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Are Faith-Healing Parents Guilty of a Crime for Not Seeking Medical Care for Daughter?

SodaHead News 2011/06/09 11:00:00
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Is it possible to be guilty of doing nothing? A jury in Oregon City, Ore., thought so in the case of a mother and father who are members of a faith-healing church. After just one hour of deliberation on Tuesday, the jury unanimously found Timothy and Rebecca Wyland guilty of felony criminal mistreatment for not seeking medical care for their daughter.

The two face up to five years in prison, but are likely to receive probation and possibly some jail time in the case that gained national attention for pointing out the division between faith and medicine.

The couple failed to consult a doctor when their daughter Alayna's birthmark developed into an abnormal growth of blood vessels, known as a hemangioma.

doctor daughter alaynas birthmark developed abnormal growth blood vessels hemangioma

Though she improved under court-ordered medical care, the case was the third involving members of Oregon City's Followers of Christ church, which considers medical treatment a rejection of religious faith. The Wylands were the third couple from the church to be prosecuted in the past two years for failing to provide medical treatment for their children.

The lead prosecutor dismissed defense attorney's attempts to paint the Wylands as victims of overly aggressive child-welfare workers who took away their daughter and persecuted the couple for their religious beliefs. The prosecution also noted that the couple had more than six months to seek medical attention for the child, but did not do so because of their faith.

During that time, they watched as the growth ballooned and relied on faith-healing rituals such as prayer, anointing with oils and laying of hands to counter the condition.

Oregon law considers a parent or guardian who "intentionally or knowingly withholds medical attention from a person" to be guilty of first-degree criminal mistreatment.

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  • U Mad Bro? 2011/06/10 15:21:27
    Yes
    U Mad Bro?
    +7
    With a hemangioma that big, the safest thing to do is have it removed ASAP. It can cause heart failure due the amount of blood being diverted to the tumor. The court did the right thing. I'd like to see how this family deals with stage 3 cancer.

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  • QUIS EVADET 2013/03/12 22:35:36
    Yes
    QUIS EVADET
    Science heals. Faith steals.

    prayer vs science
  • Miss_Metalgirl 2011/06/12 12:40:50
    No
    Miss_Metalgirl
    I think it's everybody's own decision if they want to be cured. Don't you watch Dr.House? The doctors have to ask if the patient agrees with the operation. If they don't ask, the patient can sue them, even if he or she dies.
  • Cody Miss_Me... 2011/06/20 20:18:32
    Cody
    ok, well in this case the parents aren't the patient and the child isn't being given a choice in the matter. i'm sure if she was old enough to have a choice she would want medical treatment for something that serious.
  • TasselLady 2011/06/11 14:47:57
    Yes
    TasselLady
    YES. This is why God gave some men/women the knowledge and the gift of healing and treating illnesses. God works through these people to provide just that. Prayer, however, is very important as well as the treatment is. If after the treatment, nothing improves, then for reasons only God himself knows, it wasn't his will for the treatment to work. This is a nasty reminder of the Christ Science church which operates in a similar manner. Look at how many kids and adults have died because they wouldn't seek anything except prayer to heal themselves or their children? I believe God put doctors and nurses here for a reason, as well as other healthcare professionals to help people. God works through these people just like he works through volunteers who work in soup kitchens and other similar places.
  • Mike 2011/06/11 14:29:00
    Undecided
    Mike
    If anything, their guilty of stupidy.
  • Broddy 2011/06/11 14:27:24
    Yes
    Broddy
    Yes as well as being Guilty of being Stupid.

    "A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says "get in, get in!" The religous man replies, " no I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle."

    Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in god and god will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again cause "God will grant him a miracle."

    With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grant me a miracle and I have been let down." St. Peter chuckles and responds, "I don't know what you're complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter."

