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Are Obama And Romney The Same Guy?

*Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T 2012/07/05 17:20:26
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Barack Obama and Mitt Romney just may be the same person. Think about it. Have you ever seen the two of them in the same limo?

All right. Of course, the pair of politicians who will in all likelihood be the major party nominees for the 2012 presidential election have their differences. Republican Romney, for instance, has been a governor and chairman of the Olympics; Democrat Obama has not. Obama, on the other hand, has been a senator and a president. Romney has not.

The two men do have different skin colors and they were raised with different religious beliefs. But we are here to explore their likenesses. Of which there are so many — major and minor — that political wags have referred to the two with mashed-up monikers, such as Barack Oromney, Baromney Obamitt and just plain Obomney.

President Obama, speaking at the recent White House Correspondents Association dinner in Washington, joked about his similarities with Romney: "He and I actually have a lot in common," Obama said. "We both think of our wives as our better halves. And polls show, to a alarmingly insulting extent, the American people agree."

Other people have noticed parallelisms between the pols. From the left, billionaire political activist George Soros told Reuters in January, "Between Romney and Obama, there isn't all that much difference."

From the right, Newt Gingrich agreed with Soros — which does not happen often. Gingrich, putting himself forward as different from Romney, told ABC News in January that Obama and Romney are "the same people." There are "a lot of parallels between these two guys," Gingrich added, pointing out that they both receive massive funding from Wall Street investors and share similar views on health care issues.

Both Obama and Romney "are very successful guys who kind of figured it out," says Mac McCorkle, who teaches the politics of public policy at Duke University. "They both have faced major challenges and they both have met those challenges."

And both Obama and Romney come across as cool and somewhat aloof. Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, says, "I've joked that we may finally have found a political solution to global warming. Let these two campaign incessantly for six months and we'll lower the temperature by a few degrees."

Tale Of The Tape

Arguably, Obama and Romney see the world pretty much the same way — in very many ways. They have at least a dozen data points in common:

1) Neither man served in the armed forces. This would be the first election without a veteran representing a major party in the race since 1944.

2) Both Obama and Romney hail from far-flung family histories. Obama's father was born in Kenya; his mother in Kansas. Romney's father was born in Mexico; his mother in Utah.

3) Both men operate from out-of-the-norm religious backgrounds. Obama, the Christian son of a Muslim father, says that his faith guides his decision-making; Romney is the Mormon son of a Mormon father. Both religious upbringings can elicit prejudice.

4) Both men earned degrees at Harvard University. Romney spent four years among the ivied towers, graduating in 1975 with a joint degree in law and business. Obama spent three years in Cambridge, graduating from Harvard Law School in 1991.

5) Both men worked in the financial sector. In 1983, Obama took a job at Business International Corp., a New York-based multinational business counseling firm, as a researcher in the financial services division. "He wasn't there long — only about a year," NPR's Scott Horsley reported in 2008. "But the job at Business International Corp. provided a crash course in market economics." Both politicians have been heavily funded by Goldman Sachs, Bloomberg reports.

Romney migrated from the banks of the Charles River to the banking world of Bain Capital, a private equity firm. "What Bain Capital did — and was among the first, if not the first, to do it — was to look at the operations before buying the company, as well as after," Romney told NPR's Ari Shapiro in 2011, "and try to figure out, how can we make it better and then help the management team to improve the company."

6) Both served, for a time, as advisers to their communities: Obama as a community organizer in Chicago; Romney as a bishop — a spiritual lay leader — in the Boston area.

7) Each man lost his first federal election. Romney lost to incumbent Ted Kennedy in a 1994 Massachusetts senatorial contest; Obama lost to incumbent Bobby Rush in a 2000 Illinois House of Representatives election.

8) Both men have championed comprehensive health care initiatives. Romney, when he was governor of Massachusetts and Obama as president. "Romneycare and Obamacare are essentially the same," Gingrich told ABC News.

9) Both Obama and Romney stay fit, dress sharply and look vaguely out of sync when wearing blue jeans.

10) Both occasionally laugh uncomfortably at their own humor.

11) Both have been known to lapse into song during public speaking.

12) Both are political pragmatists. "This presidential election tells us something unexpected about American politics," writes presidential historian Julian Zelizer on CNN.com. "For all the talk about polarization and discord in Washington, it appears that both parties will have pragmatic problem-solvers at the top of their tickets."

