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Are 'Legal Drugs' as Dangerous as Illegal?

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Just because a substance is legal, that doesn't mean it's safe. With new substances hitting the market on a regular basis, it's impossible for authorities and experts to keep track of them, meaning there's very little reliable information available. A while back, a handful of teens were hospitalized after taking synthetic marijuana -- cause enough for concern. But this weekend a 20-year-old man died after taking a substance called Benzo Fury at a Scotland music festival.

David Liddell, director of Scottish Drugs Forum, said in a statement, "Benzo Fury is a so-called legal high -- or New Psychoactive Drug -- which appears to have a similar effect to Ecstasy. It's one of the new legal highs developed to get around the banning of similar compounds ... As it's not been around for long there is little information on long-term effects and as with all these drugs, there's no knowing what's actually in them. The names are just to market them and may bear no relation to what's in them." Do you think these "legal drugs" are just as dangerous as the illegal ones?


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  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/15 05:05:21
    VICTORIA
    +2
    Like Scott in Florida?
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/15 05:09:17
    ZERO
    Pretty much.
  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/16 03:26:36
    VICTORIA
    I take it you yourself are lucky enough not to be taking any medication, or have anyone in your life that does.
    If you did- you'd have a different attitude.

    ANd if you DO have this bizarre anti- oversight attitude- and have a family member who DOES take medication- shame on you.
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/20 03:25:00
    ZERO
    I think you miss my point. The FDA does a poor job of protecting the public, THAT needs to change.
  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/21 03:07:10
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Give me some examples.
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/21 07:14:48
    ZERO
    "The Food and Drug Administration voted overwhelmingly to keep the diabetes drug Avandia on the market, despite its known deadly effects. Two FDA committees met yesterday in Gaithersburg, Maryland, to consider whether the drug -- which has led to the deaths of 80,000 people -- should be pulled from the marketplace." http://www.naturalnews.com/02...

    "Public Citizen, a national non-profit public interest organization, exposed that while conflicts of interest at the FDA's drug advisory committees are common and often have serious dollars at stake, advisory committee members and voting consultants rarely step down because of them." http://www.naturalnews.com/02...

    "Following the death of as many as 60,000 Americans from COX-2 inhibitors (source: British Medical Journal, author Dr. David Graham, FDA drug safety researcher), an FDA advisory panel has now voted to allow the drugs to return to the market with full FDA safety approval. The fact that a single COX-2 drug has reportedly killed more Americans than the entire Vietnam War is apparently not sufficient for the FDA to characterize it as unsafe." http://www.naturalnews.com/00...
    "The Food and Drug Administration voted overwhelmingly to keep the diabetes drug Avandia on the market, despite its known deadly effects. Two FDA committees met yesterday in Gaithersburg, Maryland, to consider whether the drug -- which has led to the deaths of 80,000 people -- should be pulled from the marketplace." http://www.naturalnews.com/02...

    "Public Citizen, a national non-profit public interest organization, exposed that while conflicts of interest at the FDA's drug advisory committees are common and often have serious dollars at stake, advisory committee members and voting consultants rarely step down because of them." http://www.naturalnews.com/02...

    "Following the death of as many as 60,000 Americans from COX-2 inhibitors (source: British Medical Journal, author Dr. David Graham, FDA drug safety researcher), an FDA advisory panel has now voted to allow the drugs to return to the market with full FDA safety approval. The fact that a single COX-2 drug has reportedly killed more Americans than the entire Vietnam War is apparently not sufficient for the FDA to characterize it as unsafe." http://www.naturalnews.com/00...
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  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/22 05:09:08
    VICTORIA
    +1
    So? That's it? Are you serious?
    You're funny.
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/22 05:28:00
    ZERO
    "the FDA has "certified" a 2009 letter sent anonymously by FDA staff to President Obama describing "systemic corruption and wrongdoing that permeates all levels of FDA."" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5...
  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/23 02:41:32
    VICTORIA
    So what? Do you even remember what your point was?
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/23 03:00:52
    ZERO
    I believe that if we were playing chess, my last post would be checkmate. Why are you arguing anyway, do you work for the FDA or something?

