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Are Democrats Ready To Lose White House Again?

JRenee~DTNS February 07, 2008 17:12:24

From Savagepolitics.com

The Intoxication of Inspiration

During the past few months we have been inundated with the constant Media coverage of the Democratic primary election. In the last few days in particular, the Mediums have beat us into accepting that Barack Obama is the most inspirational and motivating speaker that we have heard in a generation, comically echoing the claims of most Germans when they heard Hitler speaking at his rallies. The Republicans, on the other hand, have been curiously vocal about their perspectives regarding the election of their counterparts, pointing out their favoritism for Clinton’s candidacy over Obama’s, since he seems to pose a “dangerous” obstacle to their goal of taking back the White House. Simultaneously, Obama has picked up endorsements from a variety of Hollywood personalities in the likes of DeNiro and Stevie Wonder, along with Senator Ted Kennedy and Moveon.org, all of them an impressive collection of extremely liberal agents within the United States. Amongst our News Networks, it has only been the very Conservative FoxNews who has kept a mysteriously low keyed participation in this Obamathon that all Americans have been recently subjected to, giving a nebulous preoccupation to all of those who are educated enough to mistrust the Media. All the while, as history shows, collective idiocy has been proven to be contagious (look at the Bolshevic Revolution) and it’s spread has always been directly linked to the opposition’s ability to convince their enemies that they are “weak at the knees” and thus allowing them to quietly manipulate them out of an honest assessment of their chances. In this same tradition, we can understand what has happened to the Democratic Party, in which many of their members have taken the Republican bait without realizing that they have been intoxicated by a potent combination of a greedy Mainstream Media and a well organized ideological opposition, cleverly guiding these “drunk” Liberals into the polls of their doom. Will the Democratic Party ever learn the lessons from the John Kerry debacle?



Super Tuesday will probably answer most of our questions regarding the number of people that were duped by the Press and it’s agents. It is nonetheless true that even if Obama loses, the mere fact that he received such dramatic support demonstrates that most Democrats are suffering from a pathetic form of “lunacy”. Since before the John Kerry fiasco, Democrats have experienced the fierceness of the Republican/Conservative machine. They have stood idly by as they have been removed from the mainstream of American society by a group of religious dogmatists, who have claimed a choke hold on our Country’s sense of honor and decency. Thanks to them, most people in this Country believe that Democrats are completely out of touch with their Nation and with the world. Throughout the years, most Democratic candidates have proven themselves to be against the basic tenets of “middle American” values, such as the Right to Life, Right to National Defense, Right to Family, Defense of the 2nd Amendment, etc. Sadly enough for the Democratic hopefuls, Conservatives are right on all counts.



The Democratic Party has been hijacked by an extremely left wing element that has for years strangled the Party’s image when facing General Elections. Ironically enough, it was Bill Clinton (and his wife in many respects) who for a brief period of time was able to realign their Party to the “center” and finally gain the Presidency, most of it thanks to their sometimes quasi-Conservative views on government. But, after being in power for 8 years, and then out of power for 4, Democrats decided to pick a man who they thought was impermeable to attack: John Kerry. His nomination looked very promising since he had an “impeccable” military record, which seemed to benefit him amongst the Republican constituency, and also had good reputation amongst his fellow senators. He was also openly in favor of ending a very unpopular war (Iraq) and of immediately bringing the troops home. For this, he eventually received multiple endorsements from liberal newspapers, Hollywood stars, and many senators, even gaining the support of John McCain himself who once considered the possibility of running as his vice-President. What a lot of people don’t remember is that all of his candidacy was catapulted by the Conservative machinery many months prior to his nomination.



