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America already has single-payer healthcare?

Jwalden --- Constitution Party October 11, 2009 18:27:34

Medicaid patients are 50 percent more likely to die after heart bypass surgery than those with private insurance http://www.urbancure.org/article.asp?id=3175
If you want to know about government healthcare, you don't have to look to Great Britain or Canada. Just look at our own at-risk communities where 60 million Americans are currently on a single-payer government system called Medicaid. The result: 40 percent of physicians won't accept Medicaid patients. 65 percent of physicians say their reimbursements don't cover their costs of treatment. When admitted to a hospital, those on Medicaid are far less-likely to survive than those on private care. According to one study, Medicaid patients are 50 percent more likely to die after heart bypass surgery than those with private insurance. States put final decisions in the hands of state bureaucrats, not in the hands of doctors. In the face of overwhelming evidence that government healthcare means rationing or substandard care, shouldn't we want less of it, not more?

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    • Brian Kemp October 12, 2009 12:48:51
      Brian Kemp
      Not that I'm going in for support of single payer, but aren't Medicaid patients less likely to be eating and living healthy lifestyles because healthy is expensive? Wouldn't that contribute to survival rates?
    • Civic_Minded October 12, 2009 04:38:14
      Civic_Minded
      The truth is right in front of us, folks. See it and believe it or risk everything! Star Parker is telling the simple, honest truth!

      To force doctors into government-run health care is to make them like indentured servants who will never be able to practice medicine as they believe is best again. No wonder so many want to retire or change professions.
    • Formulabruce October 12, 2009 04:02:17
      Formulabruce
      This sucks, my future....
    • jams October 12, 2009 01:54:29
      jams
      Not a bad point, Jwalden.
    • Racefish October 12, 2009 01:49:01
      Racefish
      Don't forget the VA system and Medicare. All suck.
    • Beccy October 12, 2009 01:39:32
      Beccy
      I work with medicaid patients everyday. They usually go to clinics. They are less likely to go to the doctors because they don't realize that something is wrong. Diet is usually poor because they live in AFC homes or have very little left after paying for the basics. It takes much longer for some reason for the doctors to find out what is wrong.
    • Mark October 12, 2009 01:20:59
      Mark
      That is no suprise. The only way the fed came keep healthcare cost down is to limit what they pay. The Baucus plan has one purpose and that is to cause a further rise in healthcare cost so that a single payer trigger kicks in. They are rushing an insurance plan that won't start until 2012. The Baucus bill has so many taxes on healthcare related services there is no way they can reduce. Baucus recieves way too much from the healthcare industry to be involved with writing a bill that will control that big a part of our economy
      ./ related services reduce baucus recieves healthcare industry involved writing economy
    • Dwight Mann October 12, 2009 00:48:21
      Dwight Mann
      And it is not all that great. . .
    • Magic Kid October 12, 2009 00:44:31
      Magic Kid
      Right on! And don't we know this intuitively just from understanding of how government and bureaucrats work? The problem with this statistic is that Medicaid patients are already 'under cared for' initially making their probability of survival when they finally get the 'cure' less likely than those cared for over a period of time previous to the decision. And the final blow to these hapless Medicaid patients is that a bureaucrat is 'taking care of them'. These are faceless people 'caring' for faceless people - they could hardly care less. And this will be the standard after the government takes over. God help us all.
    • safari October 11, 2009 23:53:21
      safari
      And I agree with this premise - but would like to add, I definitely don't want less that is going to cost more! For the 831 billion it is supposedly going to cost, why don't we just buy those who truly can't afford it health insurance for less money and call it a day. That has to cost less! Not that i want to do that either but this whole thing is getting to be ridiculous.
    • Israelite October 11, 2009 22:15:59
      Israelite
      this shows what kind of govt program we will get, oh boy sign me up .
    • lina October 11, 2009 21:06:46
      lina
      If people are dead the would not cost the government anything anymore.
    • plowboy October 11, 2009 19:24:53
      plowboy
    • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... October 11, 2009 19:13:20
      Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
      I have worked for several different companies and had several different insurance companies. I have never been denied care or denied payment for those things covered by my policy. Unfortunately, I have had several serious surgeries and never, ever had a problem with any insurance company. Now will they cover a complete make over to Brooke Sheilds or Cindy Crawford - no

      If we want reform, #1 we need to start with corruption in Medicaid and medicare and we do not need a bill in congress to do that tomorrow morning.