    Perhaps I should refresh your memory about my point.

    "The FDA would be a good thing if it was there to protect the public. Sadly in practice it protects business at the expense of the public. Case in point: who tests drugs to make sure they're safe? Not the FDA, they rely on the drug dealers to do that, a clear CONFLICT OF INTEREST."

    Which of course is part of the "systemic corruption and wrongdoing that permeates all levels of the FDA" exposed by CBS News.

    So, got another pithy retort? Or would you rather move on?
  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/24 03:59:07
    VICTORIA
    The conversation I was having with you was about the nature of addiction.

    Since you want to segue it into another boring RWNJ rant against government- there's nothing to say, is there?
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/24 04:22:57
    ZERO
    Wow. You do realize that you have not mentioned the word addiction in this thread before your last reply, right?
  • AskZilla VICTORIA 2012/06/15 08:19:05
    AskZilla
    +1
    Gee, if the FDA did what it was supposed to do, instead of being total whores to the big money johns known as big pharma, maybe we'd have respect for the FDA missy. No one is advocating the existence of "bath salts" except for substance abuse losers.
  • ZERO 2012/06/15 04:50:06
    No
    ZERO
    +2
    They're much more dangerous, they kill many more people.
  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/15 04:53:18
    VICTORIA
    So why on earth did you vote no?
  • ZERO VICTORIA 2012/06/15 04:59:01
    ZERO
    +2
    I thought it went better with my answer.
  • VICTORIA ZERO 2012/06/15 05:02:04
    VICTORIA
    +1
    I can see that.
  • jackie 2012/06/15 04:41:32 (edited)
    Yes
    jackie
    +2
    So than rather take all that than just allow weed to be legal?
  • Grammar... jackie 2012/06/15 10:20:15
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    Maybe you shouldn't smoke quite so much.
    It's almost impossible to sort out what the hell you tried to say.
  • Liz Del Rey 2012/06/15 04:39:40
    Yes
    Liz Del Rey
    +1
    People are getting high off of BATH SALTS
    What's happening to the world?!?!?!
  • ZERO Liz Del... 2012/06/15 05:05:57
    ZERO
    +3
    Bath salts is just a street name for a designer drug. Actual bath salts are harmless.
  • jackie ZERO 2012/06/15 05:08:16
    jackie
    +1
    Until you swallow it or inject it. they are now banning it out of some stores.
  • ZERO jackie 2012/06/15 05:33:55
    ZERO
    I'm not sure what would happen if you swallowed or injected actual bath salts, but I doubt it would be something you'd want to do again. Here's an article which should clear up any confusion. http://www.webmd.com/mental-h...
  • Liz Del... ZERO 2012/06/15 05:13:40
    Liz Del Rey
    +1
    No, they're actually getting high on bath salts.
    bath salts
  • ZERO Liz Del... 2012/06/15 05:31:14
    ZERO
    Ivory Wave," "Purple Wave," Vanilla Sky," and "Bliss" -- all are among the many street names of a so-called designer drug known as “bath salts,” which has sparked thousands of calls to poison centers across the U.S. over the last year.

    WebMD talked about bath salts and other designer drugs with Zane Horowitz, MD, an emergency room physician and medical director of the Oregon Poison Center.

    First of all, what are bath salts?

    "The presumption is that most bath salts are MDPV, or methylenedioxypyrovalerone, although newer pyrovalerone derivatives are being made by illegal street chemists. Nobody really knows, because there is no way to test for these substances," Horowitz says.

    http://www.webmd.com/mental-h...
  • Liz Del... ZERO 2012/06/15 05:37:47
    Liz Del Rey
    +1
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    http://www.stltoday.com/lifes...