As people might remember, it was Howard Dean who was the apparent front runner of the Democratic Party, long before John Kerry started winning primaries. Dean’s charisma at the time was admired and his political positions where highly appealing to the Democratic base (even after his strange screams in Iowa). Nevertheless, the Republicans understood that the best person that they could run against would be a mild mannered man who represented the Northeast “elite”, and who had also opposed the war “from the start”, since they could better expose him as “weak on security”. They knew that even if John Kerry had voted for the war when he was in the Senate, he was still ideologically connected to Vietnam and the era’s anti-war movement. There was plenty of documentary evidence that Kerry had loudly opposed the war in the 1960’s and had actually criticized his military honors as a shameful reminder of the many American “abuses” and “crimes” against the Vietnamese people. Since Republicans understood Kerry’s past baggage, while most Democrats didn’t, Conservatives went about planting the seed of misinformation, appearing in multiple Media programs and injecting the idea that running against a “war hero” like John Kerry would be more troublesome for them than running against a “Liberal” like Howard Dean. After much work on all their parts, John Kerry was finally nominated, and thus the Conservative “factories” began their effective work of slowly chipping away all appearances of decency and honor that this Democratic candidate might have had. “Out of nowhere” the Swift Boat Veterans made their appearance, and effectively put into question John Kerry’s military record, something that most pundits thought would create a back-lash from their own base, but that eventually destroyed Kerry’s military qualities, which were what most people assumed was his strongest tool against George W. Bush. All of this was achieved thanks to the Republican misinformation campaign and the stupidity of the Democratic voters, who took their cues from the Media and of their own opposition. Let’s now fast forward to the present Democratic contest.



Barack Obama is now his Party’s rock star, all to the peril of Hillary Clinton and the other defunct Democratic candidates. Republicans have appeared in multiple shows and have “analyzed” their chances against Hillary Clinton or against Barack Obama. They have supposedly come to the conclusion that if Hillary wins the nomination, it will energize their base into winning the General Election. But, if they were instead faced with Barack Obama, his “inspirational” skills could achieve the scary possibility that many Republicans would either vote for him or stay home “uninspired”. Taking this lead, Democratic “strategists” have now repeatedly mentioned how Obama’s qualities would be difficult to attack by Republicans since he represents a “change” in American politics and is thus leading us out of the ugly realm of partisanship and into the wonderful world of “hope” and “unity”. Being struck with the same illogical fever, most Liberals underline the fact that Obama was against the war from the beginning and can therefore make a better argument to Conservative and Independent voters since he was “right” about Iraq all along. Does any of this rhetoric sound familiar? Are Democrats jumping into the same boat they sank in 4 years ago?



The answer is a resounding YES. In the social world, drunkenness may spell only embarrassment and the death of brain cells, but in politics, inebriation spells the easy manipulation of voters and their ideologies. Republicans know full well that Obama is an easier candidate to DESTROY than Hillary Clinton, because they understand that the problem with her is not that she is a “crazy Liberal” but that she is in fact a centrist. Her policies resemble in many respects most of the current Republican candidate’s ideas, and her personal appeal could take away a large group of Conservative women out of their fold. Barack Obama, on the other hand, has a lot of skeletons in his closet that are patiently waiting to be exposed, many of which involve a variety of illegal dealings with his contributor Tony Rezko and others. Conservatives also know that Obama’s assertion that he was against the war from the beginning may be a popular stance amongst Democrats, but to Conservatives (and many Independents) it is a clear sign of weakness in regards to National Security. Obama also has one of the worst legislative records in his Party, voting inconsistently and in a clearly convenient way throughout his very short career, all with the purpose of exalting his climb up the bureaucratic ladder. At other times, he simply voted erroneously by “pushing the wrong button”. Obama’s candidacy has also been endorsed by the most despised people on the Right (Ted Kennedy, Moveon.org, and Hollywood), all of them despicable enough to convince any Conservative to go out in the middle of a hurricane to ensure that their pick doesn’t get elected. Obama’s support of giving Drivers Licenses to illegal immigrants could also be described as the most out-of-touch policy perspective in today’s mainstream, which adds another motivation to drive most “border States” out of his reach and into the arms of the “despised” John McCain. Republicans have also studied the Democratic primaries’ exit polling, which most Democrats have apparently refused to analyze, and they have learned that most Blue Collar Americans (even Democrats) don’t support Obama, giving them a full edge in November, specially when you consider that their base is almost completely composed of this group. Then we have the issue of race, which has not only motivated most White and Latino Democrats to vote against Obama, but will also PASSIONATELY engage Conservatives to go out of their way to make sure that their Country’s traditions are not besmirched (the tradition of having a White President who physically and culturally represents the majority of Americans). For good or for bad, most people in Middle America fear the concept of a Black President, who would presumably allow rampant Affirmative Action to take hold, and who would supposedly extend the Welfare State to it’s highest levels. And, to top all of this with some “sweet frosting”, the Republicans have already began the development of a crypto-Muslim strategy, in which Barack Hussein Obama is painted as a Muslim in disguise, who is here to once and for all destroy our Nation from the inside (they have sufficient evidence to at least lay the seeds of probability).

