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Are Implantable Chips in the Health Care Bill?

Chico 2009/11/21 22:19:32
There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky if you're a Govt Control Libtard) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.
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  • DavE 2009/11/21 22:49:20
    DavE
    +9

    The Socialist Democrats bring their socialist slavery to America.
    Stop this madness !

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  • melissa 2013/04/23 22:08:00
    melissa
    +3
    it should be our right to choose
  • Takai Sin 2013/03/28 15:16:16
    Takai Sin
    +3
    This is not the work of the devil idiots, there is no such thing as god and devil. This is just a method for the goverment to know where you are and what you do at all times =/ Stop blaming the devil and god for the good/bad deeds of humanity.
  • francis joseph 2012/07/03 11:39:59
    francis joseph
    +1
    you Americans as much as your happy the devil is just by your door steps of your hearts be careful hell is real and you might all go there , run to Jesus he will save you
  • donna 2012/06/30 04:00:29
    donna
    +1
    if it is the mark of the beast an u get it be to late wouldnt
  • bill 2012/05/25 06:42:26
    bill
    +2
    I have come across a FDA document which set the regulation requirements for implantation by dec 2012 ref. http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ode/g...
  • susan 2012/04/19 18:42:21
    susan
    +2
    You have got to be kidding!!! Has everyone lost their minds!!
  • susan 2012/12/12 23:44:06
    +11
    Our minds have been corrupted for quite some time now
  • Anna Mannino 2012/04/06 21:08:09
    Anna Mannino
    +2
    I just did a search in the pdf file of the bill for the words "implant" and "class ii" and came up with nothing. I don't know what ass he pulled this quote from, but from the healthcare bill it did not come.
  • gforce Anna Ma... 2012/07/27 05:29:40
    gforce
    +2
    It was in the original version of the bill the revised version does not say implantable but says an electronic device, by which could be an implantable approved FDA chip.
  • sarah 2012/03/12 09:57:01
    sarah
    +2
    If you believe everything you read and hear then i am sorry for you. He didnt give all the information from the bill, only what pertained to his opinion. i am a devout christian but i dont believe all the hype. find it for yourself and read it then research what you dont understand. dont just assume bc someone told you or thats what it looked like it stated. dont be one of the heard of cattle and just go along with what everyone says. Be your OWN person and figure it out.
  • Dr. Parker 2010/04/22 23:41:36 (edited)
    Dr. Parker
    Sure, now the people have healthcare, but its strings are insidious, as it requires the people to be chipped with RFID transmitters, like cattle.



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    Sure, now the people have healthcare, but its strings are insidious, as it requires the people to be chipped with RFID transmitters, like cattle.



    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/...


    http://investigate911.org Investigate 9/11 Now!



    "The Money Power Seeks to Create a World System of Financial Control in Private Hands Able to Dominate Every Nation on Earth … nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole." --Dr. Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time", President Bill Clinton’s professor & mentor.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/157...

    Our two-party system is broken. Our country is being stolen. Supranational Banking & Finance Oligarchs have hijacked our federal government and mainstream media, by controlling both the democratic and republican parties.



    We are printing pamphlets, which expose this criminal agenda and are posting them on cars at malls, churches, and door-to-door within our neighborhoods, and using www.meetup.com to organize locally.



    Now is the time for "We the People" to peacefully, legally, and lawfully organize our military, police, and all public officials to take back our stolen Country, with the brilliant mechanisms that our founding fathers provided within our Constitution, to protect our Freedom. We must act now before it is too late!



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  • Bruce 2010/03/29 11:18:17
    Bruce
    +4
    First off I ask that you all read this entire post it contains important information in the latter half.
    Bruce
    These "chips" are not just info gathering devices, they are one part of a real medical device such as a pacemaker, infusion pump used to deliver medicine, replacement hip joints etc.

    Where did you get your definition of a Class II Implantable Device? From what I can tell it must have come from another blogger, or from one of the many many web sites that are promoting incomplete, inaccurate, false and/or misleading and fear-mongering information. I actually went to the FDA site that defines Class II devices. You are referring to: Implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information. There are many Class II devices other than the radiofrequency transponder (such as pace makers), and some of these, but not all, also have the ability to tranmit data. This type device is not used for tracking people!!! My niece has such a device. She has diabetes and elected to get an implantable infusion pump (used to deliver the correct dosage of insulin) It is great and she is glad she has it, since she no longer has to give herself shots and end up with tracks and bruising from repeated injections. The "data" collected, that you all ...























