And so I totally agree. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. This is what happens ever time our government oversteps it spending and had to cut back. They gut the military first. Next they will be gutting out 2nd amendment rights.

by Patriot Unit Posted 2012/01/07 20:18:39

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Proposed Defense Cuts Run Risk of Repeating History, Officials Warn

irish -liberty or death! 2012/01/07 20:21:25

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its the military and its grossly bloated budget that broke the govt pocketbook!
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Quazimoto 2012/01/09 17:08:23

Please start gutting our 2nd amendment rights. Freedom is not free.

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Charles R. Anderson 2012/01/09 05:02:20

Some defense cuts are justified, but while defense is the primary constitutional power of the federal government, it is now only 19.3% of government spending. That is not an historically high percentage of the federal budget, unless your window of history is made very small indeed. What is clearly the primary cause of our broken government spending record is non-defense spending, primarily entitlement spending. The costs of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are going up and up and it is absurd to ignore them as the primary problem. ObamaCare makes the problem of spending still worse.

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wtw 2012/01/08 05:44:35

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The libs think that socialism works when it always fails everywhere it has been tried but they still try to force it down our throats. Oh that is right they call it progressivism now! That makes all the difference in the world? Ha!

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Think Free 2012/01/08 05:32:12 (edited)

The Lockheed Martin F-22 program cost over $66 billion, and one F-22 costs $150 million each, with a total ordered of 183. After 2 wars, it still has been used ..twice. Double dose of hypocrisy from anyone claiming to be a pro-defense yet financially conservative. Need worry about our own damn shores. That thing is the ace of spades, and we have even more, nobody's seriously gonna mess with us.. Osama's dead; It's over. Wean off foreign oil so no need to protect supply routes. Returning soldiers get first pick on new infrastructure jobs and domestic sustainable energy projects, rebuilding our manufacturing base and some eventually working there, or somewhere else, seeing as INsourcing would be the new thing, and it all would work on improving our economy.

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Welshtaff 2012/01/08 00:37:27

AMEN !

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Bella 2012/01/08 00:15:27

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This is good news. We don't need all that money going to military any more. The Iraq war is over and Libya was taken care of without any US troops on the ground.

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templer003 2012/01/08 00:12:01

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If we just stop trying to be the worlds police force, and stop trying to bully everyone else, we could cut spending and still have a proper defense for our country,
Of course that would also mean electing people who would honor the Constitution, obey the law's and bring America back to what our founders wanted us to be...at peace with the rest of the world, fair trade with those who would trade fairly with us, and freedom to live and make out of life what we could....Morals, ethic's, & honor are missing in our once great country from the top down...When will we return and can we return ???

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Patriot Unit 2012/01/08 00:00:34

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Who gives a damn what other countries spend on their defense. You can't have a good defense if you don't keep it that way. The point is, that every time our government gets us in a financial bind. Instead of cutting the spending, and fixing the problems, they start gutting our military. At a time that it is needed. Even though you liberal SOB's don't care.

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Cyan9 to Patriot... 2012/01/08 01:30:49

How are we gutting the military?

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mich52 2012/01/07 23:56:14

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Military spending is bloated and wasteful. If the waste could be eliminated there wouldn't be a need for cuts. The biggest problem is defense spending is a big employer too. Its a double-edged sword....

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Cliff 2012/01/07 23:10:36

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In 1963, military spending was about 50% of all federal spending. Today it is at about 20%.

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Cyan9 to Cliff 2012/01/08 01:34:59

One the USSR doesn't exist anymore, Two it's only 20% of the budget if you count Medicare and SS which were not huge chunks circa 1963. We spend more in real dollars today than we did then.

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Patriot... to Cyan9 2012/01/08 22:20:38

And instead of stopping all the wasteful spending, and the fraud in all programs, agencies, and departments. We always start cutting the amount of ships in our navy, or programs and personal. Never cutting from all the other government over spending programs, The government continues to spend, borrow, or give away the hard earned money that our citizens who work pay more and more of. The government, keeps taking, and giving, but never stops looking for some other worthless program to tack on to the thousands and thousands of those already on the books.