All of the above strategy has been developed by the Republicans for the last couple of months, with the hope that they will once again entrap Democrats into voting for the nominee that THEY hope would run against them. They have already positioned (a very Liberal) John McCain as their candidate, so that they can have a greater chance of keeping the White House, if they are lucky enough to have him positioned against an inexperienced, racially divisive, and extremely liberal Democrat. Waiting to make their move, Conservatives are patiently standing by to see the results of Super Tuesday. If they get their dream ticket, they will once again be in a position to pull another “swift-boat” incident on the Democrats, who in their inebriated dismay, will once again shamefully lose thanks to the simplest form of manipulation known to mankind. Obama’s slogan of “yes we can!” will then be transformed into a firm “yes we are!” as the sad testament to their gullibility and intoxication takes hold of our Nation for another 4 years.

©2008 Jonathan Cifre, JD, of SAVAGE POLITICS. All Rights Reserved.
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  • -2 raves
    DELI May 24, 2008 01:27:20
    DELI

    No

    With Hillary being Toast, we will win with OBAMA!!!

    http://www.time-blog.com/swam...


    May 23, 6:02 PM (ET)

    By DEVLIN BARRETT


    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason to remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.
    "I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

    The episode occurred as Clinton campaigned in advance of the June 3 South Dakota primary.
    Responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race, she said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of abandoning the race.
  • +3 raves
    JRenee~... DELI May 24, 2008 15:54:16
    JRenee~DTNS
    I'll take your comment as a "yes."
  • +1 raves
    aace May 21, 2008 21:46:52
    aace

    Yes

    moderated...
  • +4 raves
    Mtnman May 05, 2008 00:05:13
    Mtnman

    Yes

    At the moment it looks like we are, since plenty of us have better sense than to vote for Obama. Hopefully Hillary will be on the ticket so we won't have to lose to the republicans.
  • +2 raves
    OBAMA THE TRAITOR April 26, 2008 05:45:29
    OBAMA THE TRAITOR

    Yes

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  • +1 / -1 raves
    metalmike13- Trust No One April 22, 2008 07:42:28
    metalmike13- Trust No One

    No

    Unless if the republicans can find a way to steal another election. What conservative, bible thumping, bill can they place on this years ballot to garner support from the conservatives as they did in 04 with the gay marriage crap. I got it, all nonchristians will no longer be allowed to marry, vote or own property. That is after all what the republicans do. Take away rights. Oh crap, they are monitoring my communication with an illegal wire tap. Is that the republican machine, I mean Homeland Security at the door. Ooops gotta go.
  • +2 / -1 raves
    OBAMA T... metalmi... April 26, 2008 05:47:24
    OBAMA THE TRAITOR
    moderated...
  • metalmi... OBAMA T... April 26, 2008 06:57:13
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Right now I am not proud of what George W has helped to create and foster in the United States of America. He has created and foster the Divided States of America. Namely -Red and Blue states. You just proved it. We all used to be one country, now the right wing narrow minded conservatives hate the left wing idiots.
  • +3 raves
    Robert metalmi... May 21, 2008 08:45:25 (edited)
    Robert
    It is the left wing idiots you so fondly refer to that have divided this country. These nutcases hardly existed in the public forum 20 years ago and before. During World War II, many of them would have been condemned for their anti-America, blame America first sentiment.

