Allen West says about 80 Democrats in Congress are Communists, and that Barack Obama fears having to debate him. Do you agree with West?

by tncdel Posted 2012/04/12 12:46:25

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Space Invader 2012/04/12 13:43:14

YES [explain why you think so].

+8
Barack couldn't tie West's shoes...West is a man's man; Obama is a wuss......Michelle likes her men that way....
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Plantgypc 2012/04/12 15:08:24

YES [explain why you think so].

+3
Go to you tube and look at West's speeches. She how he speaks without a teleprompter. She what a great leader he is.

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my2cents to Plantgypc 2012/04/12 22:23:14

A great leader would know the difference between socialism and communism. West clearly doesn't.

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Plantgypc to my2cents 2012/04/13 01:06:29

+1
Hitler was elected on a platform of socialism. Do you think someone who makes $100,000 a year should give his money to someone who doesn't?

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my2cents to Plantgypc 2012/04/13 02:06:47 (edited)

Hitler was not a communist. Hitler was a fascist. Nazism was Germany's brand of fascism.

West is incorrect in saying socialists are communists. He's doing it for hyperbole, not for accuracy. He knows the majority of his base doesn't know the different either.

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Plantgypc to my2cents 2012/04/13 03:59:16

http://voices.yahoo.com/commu...

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my2cents to Plantgypc 2012/04/13 21:11:07

You'll have to do better than an anonymous op ed by a RWNJ. Snidely Whiplash? Seriously?

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Plantgypc to my2cents 2012/04/14 02:52:46

Google it yourself

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tncdel to my2cents 2012/04/13 15:43:43

The two are politically inter-connected. "Pure" Marx communism was adapted by the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics [U.S.S.R.]. Apparently you're unable to distinguish textbook to real-world applications as West is able to do.

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my2cents to tncdel 2012/04/13 21:12:07 (edited)

Just like the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is a DEMOCRACY, right?

Has to be, the name says so!!

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Tasine 2012/04/12 15:04:56

YES [explain why you think so].

+4
Yes, because I have a list of them. I don't really know if they are socialists or communists, but it doesn't matter as socialism is merely the first act of communism. Here's the list:

The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.
This admission was recently posted on Scribd.com:

American Socialist Voter–
Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?
A: Seventy

Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?
A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez,
Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].

Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?
A: See the listing below

Co-Chairs
Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members
Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members
Hon. Neil Abercrombie...

Yes, because I have a list of them. I don't really know if they are socialists or communists, but it doesn't matter as socialism is merely the first act of communism. Here's the list:

The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.
This admission was recently posted on Scribd.com:

American Socialist Voter–
Q: How many members of the U.S. Congress are also members of the DSA?
A: Seventy

Q: How many of the DSA members sit on the Judiciary Committee?
A: Eleven: John Conyers [Chairman of the Judiciary Committee], Tammy Baldwin, Jerrold Nadler, Luis Gutierrez,
Melvin Watt, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Steve Cohen, Barbara Lee, Robert Wexler, Linda Sanchez [there are 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee of which eleven, almost half, are now members of the DSA].

Q: Who are these members of 111th Congress?
A: See the listing below

Co-Chairs
Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members
Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

House Members
Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)
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Zuggi to Tasine 2012/04/12 15:40:18

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You do realize that list is of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and has nothing to do with the DSA?

If you go to the scribd page and compare it to an actual DSA newsletter, you find it looks nothing like them. Incidentally, that scribd page claims the source is from a website, but if you go look at that website on the Wayback Machine, you'll notice that no such list was ever on it.

It's a fake.

