensive and costs less in the long run and has better outcomes in reducing dangerous and/or unwanted pregnancies. Family planning is a part of a woman's medical care since pregnancy is a medical condition, whether you acknowledge that or not. People's sex lives are private matters. Like any health issue or lifestyle choice one makes, it is between the patient and doctor and not your business. No one is trying to make it so.

    I don't appreciate you calling me misinformed and lazy. There is no point in continuing this discussion if you cannot refrain from making personal remarks. I have respected you and expect the same in return.
  • fuzzy K... Live Fr... 2012/06/14 22:03:48
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    in this thread and in the past I have corrected you numerous times.
    You do not bother to do any research before you post or to dispute me.
    YOU ARE LAZY!!!
    (Typical)
  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/14 22:28:14
    Live Free Or Die
    For the purposes of this thread, you did not "correct" me and if I had been corrected, I would have admitted to it, now or in the past. I did clarify though, politely. I have knowledge on all of the topics of which we have spoken so far and have researched those topics. That I didn't quote verbatim or use links is not necessary, nor should be unless there is something directly in dispute here. There is not.

    But, since you cannot hold a conversation without resorting to unsubstantiated attacks and personal remarks, we're done here.
  • fuzzy K... Live Fr... 2012/06/15 12:53:35
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Do I need to list all the times in this thread that you totally misquoted people or had the facts totally wrong? Scroll around and you will see. (If that's not too much effort)

    Don't worry. You're in good company. I have run into many liberals who also have no desire to do a little research before they post or after they are corrected.
  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/15 14:22:31
    Live Free Or Die
    I have once said I do not wish to speak to you if you cannot have a conversation without resorting to unsubstantiated attacks and personal remarks. Yet, you continue anyway.

    Once more, respect my boundaries or get blocked. It's your choice.
  • fuzzy K... Live Fr... 2012/06/14 17:30:58
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Regarding Allen West; his quote was ""there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party who are members of the Communist Party," referring to their membership in the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
    "Specific 'party' affiliation is not the point of the discussion -- it is rather affiliation with a set of ideals," West writes. "Conservatives adhere to the ideals of individual responsibility and freedom, limited government, a free market and a strong defense. Those on the liberal left adhere to a collective ideal, directed and controlled by a centralized government to guarantee and enforce social and economic justice."

    West continues: "You can call this what you wish. The esteemed scholar and author Mark Levin calls it 'statism.' In our lifetime, the unpalatable and pejorative brands 'socialist' and 'communist' have been replaced with the more user-friendly 'progressive' term." http://thehill.com/opinion/op...

    Regarding Palin's comments about Obama "palling around with terrorists": How would you label Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn?

    You seem to be getting your info second-hand and mis-quoted. You might try a little research before you post.
  • Live Fr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/14 18:14:40
    Live Free Or Die
    Well, 78 to 81 members is an awful lot of congress men and women....

    What you are talking about are extremes on either end of the political spectrum, and this is not what defines most progressives or liberals. Maybe Allen West thinks so, but he's wrong.

    When did Obama hang out with Bernadine Dohrn? I must have missed that one. I do know that Bill Ayers was involved with many political issues and politicians, not just the President. Were they all "palling around with terrorists" too, because that is inciteful, whether you think so or not.