    George W. Bush has provided continued hope for what has made this country great. When the liberals get in power, the country will go into a downward slide it hasn't seen since the great depression.

    Wildly distorted emotion is not the character trait that is necessary to perform as President of the free world. Logic is. Liberalism is a disease... a mental disorder. Liberals need medical treatment...not the Presidency of the United States of America.
  • JRenee~... Robert May 21, 2008 14:11:39 (edited)
    JRenee~DTNS
    GWB has ALREADY taken a national surplus and raped our economy so that it sits on the edge of economic depression. We are there RIGHT NOW and the king's scepter still rests in his hands. By your own admission, Bush is getting out of office just in time to blame the mess he made on democrats. "Wildly distorted emotion" was, in fact, the reason we entered Iraq with shock and awe in the first place. The shock came when Bush invaded without international approval, the awe came when the world realized he had lied through his teeth to get there. If you truly believed in logic over emotion, you would have supported Gore.
  • +3 / -1 raves
    Robert JRenee~... May 21, 2008 14:29:59
    Robert
    Hogwash. Every word...nothing but liberal propoganda.

    Bush is an awesome President who has saved your ungrateful butt from another terrorist attack. The economy has been robust under Bush policy...and the stock market is still strong despite high gas prices -- the result of increased demand in China and India, along with the refusal of liberal lunys to allow drilling in Anwar and building of refineries, etc.

    "International approval" came in the form of 17 UN Resolutions, all of which spelled out specific "severe consequences." US action in Iraq was amply justified and had resulted in an ally in Iraq instead of rape rooms and mass murders and a dictator threatening his neighbors with a potential wmd which he used on his own people in the past.

    Liberalism is a disease.
  • +1 raves
    metalmi... Robert May 21, 2008 19:33:19
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Keep your head in the sand. If this ecomony is robust and George W is an awesome president, I would hate the see the worst a republican can offer. Yeah Bush is getting out of office just in time to blame everything on the Democrats so the repubs can take bake the White House in 2012.

    Go ahead and be one of the 12% in the country who support Bush, I do not care. Bush is a complete idiot. $4.00 gas. No jobs as they have all been shipped overseas. Housing market lower than it has ever been.

    I may be diseased because I do not drink the kool aid of the christian right, errr, republicans. One and the same.

    I guess you give up your freedoms to be protected by W. Screw W. Oh crap, Homeland Security was monitoring this transmission and is at my door because I dare disagree with W and his dictorial ways. Not to mention bigoted.
  • +3 / -1 raves
    Robert metalmi... May 21, 2008 20:19:57 (edited)
    Robert
    $4 gas is due to liberals standing in the way of drilling for oil in Anwar and off the SE coast...and standing in the way of building new refineries.

    The job market has been incredible under George W. Bush... VERY low unemployment and substantial job growth...in spite of liberal roadblocks like increasing the minimum wage.

    The housing market has had an enormous boom for many years under George W. Bush... the correction started about two years ago (about the time the Dems took over Congress, lol.).

    Your "homeland security was monitoring this transmission" is typical pathetic liberal emotional jibberish without any basis in fact.

    Your accusations of Bush being dictatorial and bigoted are just more emotional rhetoric without any basis.

    That is all liberals have... panicked emotional rhetoric without any logic or basis in fact. I rest my case.

    When you libs cannot deal with the facts presented in a logical manner, you always resort to name calling and using liberal poster child comments like "narrow minded" republicans. To a liberal, anyone who deals in facts instead of wild emotion without logic is narrow minded...regardless of how sloooow you say it. Liberalism is a disease.
  • metalmi... Robert May 22, 2008 05:07:36
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Fact of the matter is, I cannot ever be republican. I do not fit. First, I am not rich, so they do not care about the little people. Well, they only care about the little people who are evangelical because they can pull the wool over their eyes. They pander to them. Since I fit in neither category, I cannot be republican.