    "Vanilla Sky", and the others are the names of the bath salts. Bath salts, as in the stuff you put in you're bath tub.. it's not a designer drug. You can buy them at Wal-Mart, and Wal-Mart isn't big on designers.
  • ZERO Liz Del... 2012/06/15 05:48:39
    ZERO
    From the same WebMD article:

    Why are they called bath salts?

    "It’s confusing. Is this what we put in our bathtubs, like Epsom salts? No. But by marketing them as bath salts and labeling them 'not for human consumption,' they have been able to avoid them being specifically enumerated as illegal," Horowitz says http://www.webmd.com/mental-h...
  • Liz Del... ZERO 2012/06/15 05:52:12
    Liz Del Rey
    I'll make this easy for you, What I'm talking about is the same thing you are. They're not designer drugs. vanilla sky bath salts
    vanilla sky bath salts
    vanilla sky bath salts
  • ZERO Liz Del... 2012/06/15 06:11:57
  • Adam ZERO 2012/06/15 10:50:33
    Adam
    +1
    Wow, I just read that whole exchange. Reading comprehension is not what it used to be. It was a valiant effort, but idiots will be idiots.
  • ZERO Adam 2012/06/15 17:29:51
    ZERO
    lol
  • jackie ZERO 2012/06/15 05:58:21
    jackie
    +1
    I read that part you took out on the website. The person basically has a theory that they are selling it as a drug but then they label "not for human consumption" to get around the law. Do that person who wrote that article have any proof on that? Do he have any proof that they are secretly going under the name "bath salts" as a drug to sell to everyone?
  • ZERO jackie 2012/06/15 06:18:56
    ZERO
    I just posted an excerpt from an article LizRobot shared with me above. It quotes and names a police officer discussing MDPV distribution.
  • jackie ZERO 2012/06/15 05:41:09 (edited)
    jackie
    +1
    they are the name of bath salts. they are the same stuff that you can buy. they are trying to make it illegal now.
  • ZERO jackie 2012/06/15 05:50:44
    ZERO
    Actual bath salts are empsom salts. The drug known as bath salts is MDPV, or methylenedioxypyrovalerone.
  • AskZilla ZERO 2012/06/15 08:21:53
    AskZilla
    +1
    But what if you actually used them as bath salts and didn't ingest them?
  • ZERO AskZilla 2012/06/15 08:28:30
    ZERO
    +1
    It might not hurt you... much, but the price of $20 to $50 for a tiny 50 milligram package might dissuade people from using them as bath salts.
  • AskZilla ZERO 2012/06/19 21:57:52
    AskZilla
    +1
    I can't understand for the life of me why people think it's normal and find it so fun to ingest stuff that harms or kills you. Consumption of alcohol is a good example.

    Why would someone pay $50 a container for strange bath salts? I'm definitely in the wrong kind of business. Damn.
  • ZERO AskZilla 2012/06/20 03:29:53
    ZERO
    The desire to alter consciousness seems to be a somewhat universal tendency among humans. Since the government seeks to place rather strict limits on existing drugs, people are always coming up with new ones. From what I have heard, 'bath salts' are marketed as a cocaine analog.
  • HAlex1972 2012/06/15 04:34:37 (edited)
    Yes
    HAlex1972
    +1
    Taking OTC pain relievers, such as Motrin or Aleve are more dangerous than taking prescription opiates such as hydrocodone or oxycodone. Aleve and Motrin can cause heart attack, stroke, and stomach bleeding (aspirin does this too.) Tylenol causes cirrhosis of the liver.
    In comparison, opiates, when taken as directed, have only minor side effects, such as dry mouth, itching, sweating, sometimes dizziness.

    http://www.drugs.com/ibuprofe...
    http://www.drugs.com/mtm/oxyc...

    Looks like the OTC pain relievers should be the ones where a prescription is needed. Most people would probably be able to handle taking opiates OTC, although there are the people out there who would abuse it. (Making these substances prescription-only hasn't stopped or lowered the abuse, however).

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