The Party Trumps All

Watching the 2012 slates materialize — bringing together two similar political figures — reminds Sabato of certain similarities between the candidates in the election of 2000. George W. Bush and Al Gore "were crown princes who had gotten as far as they did because of their fathers' successes," Sabato says. "So the parallels between Obama and Romney aren't that unusual in American politics." (Which may raise another question about the type of person who runs — and whom we nominate — for president.)

But what is different this time, Sabato says, is the political climate and the potently partisan atmosphere. The major distinction between Obama and Romney is where their support comes from — their parties.

"What they don't share politically — their party — trumps all similarities," Sabato says. "We live in a highly polarized era, and in the modern age at least, Democrats and Republicans have never had less in common on politics and policy."

The fact that Obama and Romney, left to their own devices, might well meet in the middle and find common ground, Sabato says, "is literally irrelevant. Their party bases will not permit them to do so, and their own partisan activists will go after them hard if they try to compromise too much. Or maybe at all."


On Monday's Morning Edition, NPR will air the first in its series, "Parallel Lives," comparing President Obama and Mitt Romney.

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/17/150795727/are-obama-and-romney-...


To help you get ready for next week's arguments on the health care law before the U.S. Supreme Court, we will be publishing some helpful guides and summaries. For our first installment, we're re-publishing our fiendishly difficult quiz to see if you know the difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare.

Mitt Romney has gone to great lengths to distance his Massachusetts health plan from the federal law, even giving a PowerPoint presentation to emphasize the differences. But the truth is that there are an awful lot ofsimilarities between the plan he signed in Massachusetts in 2006, often called "RomneyCare," and the one that President Barack Obama signed in 2010, dubbed "ObamaCare."

Both leave in place the major insurance systems: employer-provided insurance, Medicare for seniors and Medicaid for the poor. They seek to reduce the number of uninsured by expanding Medicaid and by offering tax breaks to help moderate income people buy insurance. People are required to buy insurance or pay a penalty, a mechanism called the "individual mandate." And companies that don't offer insurance have to pay fines, with exceptions for small business and a few other cases.

Take the quiz

Are you smart enough to tell the difference between ObamaCare and RomneyCare? Here are 10 descriptions of the plans that we got from the legislation that created the two plans, official summaries, private reports and interviews with experts. See if you know whether each description is for ObamaCare or RomneyCare.

1. "Individuals who are deemed able to afford health insurance but fail to comply are subject to penalties for each month of non-compliance in the tax year ... . The penalties, which will be imposed through the individual’s personal income tax return, shall not exceed 50% of the minimum monthly insurance premium."

2. Employers "who employ 11 or more full-time equivalent employees" and do not make a "fair and reasonable contribution" to their employees' health insurance are required to pay a fine.

3. "Tax credits to make it easier for the middle class to afford insurance will become available for people with income between 100 percent and 400 percent of the poverty line who are not eligible for other affordable coverage."

4. Children and adolescents up to age 18 "whose financial eligibility as determined by the division exceeds 133 per cent but is not more than 300 per cent of the federal poverty level" will be eligible for Medicaid.

5. "Americans who earn less than 133 percent of the poverty level (approximately $14,000 for an individual and $29,000 for a family of four) will be eligible to enroll in Medicaid."

6. A recent poll asked people whether they had a generally favorable or unfavorable view of the health plan. Responses split 41 percent and 41 percent between favoring and not favoring. Another 18 percent said they were undecided.

7. Small businesses qualify for tax credits if they pay for at least half of the workers' health insurance. A small business is defined as having fewer than 25 full-time workers paid average annual wages below $50,000.

8. Experience shows the plan is not significantly going to lower costs. Supporters of the law are actively considering new legislation aimed at cost containment.

9. The plan creates a Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute "to conduct research to provide information about the best available evidence to help patients and their health care providers make more informed decisions."

10. For individuals who make more than $200,000 or couples that make more than $250,000, the plan increases Medicare taxes on wages in 2013 by 0.9 percent and imposes a 3.8 percent tax on investment income.

So how many did you get right? (Answers below)

All 10: You're CBO Gold! You qualify to be an analyst at the Congressional Budget Office!

