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America becoming a police state?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/15 17:47:29
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The US Air Force fights crime
An MQ-9 Reaper. Will the Air Force use a plane like this to fight crime in America? Will the police use it?

An MQ-9 Reaper hunter-killer drone in flight (2007). Photo: United States Air Force.


Robert Johnson, summarizing for Business Insider,
shares how the Air Force got into the crime fighting business. He
begins with a new law that authorizes the Air Force to build and fly
30,000 drones (“Unmanned Aerial Vehicles”) in American skies. Then he
cites this briefing that came to him from InfoWars and The Drudge Report. The briefing does not baldly say that the Air Force may spy on Americans without their permission. But if it takes a picture by accident of an ordinary American citizen or lawful resident, going about his business, it may keep that picture for months. And it may share it with the local police.


Judge Andrew P. Napolitano was, as anyone could imagine, apoplectic.


Bureaucrats gave themselves the authority to [take pictures] of us in the privacy of our backyards.


The judge pointed out that the Constitution
and several federal laws forbid the Air Force to do any of this. He’s
right, of course. This violates “freedom and security of the person”
under the Fourth Amendment. If watching someone in his back yard is that
urgent, says the judge, get a warrant! Warrants are easy to get, especially under exigent circumstances.
Any judge knows that sometimes probable cause takes on a new meaning if
the police have good reason to suspect that someone is going to kill
another person, for example. Crime need not rule to respect civil
rights.


Napolitano could have cited the Posse Comitatus Act
of 1878. It says that military service members do not fight crime on
American soil. Nor do they help the local police, unless other laws let
them do this. Any officer who does break this law can go to prison.
Surely that would apply to flying drones over American cities. (Or it
should. Judge Napolitano fears that Congress will “look the other way,”
as it did when the putative President sent the Air Force and Navy to
Libya.)


Local police fight crime, and make a hassle

Yesterday, Richard Cohen wrote in Investors Business Daily
about another side to crime fighting. Michael Bloomberg, the Mayor of
New York, has ordered the New York Police Department to “stop and frisk”
people, seemingly at random, for weapons. In his city, only a police
officer, military service member, or other person with very special permission, may carry a gun. Mayor Bloomberg knows the old proverb:


If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.


So he decided to take the guns away from the outlaws. To do that, he
must stop and frisk people. Most of these people are minorities, because
that is where the crime happens. So Bloomberg claims 5600 people who
did not die from an act of murder since he became mayor. But
the mayor also admits that New York’s Finest stopped 685,724 people and
took away 780 guns.


Cohen admits that Bloomberg has brought results:


New York City is largely crime free…, and that, as the
number-crunching mayor is glad to tell you, is central to a robust
economy. Whole areas of the city have risen from the dead. Stores have
opened. People stroll the streets. The sound of a car alarm is almost
nostalgic and the handmade sign to save thieves the bother — “No Radio” —
is seen no more. New York is a vast movie set.


But, says Cohen, the price might be simply too high. Mayor Bloomberg
beat crime. But is his city a police city-state? How attractive is that?


Two ways to fight crime

Any society can fight crime in one of two ways. It can have the
police anywhere and everywhere, looking into anything and everything it
pleases, when it pleases. That costs money to hire the extra cops and
have them run down often fruitless leads. It also deprives everyone of
the liberty that the Constitution guarantees to everyone.


The second way is to let the targets harden themselves.
Today the stores are open, and people stroll the streets, only because,
if they don’t have a gun, neither does the next guy. Suppose instead
that would-be criminal and target were each as likely as the other to have a weapon. The result would be the same.


An armed society is a polite society.


It also costs far less to keep it polite. And it leaves people free to be their own masters. That
is what the Constitution means by “secur[ing] the blessings of liberty”
for the people who wrote it, and the generations to come.


Sadly, too many people have chosen the first way to fight crime. That
is why Judge Napolitano took alarm. Have the people turned their
society into a prison as the price for removing the gangsters and the
petty thieves and murderers? Which is the better model for fighting
crime? Is it New York of 2012? Or might it be Coffeyville, Kansas, in 1892? The answer might well say whether we are free, or slaves.