    Some people really are that stupid.
  • Bomb a 2011/06/11 14:19:35
    No
    Bomb a
    +2
    It's called death by natural causes. Even when people are brain dead for years some people won't pull the plug and others will e.g. Terri Schiavo.
  • Georgia50 2011/06/11 14:11:10
    Yes
    Georgia50
    The parents ought to have followed their faith while seeking medical assistance in the absence of divine healing. As Paul advised Timothy, "Drink a little wine for your stomach's sake." This is the same Paul unaffected by a venomous snake bite.
  • ExplodingHead 2011/06/11 13:55:00
    Yes
    ExplodingHead
    According to the law they are guilty. God does not heal people. Ridiculous.
  • Markie 2011/06/11 13:39:05
    No
    Markie
    Why make a sad situation even worse. They know their hearts and god knows all hearts. Leave it alone
  • L K 2011/06/11 13:22:08 (edited)
    Yes
    L K
    Yes, parents who do not do whatever they can to ensure the health, welfare, and safety of their child should be punished. G-d is a wonderful addition to the mix but should never take the place of using you head to care for your children. That would be like watching a child get mauled by a bear and not running to save her. You can't just think, G-d will save her if she was meant to live. Ridiculous. G-d gave parents brains to use for goodness sakes!
  • JustCallMeBub 2011/06/11 13:12:51 (edited)
    Yes
    JustCallMeBub
    +2
    I believe in divine healing but there is a fine line drawn in the sand when it comes to FAITH in healing.. Believing for my self for a healing is one thing and my business, but to stand in the gap for another, the line is drawn in the sand.. They needed to take this child to the Doctor along with prayer, but they've been taught that it is the lack of FAITH to take the child to the Doctors.. GOD meets you where your need is and to limit his resources is foolishness..
  • lucky JustCal... 2011/06/11 13:21:32
    lucky
    +1
    Wonderful statement!
  • JustCal... lucky 2011/06/11 13:37:42
    JustCallMeBub
    THANK YOU: ) I feel LUCKY
  • JustCal... lucky 2011/06/11 13:50:39 (edited)
    JustCallMeBub
    The Bible Say's spare the rod you spoil the child, and rightfully so, but to have a strong faith in that scripture and cause welts on your child,, you've crossed the line there as well.. Because it is obvious the child was nor reprimanded in love but out of anger.. The word ROD doesn't have to mean a literal a ROD either... Children can suffer emotional and physical harm of those that take their faith to far.. Muslims are a prime example of that.. You know that Religion of peace that the Media keeps telling us about...
    Thanks for your comment LUCKY
  • Independent Thinker 2011/06/11 13:03:18
    No
    Independent Thinker
    The article synopsis was slanted against the parents and gave the impression that the state workers were "saints" and the parents were Christian fools.

    Each case is unique. I know of families who have opted out of medical care for solid reasons; they are not kooks.

    In this case I would like to make a sincere effort to read all the facts but in the meantime I will vote no.

    There are well-meaning state workers but coming from a background where the state over-reaches.. I always will be on the side of individual freedom. Without it, believe me, our country would be walking into a bigger mess.
  • Explodi... Indepen... 2011/06/11 13:56:17
    ExplodingHead
    Did you see the growth on the childs head? These parents ARE idiots.
  • Indepen... Explodi... 2011/06/11 20:10:00
    Independent Thinker
    Yes, I did but having a medical background I can tell you there are issues that need to be hashed over prior to making a solid decision.

    In this case....was there more than one team of physicians collaborating? What were the credentials of the medical team? Is there a power struggle going?-- "My way or the highway" type attitude. Was it the right timing? etc

    The idea is to make sure the puzzle pieces of moving forward are right from every angle...not just the state.

    Now there are many, many children in this great land (and in my homeland) who are physically disabled topically (e.g. burn victims, etc.) but they live a happy productive life.

    In this case I need more input to make a serious decision; the details are not there. Out of curiosity I will goggle this case and I certainly would not say the parents are idiots. I do not know them and neither do you.
  • Cody Indepen... 2011/06/20 20:36:13
    Cody
    there were no teams of physicians collaborating...they refused to seek any medical help which is why the court had to force them to seek medical treatment for their child

    they knowingly endangered that child's life (whether they believed they were doing the right thing or not)
  • freddy 2011/06/11 12:45:41
    Yes
    freddy
    If they are so religious why can't they see it as God gave these Doctors the gift to help them rather than as turning away from God. As part of the penalty,instead of jailing them or fining them, make them pay court costs and go to counciling. Also make them produce the child once a month for medical examination. Since a baby or young child is not old enough to understand religion it does not interfer with her rights.
  • Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/06/11 11:54:54
    Yes
    Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    This is what happens when "faith" in the unknowable, rules thought. It's a mental illness that leads to tragedy for others.
  • Chaya2010 2011/06/11 11:23:59
    Yes
    Chaya2010
    +1
    That is criminally irresponsible. They wont be the first and they wont be the last. I would say jail them if it wouldn't affect the child which is the victim.

