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Another Conservative Conspiracy Bites The Dust.

luvguins 2012/09/21 23:31:52
Seems the Republicans just can't win with their witch hunts and smears.

By Kevin Drum:


This week the modern conservative id took center stage when Mitt Romney was caught on video telling a bunch of wealthy donors what they wanted to hear: that the poor are a bunch of lazy parasites who refuse to take personal responsibility for themselves. Coincidentally, the same week another bit of the conservative id reached the end of its road. I'm talking about their obsession with Fast and Furious, the gun-walking operation in Arizona that Republicans have been in a lather about for the past two years.


There's not much question that Fast and Furious was a cockup. ATF agents wanted to track guns that were being sold to Mexican drug cartels, but poor planning, idiotic infighting, and a tangle of laws that got in the way of arresting obvious gunrunners produced little but chaos. Thousands of guns ended up in Mexican hands, one of which was eventually used to kill ATF agent Brian Terry. Katherine Eban wrote the best take on the whole sorry affair three months ago in a long piece for Fortune called "The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal."


But this was never enough for Republicans. Rep. Darrell Issa, the Republican attack dog who was the point man for congressional hearings into the affair, insisted that Barack Obama was using Fast and Furious to "somehow take away or limit people's Second Amendment rights." This was pretty much the party line in the fever swamps of the right: It wasn't just a local mess, it was a carefully planned operation from Eric Holder on down to set the stage for a massive new effort to take away people's guns. As Ann Coulter explained things, Fast and Furious put guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels "to strengthen liberals' argument for gun control…Innocent people dying was the objective of Fast and Furious, not collateral damage."


On Wednesday that all came crashing down when Michael Horowitz, the Department of Justice inspector general, finally released his lengthy report on the operation. Horowitz is no Democratic hack. As Time's Massimo Calabresi reminds us, "Horowitz managed to impress the House GOP in briefings over the past week, and the report itself was met with support from all quarters…Issa himself called Horowitz and his report 'courageous.'" But there's more:



What none on the right are admitting is that Horowitz's report systematically reveals how irresponsible and speculative the accusations from their side have been. The report criticizes Holder's Criminal Division chief Lanny Breuer for failing to inform Holder or his deputy that "gun walking" had taken place in the Bush administration in another case in Arizona called "Wide Receiver." But the report shows that Breuer knew nothing about gun walking in Fast and Furious, and that therefore the scandal existed three levels below Holder (let alone the White House)…As for the source of the false statements to Congress, Horowitz finds they were the result of inaccurate reassurances given to Breuer’s deputy Jason Weinstein, by the U.S. attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke.


…Horowitz destroys the conspiracy theories on both sides of the aisle over 471-pages, but it’s the right wing screamers who come out looking worst. Horowitz shows definitively that the Arizona ATF agents and prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s office there were responsible for the operation, not the White House or the Justice Department in Washington and that the primary source of the inaccurate testimony given to Congress was the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, Dennis Burke.


For over a year, it's been an article of faith on the right that Fast and Furious was a carefully constructed scheme directed by the White House to trash the Second Amendment and build support for more gun control laws. It wasn't. Neither the White House nor Eric Holder had any idea what was going on. It was just a local operation that was badly botched. This makes Fast and Furious offically yet another lunatic conservative conspiracy theory that has bitten the dust in the cold light of reality.

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  • flaca BN-0 2012/09/21 23:36:06
    flaca BN-0
    +13
    Republicans have botched many things but to them that's OK. This going after Holder is just pure politics. The people aren't buying it. The repubs ignored evidence that the CIA were tearing their hair out over before 9/11. They kept on and on to get the WH to listen but they wouldn't They(the Bush admin) had the biggest eff up of all time.

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  • Dan der... luvguins 2012/09/25 02:31:40
  • luvguins Dan der... 2012/09/25 04:26:09
  • Dan der... luvguins 2012/09/25 04:40:02
  • joseph ... luvguins 2012/09/24 05:35:15
  • luvguins joseph ... 2012/09/24 12:13:38
    luvguins
    +1
    Too bad the cons can't ever accept constructive criticism as they are all brainwashed by Faux News and WorldNutDaily.
  • joseph ... luvguins 2012/09/25 01:50:16
  • joseph ... Dan der... 2012/09/24 05:32:08
  • luvguins joseph ... 2012/09/24 12:15:59
    luvguins
    +2
    It is typical always going to their fictional book. Didn't Jesus throw the money changers out of the temple?
  • joseph ... luvguins 2012/09/25 01:48:32
  • r-w-wako 2012/09/22 03:49:45 (edited)
    r-w-wako
    +1
    "Seems the Republicans just can't win with their witch hunts and smears."...?

    It's the left that has been chasing it's tail trying to pin something on Romney. Even though they resort to spreading rumors, lies, red herrings and strawman arguments, they can't get anything to stick.

    What most conservatives were concerned about on the F&F; issue was getting at the truth; something that Holder (and Øbama) seemed bound and determined to squelch at every turn.

    F&F; wasn't a conservative conspiracy, nor was it a theory. It actually happened. And, if it happened under the noses of Holder and Øbama and they didn't stop it the instant they found out about it or weren't willing to come clean with what they did know when it was being investigated... shame on them. They deserve to take the heat.
  • luvguins r-w-wako 2012/09/22 05:28:10
    luvguins
    +6
    We don't have to find anything on Romney. Willard just opens his mouth and out comes insanity.