Everybody say the USSR is gone, true, but that does not means that they can't rise again, with the corruption that goes on in Russia today. They say Osama is gone, so don't worry. But who's to say there are not many more like him waiting in the Islamic world, just waiting to strike at us. People say, bring our troops home from Europe, and South Korea, and to not support our allies. Let the terrorists of the world, do as they please, with Israel, the Middle East, Asia, Central and South America. North Korea, Iran, the Far East or Indian region. Just open our borders, and let Mexico take over. Stop supporting Israel and let the terrorists take over.

I know that the words "Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States" d...

And instead of stopping all the wasteful spending, and the fraud in all programs, agencies, and departments. We always start cutting the amount of ships in our navy, or programs and personal. Never cutting from all the other government over spending programs, The government continues to spend, borrow, or give away the hard earned money that our citizens who work pay more and more of. The government, keeps taking, and giving, but never stops looking for some other worthless program to tack on to the thousands and thousands of those already on the books.

Everybody say the USSR is gone, true, but that does not means that they can't rise again, with the corruption that goes on in Russia today. They say Osama is gone, so don't worry. But who's to say there are not many more like him waiting in the Islamic world, just waiting to strike at us. People say, bring our troops home from Europe, and South Korea, and to not support our allies. Let the terrorists of the world, do as they please, with Israel, the Middle East, Asia, Central and South America. North Korea, Iran, the Far East or Indian region. Just open our borders, and let Mexico take over. Stop supporting Israel and let the terrorists take over.

I know that the words "Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States" does not mean much to many of your in this country. But it mean a whole lot to me. And if should mean just as much to those of you that call yourselves citizens of this country.
Ones Oath of office at whatever level of government should mean just as much as the same oath that anybody in the military takes.
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Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/01/07 22:36:52

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We pay no attention to history because we doubt its veracity.

When our ancestors left us written records of life during their time, we either choose to call them The Bible or we actually change the events to reflect ourselves in a more positive image.

So I would guess that one day, if the records of our generation are found and deciphered I'm sure that the readers will be wondering if we made up stories (I'm referring to the Bible) and laughing at us for saying we went to the moon.

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Patriot... to Louisa ... 2012/01/08 00:02:58

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What does the Bible have to do with the Defense of this Republic, I don't base our countries history on the Bible, or any religion. And I don't base it on those who would change the history to fit their views of it.

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Louisa ... to Patriot... 2012/01/08 00:29:18

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Is this not in your question? "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."

We DO NOT pay any heed to history! Why should we? It isn't accurate. It isn't without bias.

"And I don't base it on those who would change the history to fit their views of it." And how would you know that? It's all subjective. And I wasn't suggesting that there was any connection between the bible and defense.

So calm down and take a pill. You'll feel better.

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Patriot... to Louisa ... 2012/01/08 01:12:36

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LOL. was just steering the pot some. Got several more comments didn't we. i totally agree with you. We don't pay attention to history. Not even after those who would change it have done so.

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Louisa ... to Patriot... 2012/01/08 02:07:20

lol....sorry. I'm a person of good nature.......but obama has changed my disposition. I'm rarely on Sodahead that I'm not agitated by what I'm reading. I didn't mean any disrespect.

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Rob. 2012/01/07 22:35:44

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This Pres,whats his name oh yea Obama ,2013 good by.

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Greywolf 2012/01/07 22:29:56

Sadly our history was rewritten so many have no clue. To those who have latched on to the dollars spent on defense vs that of other nations....why not also consider force strength? how many more troops and materials do these other nations have to our own combined or is the army of china enough to show this difference for ya?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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Patriot... to Greywolf 2012/01/08 00:00:27

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You don't base your defense on the amount other countries spend, nor do you try to match their strength one on one. We did not win WW II, or the Cold War by doing that. The Radical Islamic world if just as bad as any other that wants to control the world.

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Greywolf to Patriot... 2012/01/08 04:41:37 (edited)

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I was not trying to imply we have to meet or exceed. I was just trying to point out how spin can be used to get people to think the way desired vs truth. In most conflicts our force strength was weak but in time was built up & that allowed success along with the desire to win. As far as radical Islamist abroad I think we need to cut that cancer out, we also need to get those within our borders

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britbiker 2012/01/07 22:10:19 (edited)

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What is it going to take to wake up Amreica another Peart Harbor?