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Space I... to Zuggi 2012/04/12 16:04:29

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This is an alphabetical list of all members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus(CPC) as of April 2011:Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Xavier Becerra, Earl Blumenauer, Robert Brady,Corrine Brown, Michael Capuano, Andre Carson, Donna Christensen, Judy Chu, David Cicilline, Yvette Clarke, William “Lacy” Clay, Emanuel Cleaver, Steve Cohen, John Conyers, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Rosa DeLauro, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison (co-chair), Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Bob Filner, Barney Frank, Marcia Fudge, Raúl Grijalva (co-chair), Luis Gutierrez,Maurice Hinchey, Mazie Hirono, Michael Honda, Jesse Jackson Jr., Sheila Jackson-Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Hank Johnson (whip), Marcy Kaptur,Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, David Loebsack, Ben Ray Lujan, Carolyn Maloney, Ed Markey, Jim McDermott, James McGovern, George Miller, Gwen Moore, Jim Moran, Jerrold Nadler, Eleanor Holmes Norton, John Olver, Frank Pallone, Ed Pastor, Donald Payne, Chellie Pingree, Jared Polis, Charles Rangel, Laura Richardson, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby Rush, Linda Sanchez,Bernie Sanders (CPC’s lone Senator), Jan Schakowsky, Jose Serrano, Louise Slaughter, Pete Stark, Bennie Thompson, John Tierney, Nydia Velazquez, Maxine Waters, Mel Watt, Henry Waxman, Peter Welch, Frederica Wilson, and Lynn W...

This is an alphabetical list of all members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus(CPC) as of April 2011:Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Xavier Becerra, Earl Blumenauer, Robert Brady,Corrine Brown, Michael Capuano, Andre Carson, Donna Christensen, Judy Chu, David Cicilline, Yvette Clarke, William “Lacy” Clay, Emanuel Cleaver, Steve Cohen, John Conyers, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Rosa DeLauro, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison (co-chair), Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Bob Filner, Barney Frank, Marcia Fudge, Raúl Grijalva (co-chair), Luis Gutierrez,Maurice Hinchey, Mazie Hirono, Michael Honda, Jesse Jackson Jr., Sheila Jackson-Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Hank Johnson (whip), Marcy Kaptur,Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, David Loebsack, Ben Ray Lujan, Carolyn Maloney, Ed Markey, Jim McDermott, James McGovern, George Miller, Gwen Moore, Jim Moran, Jerrold Nadler, Eleanor Holmes Norton, John Olver, Frank Pallone, Ed Pastor, Donald Payne, Chellie Pingree, Jared Polis, Charles Rangel, Laura Richardson, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby Rush, Linda Sanchez,Bernie Sanders (CPC’s lone Senator), Jan Schakowsky, Jose Serrano, Louise Slaughter, Pete Stark, Bennie Thompson, John Tierney, Nydia Velazquez, Maxine Waters, Mel Watt, Henry Waxman, Peter Welch, Frederica Wilson, and Lynn Woolsey.For a list of noteworthy former members who left the CPC prior to April 2011,click here.Read more: http://www.discoverthenetwork...

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Tasine to Zuggi 2012/04/12 16:08:48

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No, I realize no such thing. I think I know that all involved would like me to believe they are not actually socialists, but if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I think I am safe calling it a duck.

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Zuggi to Tasine 2012/04/12 16:26:18

Alright; have fun in your fantasy world.

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my2cents to Zuggi 2012/04/12 22:25:32

Tell Tasine that West called them communists. Socialism and communism are not the same thing, unless one is a RWNJ.

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Zuggi to my2cents 2012/04/13 00:53:47

Nor are Communism and Progressiivism.

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my2cents to Zuggi 2012/04/13 02:07:38

Unless one is a RWNJ. We now know what West is.

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tncdel to Zuggi 2012/04/13 15:46:20

No, you're wallowing in yours, then "transferring" your own perspective to others.
West is a real-world pragmatist. In the real-world no such animal exists as "pure communism."

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Zuggi to tncdel 2012/04/13 16:32:21

You're correct that no such thing as pure communism exists. When did I claim it existed?

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my2cents to Zuggi 2012/04/12 22:24:20

Also, socialism and communism are not the same thing. The U.S. deserves a leader that knows the difference.

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tncdel to my2cents 2012/04/13 15:48:29

Textbook definitions only make such delineations. But in real-wolrd applications the two are inter-connected. Just like how political experts have labeled the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republic [the U.S.S.R.] as COMMUNIST.