    The conspiracy was Issa and the GOPs witch hunt and they got busted.
  • r-w-wako luvguins 2012/09/22 14:25:02
    r-w-wako
    Sample of "insanity", please.
  • Guru_T_... r-w-wako 2012/09/22 13:43:17
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +4
    With Mitt shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis, all the left really has to do is stand back and watch him self-destruct.
  • r-w-wako Guru_T_... 2012/09/22 14:23:35
    r-w-wako
    With Øbama shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis, all the right really has to do is stand back and watch him self-destruct.

    I mean... c'mon...
  • Guru_T_... r-w-wako 2012/09/22 16:38:17 (edited)
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +2
    You're a good little parrot. I can see why the GOP likes uneducated people like you. You're weak-willed, under-educated and easily-led. You're going to be very disappointed on November 7th.
  • r-w-wako Guru_T_... 2012/09/22 22:31:38
    r-w-wako
    You're a good little cockroach. I can see why the Do-more-craps like people like you. You're a cheap date...you'll swallow anything.
    What are you... psychic? If you know how I'm going to feel on November 7th, do you know what I'm getting for Christmas; how 'bout some winning lotto numbers; hey, who's gonna win the Super Bowl?
  • luvguins r-w-wako 2012/09/22 22:37:24
    luvguins
    +2
    Hmm, guess you're not seeing the handwriting on the wall. loser. It is so over for Miserable Mitt. No miracles available.
  • r-w-wako luvguins 2012/09/22 23:17:29
    r-w-wako
    keep whistlin'...
  • luvguins r-w-wako 2012/09/22 23:24:12
    luvguins
    +2
    Thanks as I'll really be whistling 11/6, and you won't.
    whistling
  • r-w-wako luvguins 2012/09/24 01:35:41
    r-w-wako
    Got any lotto numbers you'd like to share...? grillteef
  • Guru_T_... r-w-wako 2012/09/22 23:13:47
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +2
    Sorry, only Republicans and RWNJs like you can be truthfully called cockroaches. You guys always scatter when the truth is brought out.
  • r-w-wako Guru_T_... 2012/09/22 23:16:33
    r-w-wako
    Oh, don't apologize, Comrade, because that would make liberals less than cockroaches. (bed bugs...?)
  • Guru_T_... r-w-wako 2012/09/22 23:30:26 (edited)
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +3
    I'm sorry you're such a moron. I'll never apologize for voting for the best candidate, wacko. You uneducated right-wingers have had it. The GOP and their candidates are toast and you guys are the crumbs.
  • joseph ... Guru_T_... 2012/09/24 05:40:43
  • Guru_T_... joseph ... 2012/09/24 17:53:10
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +3
    I'm not worried. He's not bright enough to out-hack an old programmer like me.
  • joseph ... Guru_T_... 2012/09/25 01:52:28
  • luvguins joseph ... 2012/09/24 18:05:36
    luvguins
    +2
    I think someone in mangement staff is helping them by giving out full names and missing profile info. Happened to me.
  • joseph ... luvguins 2012/09/25 01:53:14 (edited)
  • Guru_T_... luvguins 2012/09/25 03:59:55
    Guru_T_Firefly
    That wouldn't surprise me a bit.
  • Georgia50 2012/09/22 03:02:55 (edited)
    Georgia50
    +4
    Sorry libs. It's a catch-22. Either Holder was himself criminally negligent in the Fast And Furious affair, or he was aloof and negligent as US Attorney General and quite literally let his underlings get away with murder.

    No one is arguing that Obama and Holder traveled to Arizona to personally animate Fast And Furious. It's quite well understood that the misguided program was executed by lower level personnel.
  • luvguins Georgia50 2012/09/22 05:29:27
    luvguins
    +6
    Sorry but absolved of any knowledge. You lose.
  • Georgia50 luvguins 2012/09/22 14:13:03
    Georgia50
    Feel free to point out any facts I misstated.
  • luvguins Georgia50 2012/09/22 19:05:03
    luvguins
    +3
    You stated an opinion that the investigation does not back up.
  • Georgia50 luvguins 2012/09/23 00:32:43
    Georgia50
    I stated an opinion that stands with or without the investigation. Holder is captain of the ship, if not Obama.
  • luvguins Georgia50 2012/09/23 01:08:45
    luvguins
    +2
    Absolved in the investigation = Fact.
  • Georgia50 luvguins 2012/09/23 01:33:43
    Georgia50
    It has not been established that these or any investigators have the prerogative to assert that Holder is anything but fully responsible and accountable for that which occurs on his watch--with or without his knowledge. It has not been established that these or any investigators have the prerogative to assert that Obama is anything but fully responsible and accountable for that which occurs on his watch--with or without his knowledge.

    Those two self-evident facts guide my opinions.
  • luvguins Georgia50 2012/09/23 02:08:15
    luvguins
    +2
    Duh, perhaps you should read the report before you mouth off.
  • Guru_T_... Georgia50 2012/09/22 13:45:01 (edited)
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +4
    Please join us in reality someday.

    ticket to reality
  • Georgia50 Guru_T_... 2012/09/22 14:13:37
    Georgia50
    Ha! you funny guy
  • Guru_T_... Georgia50 2012/09/22 16:39:16
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +1
    The offer still stands. When you're smart enough, please join us in reality.

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