    BTW - George W is a bigot. He hates gays and that helped him get elected in 04 by saying he hates gays. Sure he did not say that exactly, but the meaning was plain.

    As for the job market, you are either retired and not looking or have been somewhere for a while. Trust me there are not jobs out there. Unless you like saying 'Would you like fries with that' or 'Welcome to Walmart'.

    You get upset when I say narrow minded conservatives, yet you claim ALL liberals have a mental disorder or disease, simply because they do not believe as you do. Get a freaking clue.
  • +1 raves
    old mccain Robert June 09, 2008 00:24:15
    old mccain
    Facts, ROBERT, please, you don't have CLUE what you are talking about nor what's going on ...........

    PS: BOY GEORGE thinks the latest unemployment rate is due to the college students ending for their summer semester.

    HE doesn't even know how the unemployment rate is factored (which is actually MUCH higher), nor does HE probably care.

    ENOUGH SAID -
  • +1 / -1 raves
    Duck metalmi... May 27, 2008 20:57:29
    Duck
    Google on "misery index" and select Presidents and you can see who were the failures. GWB has done fairly well given that we were attacked and had to go to war. I don't like everything he did or how he did it exactly, but he ain't all that bad. If you are referring to the Patriot Act, there has not been one case where the freedoms or rights of a US Citizen were affected, also keep in mind the Patriot Act was approved by Congress.
  • +1 raves
    old mccain Robert June 09, 2008 00:20:01
    old mccain
    god almighty, another closet person!

    BUSH'S approval rating is the lowest of ANY President. If he makes you happy, God forbid the rest of us.
  • +1 / -1 raves
    metalmi... Robert May 21, 2008 19:35:21
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    When W can put a corherent sentence together, than you can claim he has a little logic.

    You hate liberals. Got it. I hate narrow minded republicans. Than plain enough for you. Or should I say it slooooowwwwerr.
  • +2 raves
    Robert metalmi... May 21, 2008 20:23:59
    Robert
    Yet another ridiculous claim... George Bush has given hundreds of great speeches using very moving and quite logical ideas. Most recently, he was very eloquent in reminding us about the effect of liberal appeasement in foreign affairs, using WWII Hitler as a classic example...
  • +1 / -2 raves
    metalmi... Robert May 22, 2008 05:01:50
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Yeah he made an ass out of himself. Didn't even have the guts to admit he was talking about Obama.
  • +1 raves
    old mccain Robert June 09, 2008 00:18:00
    old mccain
    ......continued hope..." ? OMG !

    YOU IDIOT! We (USA citizens) ARE in a downword slop that hasn't been seen since the 'great depression."

    Are you in a closet or WHAT???????????
  • TheRich... metalmi... August 08, 2008 06:32:21
    TheRichZone
    you must get your news from NBC
  • metalmi... TheRich... August 09, 2008 07:48:49
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Yeah - NBC - for No Bush Cant. Never could do anything right.
  • ruby metalmi... September 06, 2008 04:02:33 (edited)
    ruby
    So all the rightminded narrow minded people should just shut up and let Liberal Democrats do what they want we will all get along?

    I think conservative talk radio has helped alot of right minded people to stop being quiet and try to bring this country back from the brink of becoming like Europe. I believe that alot of people were afraid to speak up for years becuase no one wants to be called racists, narrow minded, homophobic, intolerant, etc..Which was a way to keep all of these narrow minded people in check.
  • metalmi... ruby September 06, 2008 08:22:28
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Well, all the narrow minded people spoke in 2000 and 2004. What did we get? The worst president ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All because he opposed gay marriage. Oui vey.

    Fact is, some of these narrow minded people will not vote for Obama, simply because he is black. As for homophobes, there are way too many of them who cloak their homophobia in their narrow minded vision of what used to be a loving religion.
  • ruby metalmi... September 06, 2008 15:50:06
    ruby
    No worst president ever was Carter. In 2000 and 2004 did you look at the alternatives ? The Dems didn't have a chance, it was more of a vote for the least worse. You sound like a Bush hater pure and simple.