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my2cents to tncdel 2012/04/14 03:06:36

Again, is the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea a DEMOCRACY?

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Bill 2012/04/12 14:41:51

YES [explain why you think so].

+5
I'd love to see West and the Golden Child have a little chat

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my2cents to Bill 2012/04/12 22:27:38

West was scared to run against Obama, that's why he declined though his party was BEGGING him to run.

West also knows the President only debates the nominee, so he's just pulling a Palin.

All talk, no action.

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micha77 2012/04/12 14:39:28

YES [explain why you think so].

+4
The Congressional progressive caucus embraces the elements of communism. These are the "Rats" we should be concerned with. That's the DemocRats.

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LisaSmith 2012/04/12 14:31:11 (edited)

YES [explain why you think so].

+7
And the funny part is the people in the unions and old time democrats don't even realize that their party has been taken over.

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Sport_Geoff 2012/04/12 14:02:33

YES [explain why you think so].

+3
Socialist Party of America:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Communist Party Endorses Obama For 2012

http://nation.foxnews.com/pre...

The communist party's endorsement has to be considered as an acknowledgement that Obama is close in ideas and policy to the communist party ideas and policy position.

I think there is most likely many "closet socialist and communist" from both parties involved in the above organizations.

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Red_Horse 2012/04/12 14:00:44
gfreeman BN-0 2012/04/12 13:58:18

NO [tell us why not].

I disagree because West's brain is the same material as his head, concrete block.

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All American 2012/04/12 13:51:26

YES [explain why you think so].

+4
On the communist count it wouldn't surprise me. Maxine "Under" Waters already said she wanted to nationalize oil companies. On the other, I'll bet Obama would dread debating West. His side can't play the race card when Obama gets his ass kicked.

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Quintessential Brother The ... 2012/04/12 13:50:37

NO [tell us why not].

+1
Why would the President waste his time debating a crazy person and yes West is crazier then cat $hit!

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Mike 2012/04/12 13:47:14

YES [explain why you think so].

+3
Reid is one of them

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Space Invader 2012/04/12 13:43:14

YES [explain why you think so].

+8
Barack couldn't tie West's shoes...West is a man's man; Obama is a wuss......Michelle likes her men that way....

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Tasine to Space I... 2012/04/12 15:07:37

+1
Are you sure Michelle likes men?

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Space I... to Tasine 2012/04/12 16:01:05

+1
good point!!

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my2cents to Space I... 2012/04/12 22:29:15

West is afraid to run against Obama, which is why he declined.

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lstl5 2012/04/12 13:40:50

NO [tell us why not].

+2
Allen West is one of the most deplorable congressmen in office, and needs to be ousted.

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Stacie to lstl5 2012/04/12 14:26:53 (edited)

+11
Allen West is nothing short of a Hero. He has put his life on the line more than once for his country, it's citizens, as well as his fellow soldiers.

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lstl5 to Stacie 2012/04/12 14:28:48

+2
He is a low life who was relieved of duty. Do you know how low you have to go in the military to get that kind of punishment? He is a disgrace to his fellow congressmen and women.

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Stacie to lstl5 2012/04/12 14:48:18 (edited)

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My father served 3 tours in the Vietnam War and remained in the US Army for 32 years before retiring. So, in response to your question, I am fully aware of the type of punishments that are given to soldiers.

You are correct in stating that he was forced to retire early for the interrogation incident.

However, I believe his punishment was way overboard for what occurred.

He was given information from a reliable resource that an ambush of his soldiers was being planned. One of the key suspects in the planning of the ambush was brought in to be questioned. West had never been involved in an interrogation before and was not even in the room during questioning. When the suspect would not fold, West took out his firearm, put it close to the suspect and fire a round in to the wall. That is the only thing he did, and considering the fact that the ambush was thwarted after the interrogation, I'd have to say that the end justified the means.

The following quote sums up West's devotion to his soldiers -

"If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."

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