    First off I ask that you all read this entire post it contains important information in the latter half.
    Bruce
    These "chips" are not just info gathering devices, they are one part of a real medical device such as a pacemaker, infusion pump used to deliver medicine, replacement hip joints etc.

    Where did you get your definition of a Class II Implantable Device? From what I can tell it must have come from another blogger, or from one of the many many web sites that are promoting incomplete, inaccurate, false and/or misleading and fear-mongering information. I actually went to the FDA site that defines Class II devices. You are referring to: Implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information. There are many Class II devices other than the radiofrequency transponder (such as pace makers), and some of these, but not all, also have the ability to tranmit data. This type device is not used for tracking people!!! My niece has such a device. She has diabetes and elected to get an implantable infusion pump (used to deliver the correct dosage of insulin) It is great and she is glad she has it, since she no longer has to give herself shots and end up with tracks and bruising from repeated injections. The "data" collected, that you all are so scared of, is nothing more than the number of doses, the amount of drug delivered with each dose etc. Nothing to fear there! The device is capable of reading the bar code on her medicines insuring she uses the right drug. It is also capable of uploading this information to the doctor's/hospital's database (her medical records) which are private and covered by doctor/patient confidentiality. The only information that is "pooled" is generic stuff used to compare results with other patients (none of whom are identified in this pooling) in order to determine the devices effectiveness in helping treat patients. With this information scientific teams can make improvements to the devices or correct any failures so that future devices will do their job more effectively. Here is the description of such devices from the FDA and can be found on this web page: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov...

    TITLE 21--FOOD AND DRUGS
    CHAPTER I--FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION
    DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
    SUBCHAPTER H--MEDICAL DEVICES
    PART 880 -- GENERAL HOSPITAL AND PERSONAL USE DEVICES

    Subpart G--General Hospital and Personal Use Miscellaneous Devices

    Sec. 880.6300 Implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.

    (a)Identification . An implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information is a device intended to enable access to secure patient identification and corresponding health information. This system may include a passive implanted TRANSPONDER, INSERTER, AND SCANNER. The implanted transponder is used only to store a unique electronic identification code that is read by the scanner. The identification code is used to access patient identity and corresponding health information stored in a database.

    (b)Classification . Class II (special controls). The special control is FDA's guidance document entitled "Class II Special Controls Guidance Document: Implantable Radiofrequency Transponder System for Patient Identification and Health Information." See 880.1(e) for the availability of this guidance document. This device is exempt from the premarket notification procedures in subpart E of part 807 of this chapter subject to the limitations in 880.9.
    [69 FR 71704, Dec. 10, 2004]

    Note that the device includes not only the transponder, but also the INSERTER (to deliver medicines) and a SCANNER (to identify the medicine assuring the right meds and correct dosages).

    In the health care bill NOWHERE does it say anything about any person being required to have a device implanted, adult or child. And it certainly does not allow for automatic implantation of devices into newborns.

    PLEASE PEOPLE STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING YOU READ OR HEAR AND SIMPLY DO A LITTLE RESEARCH!!! IT TOOK ME LESS TIME TO FIND MY INFORMATION FROM THE ACTUAL HEALTH CARE BILL AND FROM THE FDA HERE ON THE INTERNET THAN IT TOOK TO READ THIS PAGE!!!!!!

