The so-called "Public Option" is not technically the same thing as government-run health care; but it is absolutely the tool by which Progressive Democrats in Congress hope to institute government-run health care. Make no mistake about that.
The idea is to create a government health insurance exchange that will eventually supplant private insurance companies who can't compete against the government plan.
Obama admitted that his ultimate vision was a health care system completely run by the government in a speech to the AFLCIO back in 2003 and elsewhere. Barney Frank and others have also admitted it:
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ARE PUBLIC OPTION AND CO-OP CLEVERLY DISGUISED TERMS FOR GOV RUN HEALTH CARE AND YIELD THE SAME RESULTS?
eve August 19, 2009 17:22:18
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I think that it opens the door for more abuse it the system, ever see how much money people in non profits get paid...ENORMOUSE AMOUNTS of money. Thier job is to SPEND all the money so it looks like they are not making anything and are still in DEBT......We already have too much debt....they will keep asking for more money and taxes will go up and so will healthcare...this sounds so WRONG to me....
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Public Option would be administered by the government, if not immediately, definitely eventually.
Co-op, on the other hand, is owned and operated by the members thereof. IF it IS actually a co-op. Of course, I don't think the government in general or Obama in particular would ever "give" a co-op to us. I'd have to do some more research and deliberation into the matter to say for sure, but I doubt any "government issue" co-op would be anything but a purely Orwellian concept.
The question that comes to my mind is, can we, the people, come up with a better idea?
I think so. I don't know what it is, but I guarantee it's nothing that has been assigned or offered to us yet.
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aren't you a classy lady? blocking is pointless and your insult is too.
why don't you learn what you are talking about before you start posting and broadcasting your ignorance all over the web.
gov. run healthcare has never been the issue. they are simply working on providing access to existing private care for uninsured people.
baby, if you've got balls adn can "take it", unblock me and then we'll talk. right now, you're the one with your fingers in your ears.
well now that you edited your answer to add proganda set up by the left wing obama ass kissing media instead of just insulting others u have shown yourself to be the classic obama sheeple.
"they are simply working on providing access to existing private care for uninsured people." u said
so how are they working on providing access to existing private care for insured ppl?
n pls show me some proof of what u r saying...where in the health care bill would support what u r saying?
LOL yes u r one of the seriously brainwashed ones, another good reason to block ya....or we would be wasting time just going back n forth on progandas created by left wing obama ass kissing media.
n pls dont quote the left wing media or the lying osama n his cohort
lawlz.
The public option would be designed with legislative advantages over the private insurance companies. The object would be for the public option to wipe out the insurance companies and become a single payer system.
The post office has legislative advantages. UPS by law must charge a higher price than the post office and they can’t use mail boxes Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac had legislative advantages
Congress can provide any advantages they want for the government option. Naturally, if the government option had to play by the same rules as private insurance companies, the government option wouldn’t have a prayer.
Bottom line Obamacare is about communizing the health care system.
if it is fallacy, how so? are you suggesting that all hospitals are going to be taken over by the government?
you're missing the point. if there is anything underhanded about this legislation it is this: insurance is one of the biggest rackets out there and now the gov. wants a piece of the action. private insurance has proven you can make a tidy profit off of people who have no hope of being able to afford health care in this country and are afraid of getting seriously ill. they'll pay in their whole lives to avoid the threat of huge bills (which they'll still get because they hurt the bottom line)
why not let the gov. get in on the action? they sure as hell need the money and maybe some people can benefit from it as well.
that's perspective.
Everybody should read the bill. It is not about health. It is not about care. It gives "The Commissioner" of healthcare real time access to the bank account of EVERY citizen. The bill gives the Commissioner access to your IRS records. It gives the Commissioner real time authority to audit every company with a payroll over $250,000. What does access to my bank account have to do with health care.
The Commissioner will decide who is eligible for what treatment. The Commissioner will decide what medical procedures are covered and which ones are not. Over 59 years old and need a hip replacement? Forget it. That device will be given to a younger person with a longer life expectancy.
READ THE BILL. Become informed before congress rams this down our throat.
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Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM
So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclea...
Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM
So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power plants.
* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
* GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
=============================...
WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
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VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.
Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
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DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
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TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world’s largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
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NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*
why is it that when it comes to politics everyone KNOWS that they have the right answers......people are not nearly as arrogant about other subjects and assume that they are the most informed person in the world
I think this is a 2 part problem......
1)In a capital system in order to have news.....it must make money.....and news agencies lower to entertainment rather than news to make money
like MSNBC and Fox......it is all commentary and people think it is actual reporting
2) public or socialized news outlets gets manipulated by whom ever is in charge at the current time
anytime you choose to report topic A over topic B there is some bias involved.
So do we surrender to polar opposite news that is mainly entertainment and just recognize our biases......or is there another option?
glad to see, someone finally understands the media industry :)
I wish everyone thought like you partner
If you want to say that he got the black vote out....he did...and he won more because of it.....but Acorn.....they are no more influential than any other "Rock the Vote" organization....Not buying
Turner....GE....Disney.....they all form PAC's and give money on both sides so it doesn't matter who wins, they have represntation
The media mirrors what the public wants to see.....no station is going to turn thier back on ratings....
some try to play both sides of the fence like CNN and ABC and some try to benefit from the nich audiences like FOX and MSNBC
Nobody is sabotaged from the media.....If there is a way to get ratings they will....If the public wants it they will get it
again I agree with the financing...I wish he would have kept his promise there....
The stimulus....45% was tax cuts....so about being spent.....page 5 was is the spending guidelines on the actual bill http://frwebgate.access.gpo.g...
(It follows the guidelines so I don't understand the complaint)
As far as the Afghanistan War goes......The Conservatives would call him a quitter if he withdrew and now they say it is pointless.....I have heard good arguments for both sides.... There is no pretty way to resolve that conflict....you could be right....but it is not definitive
The benefits of a war time economy are government spending.....that could be reached without a war...that is what a wartime economy is all about......blowing stuff up and buying new stuff....
I defiantly agree with some of the things you say......I just dont think it as black and white as the politicians say
I couldnt agree more brother......it bothers me too.....I don't know the right answer.....but it bothers me
As far as the taxes being taken back....most are....haha
I am of the opinion....and this is mine.......Capitalism feeds off of having the largest possible talent pool....there is no economy in the history of the world that sustained the differential gap of wealth that we have..
Again not black and white.....but socialism and ubrideld capitalism end with the same result... corruption and failure.....there has to be a balance to draw off the largest talent pool while rewarding success.. it seems like every time we try to balance this...one side yells bloody murder
I just hope that equilibrium can be found