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  • Theresa 2012/05/15 18:05:59
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    Theresa
    +19
    The Police State is almost complete. Spying on the citizens from Cameras everywhere. Following your fiscal transactions, Listening in on your communications, the militarizing of the police. Foreign Troops in our cities. The TSA to search you when you try to travel. Checkpoints being set up on our interstates. The IRS removing your ability to leave the country with any sort of money. Also removing your passport if you owe something to the bankers.

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  • Adrint 2012/06/22 02:32:14
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    Adrint
    +1
    Becoming? The united States IS a police state.
  • EllЕ 2012/05/17 22:55:21 (edited)
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    EllЕ
  • nverumind 2012/05/16 21:57:47
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    nverumind
    +1
    we live in a country where our Gov uses military and police power to dominate the people mentally and physically.
    The Media is no longer a source of truth or reliable information, but is used rather to sway the masses in the desired direction on topics, political strategy, or distraction from real issues.
    The U.S. has been moving toward a total police state since about 1913; but in 2012 was completed with the passage of the National Defense Authorization Act, NDAA.
    Extention of Patriot Act
    NDRP
    The president says it himself... "civilian military force" .. FOR What?? certainly doesnt look like its for protecting citizens, more like controlling them and forcing compliance
  • Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
  • Wake The Sheeple 2012/05/16 19:48:44
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    Wake The Sheeple
  • BlueRepublican 2012/05/16 19:26:40
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    BlueRepublican
    +2
    Thanks Temlakos. I appreciate the info and your work.
    Sometimes I feel that Americans won't really 'wake up' until there is a camera in their house, or a chip in their body or an armed guard in front of their house.
    Anyway, I love Judge Napolitano and miss him on Freedom Watch.
    New York is safer now, but you have no rights. Tough one eh?
  • RogerRover 2012/05/16 17:49:28
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    RogerRover
    +3
    Unconstitutional intrusion. When we refuse to police ourselves, we invite policing. However..this is a blatant violation of privacy and can only end in complete erosion of personal freedom.
  • William 2012/05/16 16:42:37
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    William
    +1
    Now if they just had internment camps for the resistance. No, wait! ...
  • jr 2012/05/16 16:00:29
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    jr
    +2
    A police state is the worst government that can be concocted
  • voice_matters 2012/05/16 15:19:12
    Undecided
    voice_matters
    more of the same lib scare tactics
  • mich52 2012/05/16 14:30:11
  • ronbo 2012/05/16 13:57:50
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    ronbo
    +4
    Much of what the government does anymore isn,t done for our protection but for control.And we the sheeple keep letting them go further and further until we have no freedom ,no rights, and no privacy.
  • Rebel Yell 2012/05/16 13:37:48
    Undecided
    Rebel Yell
    +4
    Becoming a police state? How long have you been under that rock?

    Do you carry a cell phone? If so, the police can track you through mobile without a warrant. Whether your phone is on or not, they will know were you go to the doctor or when you went to your kid's game. How does that happen? Mobile phone networks collect a different type of data that wire land lines don't. They can monitor a phone's location continuously.
  • Ukie 2012/05/16 12:21:41
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    Ukie
    +4
    The Big Government violations of the Constitution continue at record pace as the slippery slope sliding towards TYRANNY moves at light speed. Meanwhile the dumbing-down of America is increasingly SOP as complacent and un-thinking people accept what is fed them by the the left-wing media and political machine as the calculated dumbing-down of America continues!!
  • aahhhhhhh 2012/05/16 07:20:36
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    aahhhhhhh
    +3
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  • jool 2012/05/16 06:04:41
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    jool
    +4
    This just seems wrong!
  • Bucky 2012/05/16 05:53:09
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    Bucky
    +1
    What goes around comes around!