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Patriot... to britbiker 2012/01/08 00:03:28

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Or another 9/11

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Angry Congressman 2012/01/07 21:22:47 (edited)

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It's funny that all of us realize this, yet our leaders don't.....

I guess we'll learn the lesson again /facepalm

http://www.politicalbuddies.com

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goatman112003 2012/01/07 21:08:52

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This is a repeat of 1937 when the Navy was refused appropriations to fortify Guam which the Japanese took as a sign of weakness and unwillingness to fight.

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beachbum to goatman... 2012/01/07 21:10:48

Good point.

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KingdomNow 2012/01/07 20:58:33

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The current regime has no idea how an economy works, has no clue what drives industry, has denied that socialism always fails and has the flawed belief in the infallibility of government.

Oh, yeah, I told you so.

We'll see if the American voter has learned anything.

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PoliticallyIncorrect 2012/01/07 20:39:49

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Obamass is putting us exactly where he and his money-men want us.

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Wolfman 2012/01/07 20:34:25

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We should be expanding our military. China is expanding theirs and they have an aircraft carrier in sea trials.

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Patriot... to Wolfman 2012/01/08 00:04:53

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Exactly

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Cyan9 to Wolfman 2012/01/08 01:28:52

We currently have 11 Aircraft carriers in service, 1 in reserve and 3 under construction. the PRC currently has one being built. Not only do we have more carriers in service than the rest of the combined, our smallest carrier will be 1.6 times the size of the one being rebuilt by the Chinese navy. The Chinese carrier is not expected to be finished until 2015 at least. How exactly is China's half built carrier a threat?

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Wolfman to Cyan9 2012/01/08 07:25:55

Actually, the ChiComs have two carriers in-work; one is in sea trials. The ChiComs have an Army roughly 1.7x the size of ours. They are expanding their armed forces; air force, army, and navy. The reason that a carrier is important is that this is a new carrier. We have three in construction because our fleet is constantly retiring ships due to age. China's navy is playing an important role in the country's drive to become a world military power, with the recent trials of its first aircraft carrier underlining the scale of Beijing's naval ambitions.

China has become increasingly assertive on the high seas and the carrier's first outing last month sparked jitters in the United States and Japan, which said the move would have a "big impact" on the region.
http://economictimes.indiatim...

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Cyan9 2012/01/07 20:33:01

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Not exactly sure how we gutting the military.

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mich52 to Cyan9 2012/01/07 23:34:21

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Nice counter but sadly Cons. are to ignorant to comprehend facts...

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Beccy 2012/01/07 20:29:14

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I do think we could cut our military in half and still be able to defend our country

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Wolfman to Beccy 2012/01/07 20:35:35

What analysis have you done that leads you to this conclusion.

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MadAsHEck to Beccy 2012/01/07 20:36:44 (edited)

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We already have gone from a fleet of nearly 700 ships, to less than 300. Our entire military is reduced over the past 6 years. Most pf our fleet is comprised of Reagan Era ships, in need of maintenance and repair more often.

While the Threat to our homeland is increasing. Iran sending Subs to patrol off the east coast, Iran built missile bases in Venezuela armed with missiles that are capable of reaching the USA easily. Iran buyong Russina Cargo Container Missile systems that are undetectable till they launch. China as well on the west coast. Both developing EMP devices that could shut the country down in minutes with virtually no deaths or property destruction.

What folks do not realize is to survive you better be Badder than the Bad guys. And folks, the Bad guys are after us. And they are getting stronger every day, and we are getting weaker every day.

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beachbum to MadAsHEck 2012/01/07 21:12:14

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Best offense is a good defense.

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MadAsHEck to beachbum 2012/01/07 21:17:38 (edited)

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Well we are losing our offensive advantage to the bad guys, and those in this thread are supporting it.

Even to the point that they think our defense budget is the entire economic problem. It is the least of our economic problem, and pretty much the only one supported by the constitution.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the government should spend a trillion dollars a year on Social programs. Which is what that graph proves.
And then there is the debt clock:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Add together the items in the upper left versus the Defense spending.

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