    This is the problem when superstition crosses the line and effects reality.
  • Israel Chaya2010 2011/06/11 12:39:22
    Israel
    +1
    You could also apply this to scientologists who are just as dangerous! They should not be allowed to breed! They are completely without medical training or expertise, taking mentally ill, those who are psychotic, schizophrenic, bipolar.... off their meds onto vitimens and then wonder why these people either kill themselves or someone else!! Well, duh! Aparently, mental illness does not exist, nor do learning difficulties/specific learning disabilities, autism, mental retardation...... and they claim to cure dyslexia, which is a lifelong disability. I should know, I have had it 48 years, and will another 48 years, if I live that long. These people are retards themselves. They espouse a therapy called dianetics in which, none of them have any degrees, proper training, peer review, clinical training, no ethics, no registration, no data pretection act, and aparently if you speak out, any information in these so called therapy sessions, in which the training consists of not laughing at Donald Duck impressions, and poor ones at that, are divulged and printed publically! Very dangerous pseudo science.
    Apart from which, I do not remember Jesus ever saying you could not visit a doctor, or withold medical treatment and just pray. Treatment and prayer should go hand in hand. You can do ...
    You could also apply this to scientologists who are just as dangerous! They should not be allowed to breed! They are completely without medical training or expertise, taking mentally ill, those who are psychotic, schizophrenic, bipolar.... off their meds onto vitimens and then wonder why these people either kill themselves or someone else!! Well, duh! Aparently, mental illness does not exist, nor do learning difficulties/specific learning disabilities, autism, mental retardation...... and they claim to cure dyslexia, which is a lifelong disability. I should know, I have had it 48 years, and will another 48 years, if I live that long. These people are retards themselves. They espouse a therapy called dianetics in which, none of them have any degrees, proper training, peer review, clinical training, no ethics, no registration, no data pretection act, and aparently if you speak out, any information in these so called therapy sessions, in which the training consists of not laughing at Donald Duck impressions, and poor ones at that, are divulged and printed publically! Very dangerous pseudo science.
    Apart from which, I do not remember Jesus ever saying you could not visit a doctor, or withold medical treatment and just pray. Treatment and prayer should go hand in hand. You can do both. So where they get this hair-brained idea that Christ says you cannot have medical treatment, I have no idea! It is not a rejection of faith to have treatment or see a doctor. This leader of this church should be shot for passing on such spurious and dangerous ideas. Faith healing, or even herbs, alternative medicine can go hand in hand with current medical science/doctors/treatment to help the patient, but not faith-healing alone. Only Jesus had the power to heal with his hands and that died with him.
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  • Indepen... Israel 2011/06/11 13:07:44
    Independent Thinker
    Wow! That is one far-reaching statement. Obviously you are not a fan of Scientology (hate them...would be more accurate). I would need to research the data more but your comments are over the top. Your statement says more about you than this belief system.
  • Israel Indepen... 2011/06/11 13:38:05
    Israel
    No, I have personal experience of scientology and I do know what I am talking about!!! I have friends who were involved and managed to get out, not without problems of intimidation. She has had to move away. Scientology is well documented for not believing in mental ill health, learning difficulties and claiming to cure dyslexia, when there is no cure, it is a life long condition. There have been cases here in the UK and US of people being taken off meds suddenly and put on to vitimins, as scientologists do not believe in anti-psychotic, depression meds. I suggest you investigate this and you will find they hate Psychiatry and have tried to discredit the profession. They attacked a reporter for the Panorama programme in the UK for making a scientific programme on the dangers of what they do. So no, I do not need to do any research. I have done that, know people who have had bad experiences.
    Apart from which, independ..... what is your point, apart fro a personal attack, that is? I have had this dianetics training, although I stopped going when I was given a CD on how they planed to attack and discredit personally the man who did the expose on Scientology and their rabid hatred of the Psychiatry profession and drugs. They even extend this hatred to psychologists who they say g...
    No, I have personal experience of scientology and I do know what I am talking about!!! I have friends who were involved and managed to get out, not without problems of intimidation. She has had to move away. Scientology is well documented for not believing in mental ill health, learning difficulties and claiming to cure dyslexia, when there is no cure, it is a life long condition. There have been cases here in the UK and US of people being taken off meds suddenly and put on to vitimins, as scientologists do not believe in anti-psychotic, depression meds. I suggest you investigate this and you will find they hate Psychiatry and have tried to discredit the profession. They attacked a reporter for the Panorama programme in the UK for making a scientific programme on the dangers of what they do. So no, I do not need to do any research. I have done that, know people who have had bad experiences.
    Apart from which, independ..... what is your point, apart fro a personal attack, that is? I have had this dianetics training, although I stopped going when I was given a CD on how they planed to attack and discredit personally the man who did the expose on Scientology and their rabid hatred of the Psychiatry profession and drugs. They even extend this hatred to psychologists who they say give drugs when this is blatently untrue. The extent to which they dug into her personal, private life and background, was deeply disturbing. I got out immediately! I was also increadingly worried and disturbed by their bizare and unethical training. By the way, I know dianetics has no registration, no peer review, no ethical commity, no clinical training whatsoever. It is a pseudo therapy/science.
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  • Indepen... Israel 2011/06/11 20:17:27
    Independent Thinker
    Mmmml, obviously you know more about Scientology than I do. If your research is accurate and not skewed (because of personal bias) then yes, this belief system is problematic.