8-9: Lobbyist Silver! You're good enough to be a health care lobbyist! Watch out, Billy Tauzin!

6-7: Bronze Policy Wonk Circle! You can be a researcher at the Kaiser Family Foundation -- or Ezra Klein!

5-6: Talking Head Honorable Mention. You're good enough for shouting matches on cable news channels!

3-4: Pollster's "don't knows." It's hard to have an opinion when you don't know what's in the plan!

0-2: Chain E-Mail Level. You forward chain e-mails that say the federal health care law puts a tax on real estate. (Pants on Fire, by the way.)


ANSWERS:

1. RomneyCare

Source: Massachusetts Department of Revenue, TIR 09-25: Individual Mandate Penalties for Tax Year 2010
Note: Both plans have individual mandates. The federal penalties start small, but eventually ramp up to $695 per year or 2.5 percent of income, whichever is higher. Eventually, federal penalties will tend to be higher than the Massachusetts plan.

2. RomneyCare

Source: Massachusetts Department of Revenue, Health Care Information for Employers
Note: Federal law exempts employers with fewer than 50 workers. Additionally, under the federal plan, employers pay fines only if their workers qualify for tax credits to buy insurance.

3. ObamaCare

Source: HealthCare.gov, Provisions of the Affordable Care Act, By Year
Note: The Massachusetts law also provides subsidized health insurance, but the income cut-off is 300 percent of the federal poverty level.

4. RomneyCare

Source: Massachusetts health care law
Note: The Massachusetts law expanded Medicaid for children. The federal law expands Medicaid to adults, but sets the cut-off at 133 percent of the federal poverty level.

5. ObamaCare

Source: HealthCare.gov, Provisions of the Affordable Care Act, By Year
Note: The Massachusetts law expanded Medicaid for children. The federal law expands Medicaid to adults, but sets the cut-off at 133 percent of the federal poverty level.

6. ObamaCare

Source: The Kaiser Family Foundation, Kaiser Health Tracking Poll, April 2011
Note: Polls show the federal law has split public opinion. Polls in Massachusetts show the program is significantly more popular.

7. ObamaCare

Source: Internal Revenue Service, Small Business Health Care Tax Credit for Small Employers
Note: Tax credits start at 35 percent of the employer's health premium costs and increase to 50 percent in 2014.

8. RomneyCare

Source: Gov. Deval Patrick, Patrick-Murphy administration proposes comprehensive health care cost containment legislation, Feb. 17, 2011; AP, Lawmakers hear bill to rein in Mass. health costs, May 16, 2011

9. ObamaCare

Source: U.S. Government Accountability Office, Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI) Governing Board; Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI), About Us

10. ObamaCare

Source: Kaiser Family Foundation, summary of new health reform law


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/20/r...

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  • Philo-Publius 2012/07/05 17:38:12
    No
    Philo-Publius
    +4
    They're identical personages in every last respect except for their singing. Obamney has WAY more soul than Rombama:

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  • LibertyCaroline 2012/07/06 03:14:13
    Yes
    LibertyCaroline
    +1
    Ron Paul 2012, restore America now
  • Wyzard 2012/07/06 00:44:31
    No
    Wyzard
    Obama is a disgrace to the human race!
  • Arel 2012/07/05 22:39:28
    No
    Arel
    +1
    and neither should be elected or re elected. They are both bad for America. When will Americans stop letting the establishment tell us who we are going to vote for. You can't tell me out of 300 million peeps these are the best we have.
  • kevracer 2012/07/05 20:32:34
    Yes
    kevracer
    +2
    two sides of the same coin
  • Zippcodey 2012/07/05 20:07:54 (edited)
    Yes
    Zippcodey
    +3
    They will take people down two different roads to end up at the same place. I believe these guys are trained to get certain things accomplished to bring this country over to Socialism, U.N. authority, a North American Union and then over to a One World Order. They have to make as many poor as they can, say good-bye to the middle class.
  • Striker 2012/07/05 19:35:02
    No
    Striker
    +1
    In the absence of BC's it's not possible to know, but I figure half-brothers.
  • rspell 2012/07/05 19:18:13
    Yes
    rspell
    +3
    Of course they are. Two sides to the same coin. Equally acceptable to the system which has endorsed them both. No matter which on wins, the program will go on exactly as planned.
  • Tony 2012/07/05 19:17:19
    Yes
    Tony
    +2
    Flip sides of the same corrupt coin.
  • krayzrick 2012/07/05 19:16:23
    No
    krayzrick
    One is an American...
  • jgh57 2012/07/05 18:19:10
    No
    jgh57
    No Obama has integrity.
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/07/05 18:14:37
    No
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    A well defined history over a history of composites.