    Get a life or get informed, truly informed by the correct sources.
    Bruce
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  • nancee 2010/03/10 03:10:35
    nancee
    This is the first I have heard of this CHIP, are you sure?
  • Lucy formerly of Finchley 2009/11/25 03:41:26 (edited)
    Lucy formerly of Finchley
    +2
    No one's putting anything in me. Nuh-uh. Nope. Not happening.
  • Pseudonym 2009/11/23 04:22:49 (edited)
  • Philo-Publius 2009/11/22 04:49:05
    Philo-Publius
    +3
    I'm gonna go ahead and take the chip. But if I get scammed... if this turns out to be the mark of the beast... I'm gonna be very disappointed, very disappointed...
    gonna chip scammed turns mark beast gonna disappointed disappointed
    'fact I'll have half a mind to go to the warden.
  • Vennite... Philo-P... 2013/02/21 01:38:15
    Vennitetribe
    +4
    You won't just be dissappointed, if this is the mark of the beast, you will be doomed to hell forever. I would advice you not to allow them put a chip into you
  • Hudsonjam 2009/11/22 04:06:11
  • DavE Hudsonjam 2009/11/23 14:26:45
    DavE
    We woke up and found we have Socialism. The fight is in the critical stage now.
    Keep rocking Hudson !
  • Shell 2009/11/22 03:56:29
  • Faith,♥ Maranatha! 2009/11/22 03:45:08
    Faith,♥ Maranatha!
    +3
    The health reform bill has very little to do with health but more about control!
  • MO.gal 2009/11/22 02:29:44
  • OBSCURERAYNE 2009/11/22 02:02:34
    OBSCURERAYNE
    +3
    miss me with that shit...they can shoot me before they implant that shit into me. its the sign of the beast people!! before you know it.. the death camps will be up and running...this world is going down the tubes...
  • zyledr 2009/11/22 00:46:38
    zyledr
    +3
    Great post, thanks for the info. This is serious stuff.
  • Angelique ~ Pfffft! ;)~ 2009/11/21 23:27:49
    Angelique ~ Pfffft!  ;)~
    +5
    And now, for some strange reason, I am sad. Just sad.
  • hook 2009/11/21 23:15:00
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2009/11/21 23:14:11
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    +2
    Internet rumors, nothing but fear mongering. internet rumors fear mongering
  • Chico ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2009/11/21 23:26:28 (edited)
    Chico
    +6
    "Buried deep within the over 1,000 pages of the massive US Health Care Bill (PDF) in a “non-discussed” section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as:

    “The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

    Sooooo.............why even mention it? (In the Bill)
  • Shopnnut Chico 2009/11/24 22:03:47
    Shopnnut
    Actually, just as an FYI, I have looked this up and found this, as stated, on page 1001 of the original 1018 page bill, Subtitle C - National Medical Device Registry, Sec 2521. However, in the House bill, released in Nov, it is found on page 1502 of the 1990 page bill, Subtitle C - Food and Drug Administration (interestingly they have changed the title), Sec 2571. So.... in case anyone is looking and can't find 2521, try 2571.

    The latter reads a bit differently from the former, thankfully:
    "(ii) may include, as the Secretary determines appropriate and specifies in regulation, a class II device that is life-supporting or life-sustaining."
    old version:
    ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining."

    Thanks for posting this information that most certainly warrants a "heads up".
  • angelina55 Shopnnut 2010/03/31 03:20:08 (edited)
    angelina55
    +1
    If this is the implantable chip that the original poster is referring to, then it's not an implantable chip for every person in order to get healthcare like the original poster is implying. Just like Bruce said (second post), these implantable chips are life sustaining measures or options that patients can take in order to better maintain their health. Such as in the situation with his neice who is diabetic and must take regular insulin shots and must have her insulin levels continuously monitored. She chose to have this kind of implantable device for her condition. From what you posted, I don't see any indication that this bill is requiring implantable chips for anyone who wants to recieve healthcare.
  • angelina55 2012/12/12 23:55:46
    +9
    I'm pretty sure they wouldnt announce that this was indeed a "tracking chip" of sorts or whatever agende they might have... If I were to implement it I would make it something people would want to have. And also, this will be the cheaper of two alternatives... Money is the root of all evil, as we know it at least :)
  • hook ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2009/11/21 23:34:07
  • Ken ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2009/11/22 00:22:42
    Ken
    +2
    Looks like the fear mongering has been warning us of the many things that become fact.
  • GeorgeAVO ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2009/11/22 00:57:49
    GeorgeAVO
    +4
    If he is quoting from the bill, how is that rumor and fear mongering?
  • Chico GeorgeAVO 2009/11/22 14:14:14
    Chico
    +1
    If you disagree with a pseudo-intellectual enlightened lib, you are fear mongering.

    Don't you know that? ;)
  • Barefoot Peace and Love∞ijm... 2009/11/21 23:11:37
    Barefoot Peace and Love∞ijm♥☮♥∞
    +8
    I don't want their chip...... and will die ....FIRST!!
    Peace and Love.... GOD BLESS!! chip die peace love god bless
  • DavE 2009/11/21 22:49:20
    DavE
    +9

    The Socialist Democrats bring their socialist slavery to America.
    Stop this madness !
  • Chico 2009/11/21 22:23:42
    Chico
    +4
    The Libtard author of the above actually thinks its a good idea!
  • CupCakeELF 2009/11/21 22:23:32
    CupCakeELF
    YOU SED BILL! sed
  • Chico CupCakeELF 2009/11/21 22:33:54

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