    You asked what my point was...personal attack? No, it was dialogue with an observation of what I read from you. Collaborating and exchanging ideas....is not an attack. It is conversation - gleaning from each other.
  • Israel Indepen... 2011/06/11 21:28:09
    Israel
    The Panarama programme is real in the UK. The chap involved with the programme who did the expose was the one they went after rather visciously. It was in all the papers. I may still have the CD somewhere. I have a psychology degree, and I know what bias is and no it is not personal bias. I speak from experience of the sect. Their leader was a scienfiction writer, Hubbard, who actually had no training as a doctor, psychologist or psychiatrist, or any other training for that matter. He said mental ill health was an abberation, nothing more. As for being thetans, I rest my case.
    Be wary of reading too much and beyond what someone is saying. If you are not sure of something, just ask. It saves many problems. :)
  • SJG 2011/06/11 10:59:26
    Yes
    SJG
    +2
    The title of "Parents" is more than they deserve!!!!
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/06/11 10:06:02
    Yes
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    While Parents have the right to their religion, children are too young to consent, legally they cant consent to religious beliefs, and no one has the right to force their religion upon you.

    However there is one problem I have with these sorts or rulings, this sort of ruling could lead to the courts deciding upon all medical treatments for a child, which can be a terrible thing when our healthcare system has become so corrupt.
    - so I only agree with these cases when the parent is completely negligent in caring for their child.
  • Inge 2011/06/11 09:38:48
    Yes
    Inge
    +2
    It's even a crime if you don't give your pets the medical treatment they need, they call that neglect. So if you fail to give your child medical treatment it's definitely a crime !
  • sheratan 2011/06/11 08:53:54
  • JAA sheratan 2011/06/12 17:09:09
    JAA
    Perhaps you were praying to a pagan god. That never results in anything good.
  • dm 2011/06/11 08:41:47
    Yes
    dm
    +1
    Yes.

    Some people are so brainwashed they cannot think for themselves and realize what is best.
  • Sahara 2011/06/11 08:29:33
    Yes
    Sahara
    They should be sterilised for neglecting their childs health like that http://www.realbollywood.com/...
  • I Wish I Were A Skywalker..... 2011/06/11 08:22:42
    Yes
    I Wish I Were A Skywalker... ~ In Television I Trust
    +1
    That girl could have died, and they were going to let it happen. They didn't give her a choice.
  • Sadisticon 2011/06/11 08:16:02
    Yes
    Sadisticon
    +1
    Ummm... yeah. Take your kid to a doctor. Take your imaginary friend to church.
  • metalmike13- Trust No One 2011/06/11 07:57:51
    Yes
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    +1
    I am atheist, but if god created everything, did he not create doctors as well for people to use? Just saying.
  • Israel metalmi... 2011/06/11 12:41:50
    Israel
    Yes, he did create doctors and helped the knowledge of them to heal the sick, but also for the sick to pray to him as well. You can do both and both are allowed with God. Nowhere did he or Jesus say you cannot see a doctor, or have to have faith alone.
  • metalmi... Israel 2011/06/13 05:13:50
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Yep. Take your kid to the doctor.
  • Israel metalmi... 2011/06/13 06:48:47
    Israel
    I would if I had one, but I do take my dog to the vet!! :)
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