    A history of friends, family and acquaintances to comfirm or deny, over a clouded history and few family members, and no friends or acquaintances to confirm or deny any aspect of a history.

    A well known father and anticedents to be researched, over a history bathed in fog and mist.

    Not the same man.
  • Vision of Verve 2012/07/05 18:04:23
  • *Mahoga... Vision ... 2012/07/05 18:06:39
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    It's not about perfection and ideology wise they are pretty close. If you look at their records and Romney's statement it's easy to spot. In addition, stating the truth about Romney doesn't mean one if for Obama. In addition, picking the lesser evil repeatedly leads one to the same destination.
  • krayzrick *Mahoga... 2012/07/05 19:18:24
    krayzrick
    Record? Obama has no record. He is a failure, even as a 'community organizer'...
  • *Mahoga... krayzrick 2012/07/05 19:19:49
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    He still had a record for people to examine; you know it as well as I do.
  • Max7 2012/07/05 18:03:22
    No
    Max7
    +1
    They are like night and day, half of the time Romney is not aware of who he is, or what he has said.
  • *Mahoga... Max7 2012/07/05 18:12:06
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    Obama and Romney have agreed on a lot.
  • Max7 *Mahoga... 2012/07/06 04:43:46
    Max7
    If they are alike, or the same as the post ask, then fat meat ain't greasy! Like I said, they are like night and day!
  • ☆ElenaDiamond☆ 2012/07/05 17:58:57
    No
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    +2
    They are very different. Barack Obama supports abortion. Mitt Romney does not. Barack Obama believes in government interference in middle eastern politics. Mitt Romney does not. Obama has a much different viewpoint on illegal immigration than Mitt Romney.

    Mitt Romney believes in capitalism. Obama does not.

    Incidentally, not to Nit Pick, but senatorial elections are not "Federal" elections. They are state elections.
  • *Mahoga... ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 18:11:01
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    +1
    "Barack Obama supports abortion. Mitt Romney does not."

    Only in the last couple of years he states he doesn't; let's see what he will do once elected if he wins.

    "Obama believes in government interference in middle eastern politics."

    Yes Romney does, and he wants to hit certain countries in the Middle East even harder like Iran for example.

    "Obama has a much different viewpoint on illegal immigration than Mitt Romney."

    Only in the last couple of years he has stated to be a strong advocate of strong immigration laws against illegals.

    "Senatorial elections are not "Federal" elections. They are state elections."

    Yes and I know this; these are the issues they have agreed with ideology wise, only time will tell if Romney is sincere about his sudden switch.
  • ☆ElenaD... *Mahoga... 2012/07/05 18:35:04
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    No, I mean you said they both lost federal elections. LOL. They lost state elections

    I believe that Romney is very pro-life. He only changed his position because Mass is chock full of liberals and in order to bring some new blood in, he had to soft pedal his stance on abortion. Does that make it right? No. But he is not the first nor will he be the last to do so. Everything prior to that change and since that change leads me to believe he is staunchly pro-life.

    Iran is a threat. Libya was not. Egypt was not. President Obama bombed a U.S. Citizen on U.S. soil with a drone without a fair trial. To date Romney has not. Nor has he participted in the assassination of heads of state. Obama has. Momar Ghaddafi was a head of state. We had NO right to interfere in their system of government.

    Yes, in the last couple of years Romney has realized what a threat the current slack immigration policy is like. I do not blame Obama entirely, the weak immigration policy goes back decades, but needs to be addressed.
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 20:16:23
    Tinka123
    +1
    The Senate elections are held at the state level, but those are federal seats and governed by Federal elections laws.
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/05 21:14:03
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    Yes, but only states can vote for them and only states can recall them.
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 21:18:25
    Tinka123
    +1
    They're still federal elections as they're governed by Federal Elections laws and they're federal seats. So there's nothing to nit-pick she was correct.
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/05 21:24:46
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    ok. No need to get stressed. I can admit a mistake. Chill.
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 21:29:15
    Tinka123
    +1
    No stress on my part - just keeping it real.
  • *Mahoga... ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 20:22:04 (edited)
    *Mahogany Goddess of P.H.A.E.T
    "No, I mean you said they both lost federal elections. LOL. They lost state elections"

    At first I thought you were talking about something else in my last comment; the term in the article of NPR is accurate.