    But it is OK for Black people to vote for him cause just because he is Black?
  • metalmi... ruby September 07, 2008 07:02:41
    metalmike13- Trust No One
    Did I say that? No it is not ok for black people to vote him simply because he is black or white people not to vote for him simply because he is black. We both know there are white people out there who will not vote for him simply because he is black.

    It also was not ok for people to vote Bush simply because he was the one they would most like to have a beer with. Remember that nonsense.

    I am voting for him because I am a Democrat mostly and agree with them more then Republicans and their fear mongering.
  • +1 raves
    u funny April 16, 2008 23:07:25
    u funny

    No

    if oboma would drop out this would be over he knows a lot of people aren't going to vote for him
  • +1 raves
    concerned April 11, 2008 22:30:51
    concerned

    No

    they shall not loose because all there dirt is begin air now
  • +3 raves
    Jodi April 06, 2008 23:04:58
    Jodi

    Yes

    I am a democrat who will be voting for John McCain if the Democrats nominate Obama. The rest of my family intends to stay home and not vote, but in my opinion that isn't enough punishment for being so stupid.
  • -2 raves
    mysterywriter April 01, 2008 18:04:57
    mysterywriter

    No

    Barak Obama will CRUSH McShame!
  • +1 raves
    Jodi mystery... April 06, 2008 23:11:53
    Jodi
    Look at the polls in the battleground states. Obama is not ahead now. Run 527 ads all summer which prove his lack of patriotism (remember his opposition is a WAR HERO) and he will be the one who is CRUSHed. He thinks he can pull off FL or OH? PA and NJ? MO? Win the Southwest when he's running against someone from the Southwest and Obama wants to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants? Win MT (what's his stance on gun control?) If the Dems nominate Obama, they SO deserve to lose!!
  • +1 raves
    Smashmouth March 31, 2008 18:07:00
    Smashmouth

    Yes

    If they don't understand how the process works, they will lose again. Obama has the delegate support to win the primary no doubt. What they need to do however is look at the states he's won. Southern states with a very small dem population. He can win those states delegates to win the primary but in a general election he cannot win states that are less than 25% democrat total population. In the states with large electoral vote counts Hillary has won. In the general election that is what puts you in the White House, not delegates from small dem populated states.

    Obama better hope the super delegates do not do the math because the support he has could flounder if Hillary continues to win the states that win the White House. If not it will be Al Gore all over again.
  • -2 raves
    pitbull March 23, 2008 09:36:29
    pitbull

    No

    I am actually scared if the election is close because the dems will scream bloody murder and cause another debacle like the 2000 mess - I pray that McCain, even though I really don't like him 100% wins in a land slide to prevent disaster in more ways than one
  • +3 raves
    Jodi pitbull April 06, 2008 23:18:30
    Jodi
    Well, I'm a dem and you don't have to worry about me! Given all of the facts, if Obama is his competition, I expect McCain to win enough electoral college votes by the time the polls close on the west coast. We'll all be able to go to bed early that night and know that the President Elect is John McCain. Tell all the Obama groupies that popular vote does not win the White House, nor should it.
  • -2 raves
    giggums da-man March 23, 2008 03:24:45 (edited)
    giggums da-man

    Yes

    with hilllary endorsing Mccbush "HELL YEAH" she is down right dirty wont stop at nothing just to win the nominee. what do expect from a menopause the older the more cynical.
  • +1 raves
    JRenee~... giggums... March 23, 2008 12:47:57
    JRenee~DTNS
    I expect Senator Clinton will continue to do what she has done for the entirety of her life. Get up every morning looking for ways to make life better for sexist Americans such as yourself.
  • -2 raves
    pitbull giggums... March 23, 2008 17:49:41
    pitbull


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    Carolyn March 23, 2008 02:49:41
    Carolyn

    Yes

    You have a good handle on this political engagement!
  • -2 raves
    pitbull Carolyn March 23, 2008 17:49:55
    pitbull


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