      #2 TORT reform - we already have Mississippi and Texas as test cases to look at the strides they have made. Mississippi is furthest along.

      #3 remove the barriers to competition by allowing companies to compete nation wide, these folks that want 'competition' should allow it

      #4 Nation wide risk pools for pre-existing and the uninsured with companies spreading the % of risk according to their size so that large companies bear more of the risk than the smaller ones. Using # of currently insured is a good way to distribute risk but there are others. #5 Free or low cost clinics in depressed areas for help to those truely destitute. Medical personnel could receive 'credit' for student loans via this system while giving care at the same time.

      And lastly,...
      I have worked for several different companies and had several different insurance companies. I have never been denied care or denied payment for those things covered by my policy. Unfortunately, I have had several serious surgeries and never, ever had a problem with any insurance company. Now will they cover a complete make over to Brooke Sheilds or Cindy Crawford - no

      If we want reform, #1 we need to start with corruption in Medicaid and medicare and we do not need a bill in congress to do that tomorrow morning.

      #2 TORT reform - we already have Mississippi and Texas as test cases to look at the strides they have made. Mississippi is furthest along.

      #3 remove the barriers to competition by allowing companies to compete nation wide, these folks that want 'competition' should allow it

      #4 Nation wide risk pools for pre-existing and the uninsured with companies spreading the % of risk according to their size so that large companies bear more of the risk than the smaller ones. Using # of currently insured is a good way to distribute risk but there are others. #5 Free or low cost clinics in depressed areas for help to those truely destitute. Medical personnel could receive 'credit' for student loans via this system while giving care at the same time.

      And lastly, no one should be forced to have coverage if they do not want it but it should be affordable for all with vouchers for those who cannot pay. Vouchers they can take to any company as they shop for the best plan for them. Yes, there would be huge competition for those vouchers. If your goal is competition - then do something that actually helps the nation grow.

      Somewhere along the way, people decided that they were entitled to complete coverage for every visit, every check-up, and every single thing they wanted. That is one of the things that has driven up costs for everyone. What really needs to be covered is catostrophic care, surely we can all assume some responsiblity for our own health care. Also the non-compete contracts - Bush administration tried to get congress to pass the use of competition on medical equipment (wheel chairs etc) and congress (in their infinite wisdom ) refused - what year?? 2007-8 - So I have no trust that this same congress has any interest in reform at all. Their bills are about government control of health care. No more and no less.
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    • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... October 11, 2009 19:04:11
      Hula girl - Friends not Followers
      Having dealt with hospitals over my mothers care...I know all too well what medicare takes care of.

      The medicare patients in the nursing homes get the budget rooms with multiple people in a room that does not include the same as those paying in the other part of the nursing home.
      That's the same as the UK faces in all their hospitals. People are in Wards...not private rooms unless they are super sick. No private TV's in the rooms, you have to go down the hall and watch in the tv room just like many nursing homes have. Forget it if you don't get alone with those in the room and want to watch something else.
      What does a TV have to do with health care? Plenty, as it helps relax people to take their worries away from their health or possibly dying and the stress factor does make a difference how fast someone heals.
    • GANGA~VIKING PATRIOTIC REVO... October 11, 2009 18:55:01
      GANGA~VIKING PATRIOTIC REVOLUTION
      Good post and so true! WE certainly don't want that type of healthcare that will cause more health problems and leave people dead or disabled.
    • diaverde08-MolecularGastron... October 11, 2009 18:52:49
      diaverde08-MolecularGastronomer
      That's probably because Mdicaid patients tend to be older.
    • ☛☺☹Ω✈♠©✏☤☚ October 11, 2009 18:52:21
      ☛☺☹Ω✈♠©✏☤☚
      I wish we were a single-payer period. Americans know what Obama is proposing for health care reform , that's why the majority of Americans support it whether you disagree or not.
    • DON'T FOLLOW ME October 11, 2009 18:38:52
      DON'T FOLLOW ME
      I will stick to my own Insurance
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