    "Each man lost his first federal election. Romney lost to incumbent Ted Kennedy in a 1994 Massachusetts senatorial contest; Obama lost to incumbent Bobby Rush in a 2000 Illinois House of Representatives election."

    Romney race against Kennedy was a Senate race, but a Federal Election (Bound by Federal election laws); a U.S Senate seat is Federal.

    As for the rest we will just have to agree to disagree.
  • ☆ElenaD... *Mahoga... 2012/07/05 21:14:31
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 20:23:25 (edited)
    Tinka123
    +1
    Mitt Romney believes in Capitalism? Sure about that? Where do bailouts fit into the Capitalist model? They don't. Where does economic Stimulus (quantitative easing) fit into the Capitalist model? It's doesn't. Where do Govt. sponsored Enterprises fit into the Capitalist model? They don't.

    Mitt Romney holds the very same Keynesian positions as Obama. The only difference is he wants the money redistributed amongst big business whereas Obama wants it redistributed amongst his Union buddies. **(Both are corporate COLLECTIVES, btw.)**

    But they both work for the banks and this is clear to anyone who has looked beyond the surface at their backers.
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/05 21:15:22
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    Let me guess..... A Ron Paul supporter?
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 21:19:16
    Tinka123
    +1
    Let me guess... you think who I support is going to "change" who Mitt Romney is?
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/05 21:25:16
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    I knew it!! I can always tell. :-)
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 21:31:10
    Tinka123
    +1
    Everyone should know I'm a RP support by now, I scarcely hide it. lol That still doesn't change a one of the facts I listed about Romney, all of which you conveniently ignored.

    Don't shoot the messenger - take it up with him, those are his positions, as he has described them. In his own words, his views are Progressive. Don't know about you, but I won't be voting for any progressives. Repub or Dem.
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/05 21:33:23 (edited)
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    I have only been on about two weeks. I'm not familiar with you. So no, not "everyone" is aware of your position.
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/05 21:52:44
    Tinka123
    +1
    I'm not the one up for debate, nor is Ron Paul - Romney is. And you've still yet t address any of the facts surrounding him.
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/05 23:36:19
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    Well but you assured me that "everyone" knows you are a Paul supporter.

    I am not going to change my mind and neither are you. I don't need to convince you to vote for Romney. Throw away your vote as you see fit. It is YOUR vote. Not mine.
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/06 00:02:11 (edited)
    Tinka123
    +1
    You're redirecting the conversation to semantics to avoid the obvious inconsistencies in your assertions about Romney. He's no Capitalist, he's a corporatist, as is* Obama. That's the same, not different.

    I'm not trying to change your mind, really don't care who you vote for. But I AM a Capitalist and I don't like being lumped in with Corporate Collectivists. My agenda is truth - nothing more.

    If both candidates are the same, and you've failed to provide any accurate distinction of policy difference between the two of them - then it is those voting for them with the expectation that there will be any substantive difference in our current state, that are throwing their votes away.

    I run my own life, not looking for a leader to save me or tell me how to live / think. Americans have proven themselves content with the Corporate Collectivist agenda as they refuse to support a candidate that practices genuine Capitalism. So, they'll get what they get.

    Romney can't lose votes he never had to begin with.
  • ☆ElenaD... Tinka123 2012/07/06 00:19:38
    ☆ElenaDiamond☆
    right,
  • Tinka123 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/06 00:39:11
    Tinka123
    +1
    Indeed
  • Max7 ☆ElenaD... 2012/07/06 04:48:03
    Max7
    President Obama does not support abortion, that is a blatten untruth. The president feels that women of age have the right to have an abortion because it is their choice. Mitt Romney on the other hand is unable to make up his mind what he stands for, today it's this, and tomorrow it's that. The president has compassion for the immigrants, whereas Mitt Romney has compassion for no one but is family and his hidden monies.

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