  • Cal [SH-TEA] 2012/05/16 04:48:36
    No. We need to take these measure to fight crime and terrorism.
    Cal [SH-TEA]
    +1
    I have absolutely no problem with it. None at all. Sorry everybody else...
  • D D Cal [SH... 2012/05/16 10:13:25
  • shadow76 2012/05/16 03:45:51
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    shadow76
    +3
    I will not voluntarily sacrifice liberty for a false sense of security! Especially since the biggest threat we face IS OBAMA!
  • Wahvlvke 2012/05/16 02:55:09
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    Wahvlvke
    +6
    This is totally unacceptable.
  • caius madison 2012/05/16 02:52:04 (edited)
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    caius madison
    +4
    It is obvious. Why is this a question. It wasn't and hasn't been out of the news since all this crap about fighting Terrorism started. It's just a huge political vehicle on which all these fraud's ride straight into power because we believe anything they say. If they said (and I say this to stress how ignorantly afraid we've become) that a turd on a stick was caught wearing explosive underwear in the JFK airport today, we'd immediately tape our asses shut and ban popsicles from our households. The thing is, we had far crazier oposition in past ages (Fidel, Gadhafi) and they did not manage (though they constantly attempted) to ever really break our country's defenses. You better ask with open ears and eyes how did September 11th happen? Why no history of ever being thwarted, then all of a sudden, we lose two of the most recognized structures pn our shores, as well as a ridiculous amount of Americans out of no where? No one who claims to be intelligent can possibly buy that.
  • RJ~PWCM~JLA 2012/05/16 01:36:10
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +8
    The problem is that all the left-wing morons are all for this, because it's being done by a radical left-wing president. If it were being done by a Republican the Has-been Media would be editorializing the crap out of it.
  • D D RJ~PWCM... 2012/05/16 10:15:02
    D D
    +2
    You are correct. If Bush was doing this, OMG!
  • RJ~PWCM... D D 2012/05/16 11:41:14
    RJ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Oh man, you bet!!!
  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/05/16 01:33:05
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    +4
    We are already there, drones over America just completes the picture...
  • Theresa John Ga... 2012/05/16 15:49:14
    Theresa
    +1
    Exactly and these drones are fed all the targeting data from the census. Remember the census painted every dwelling in the US so the drone's missiles will only hit your house and not your neighbors!
  • lee 2012/05/16 00:44:33
    Yes. These practices violate the Constitution and several applicable laws.
    lee
    +2
    this needs to be stopped... no more social influence on our Constitutional freedoms from the right wing military industrial complex.
  • Theresa lee 2012/05/16 15:51:37
    Theresa
    +2
    You are wrong this is not a Right Winged anything. This is a totally Left winged which you are too blind to see. Look Right winged wants less gov't get it out of our way. This is not less gov't this is most gov't. That is a Left winged idea.
  • John Ga... Theresa 2012/05/16 18:35:35
  • Theresa John Ga... 2012/05/16 18:49:49
    Theresa
    +1
    That is because the Progressives are in both parties. Progressives want more gov't control of your life! that is the only measure you need. Does it involve adding to the gov't?
  • John Ga... Theresa 2012/05/16 19:05:10
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    +1
    Freedom is always less government...
  • Theresa John Ga... 2012/05/16 20:01:32
    Theresa
    +1
    Exactly! but there is a thing called too much freedom and that is anarchy.
  • lee Theresa 2012/05/16 18:41:56
    lee
    No doubt that D's vote to fund the MIC too, but when you look at which side has the most hawks and which side has the most to lose from cutting military spending... its the R's

    just saying, they are not equal and the bias is clearly on the right.
  • Theresa lee 2012/05/16 18:47:24
    Theresa
    +1
    No you are making a mistake in thinking the Hawks are right winged just because they are republicans. They are for more gov't. That is not a right winged idea. The divide is not Republican and Democrat. It is does they advocate for more gov't or less gov't.
  • lee Theresa 2012/05/16 19:00:23
    lee
    i want more gov doing things for the PEOPLE...

    and

    i want less gov doing things for the CORPORATIONS...


    I don't want to get RID of government... (or drown it in the bathtub, as Grover says).


    its not about the SIZE of gov, its about what the gov is DOING.
  • Theresa lee 2012/05/16 20:03:41 (edited)
    Theresa
    +1
    No you do not understand what ever gov't is doing it is always acquiring power. LIke Thomas Jefferson said about Gov't it is a necessary evil but a Force of Nature, as such it can become a fearsome Master.
  • lee Theresa 2012/05/16 22:00:23 (edited)
    lee
    the GOP — by allowing extremists to roam free and by wielding the filibuster to achieve government dysfunction as a political end in itself — were demonstrably more culpable for creating what is approaching a crisis of governance.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    lets change this...vote D
  • Cliff 2012/05/15 23:41:15
    No. We need to take these measure to fight crime and terrorism.
    Cliff
    +1
    American culture is growing more coarse and more police are needed.
  • Delicio... Cliff 2012/05/15 23:43:41
    Delicious Crab Meat
    +2
    But they need to behave and respect the rights of the people.

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