    I get my news from all over and though I'm speaking generally and not specifically, I'm pretty well informed, thanks. You might want to try a little humility before you post.
  • lstl5 fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 20:31:39
    lstl5
    +1
    An actor, a cnn contributor, and a comedian said these things. Oh, well, get over it. I think West is an uncle tom too. As far as Palin goes, I dont like that kind of talk. It was totally uncalled for. I am talking about actual representatives of the congress and senate who have said horrible things about the president and one even calling him a liar while giving a speech. I havent heard any dems doing that to republicans.
  • Live Fr... lstl5 2012/06/13 20:36:51
    Live Free Or Die
    You're right, but he used those people to take the heat off the GOP who have been absolutely disrespectful and slanderous. I don't agree with those kinds of comments about Sarah Palin either, but I do think it's disingenuous to complain about insults made to her without also considering what she has said about the President and Democrats in general.
  • lstl5 Live Fr... 2012/06/13 21:13:36
    lstl5
    +1
    I dont like her at all, but they just shouldnt go there. They could have said her intelligence of that of a turd or something that, lol The democrats barely said anything about being called communists. They should be calling for these representatives heads. It should be considered a offense equal to being suspended. The disrespect for this president is beyond the pale. I am so disgusted with all of them.
  • Live Fr... lstl5 2012/06/13 22:09:13
    Live Free Or Die
    I agree, they shouldn't go there and should have found another way to get the point across, like turd or something. On the rest I also agree. It seems the Democrats are not capable of standing up, but I think that even if they did it would not be aired on television in the mass media. The way they have disparaged the President is disgraceful and I am disgusted as well.
  • lstl5 Live Fr... 2012/06/14 12:45:34
    lstl5
    +1
    The republicans are so envious of this president, and it is so obvious. They have done everything they can to disparage and demean him, but I think they have disgusted even moderate republicans, so they may lose just because they are showing all of us that they are willing to hurt the country just to get him out.
  • Live Fr... lstl5 2012/06/14 13:57:29
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    I agree with you. It is time to show them that they can't do this to the country, that we won't tolerate it and vote them out.
  • lstl5 Live Fr... 2012/06/14 15:50:27
    lstl5
    +1
    Agreed!!
  • Live Fr... lstl5 2012/06/14 18:15:47
  • fuzzy K... lstl5 2012/06/14 14:01:34
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Actually, Maher's comments didn't get that much attention when he said them. It wasn't until all the liberals clutched their chests and screamed their outrage over Limbaugh's "slut" comment that Maher's comments were brought up.
    West is an Uncle Tom? Please elaborate.
    Wilson's "You lie" outburst was immediately condemned by BOTH sides and Wilson personally called the Obama to apologize.
    You haven't heard any Dems doing that? Were you out of the country in 2005 when Democrats boo'ed Bush during his Sate of the Union Address? Not just one lone congressman, but a whole lot of Dems. I don't recall them ever apologizing.

    When it comes to immature and just plain bad behavior Dems outdo Repubs LIBERALLY.
  • lstl5 fuzzy K... 2012/06/14 15:59:56
    lstl5
    +1
    Yes, you are right about Maher. He is on HBO and isnt there because he is sponsored by products the american people buy. I dont have HBO and probably wouldnt watch him if I did. I hope you are not saying Limbaugh should be applauded. He is a dirt bag and his comments showed his ignorance because he obviously thought a woman has to take a pill everytime she has sex, not to mention the fact that the woman wasnt even talking about sex. West is an Uncle Tom because he consistently goes after the black caucus and talks about dems coming off the plantation. He sucks up to the white republicans. Booing and screaming out to the president that he is a liar is rwo very different things. Obama has been booed by republicans also. I am very disappointed in dems because they show weakness when they dont speak out about the wrongs done to this president.
  • Live Fr... lstl5 2012/06/14 18:16:39
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    You are so right. I couldn't have said it better.
  • ProudPr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 19:37:02
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    They aren't.
  • ProudPr... fuzzy K... 2012/06/13 19:36:39
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    I think you're thinking of the Republicans. They're the ones who have been fighting a war on women's rights all these years.
  • fuzzy K... ProudPr... 2012/06/13 20:05:06
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Yeah. It's Republicans who are calling women c*nts and tw@ts.

    The battle against abortion is not about women's rights. It's about human life.

    If the Dems are so pro-women then why are women in the White House paid less than men? http://townhall.com/tipsheet/...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...
  • Live Fr... ProudPr... 2012/06/13 20:20:08
    Live Free Or Die
    Thank you, the Republicans have had a war against women for years.
  • Lady Wh... lstl5 2012/06/13 22:34:04
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    Maybe in November!!
  • DS in Oak Ridge NC 2012/06/13 12:01:33
    Undecided
    DS in Oak Ridge NC
    +6
    Despite the high office Holder holds, he's guilty of crimes of omission and commission. From letting NBP and Guns walk... to suing states for following constitutionally valid laws. He's obstructing Justice on days that end in the letter "y".

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