All of my Ron Paul friends you will probably be upset with me...............

by Teri- Oregon Posted 2012/06/11 01:23:25

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Please watch the video first than read the bottom of this post, thank you.

If Ron Paul does not get the Nomination I will not be writing him in. I will not support Romney or Obama, I will be voting for Gary Johnson. Everything I have read about him make me believe that he follows the same beliefs as I do of Liberty and Freedom. I know this will make a lot of you angry with me and probably UN-friend me but I have put a lot of thought into this. The libertarian party has done good this year making sure that their candidate gets on all 50 state ballots. So if we can get enough people behind Gary Johnson it is possible to still get a liberty minded individual in the white house this year. If Ron Paul is unable to get the nomination at Tampa I will be voting for Gary Johnson.

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Wake The Sheeple 2012/06/11 01:31:55

OK, I can see where you are comming from!

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I am pondering the same thing. You aren't alone.
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DeeB to ConLibF... 2012/06/12 21:52:16

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That Maci girl to Savior. Is that what you were talking about? Never mind I thought you were calling her disgusting. They took her reply off up above.

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ConLibF... to DeeB 2012/06/12 22:12:26

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Thanks, all I know is she is a twit!

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ConLibF... to Savior 2012/06/12 04:17:39

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There is only one party dude. They sure have you fooled.

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Savior to ConLibF... 2012/06/12 10:38:48

I'm not fooled, I think we can change things but not without the so-called "sheeple" on our side, and we just believe in differing ways to make that happen, one is pull them out of the system, the other is reform the image, I'm on the reform the image side.

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ConLibF... to Savior 2012/06/12 11:37:49

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I have no idea what you mean by reform the image.

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Savior to ConLibF... 2012/06/12 14:05:31

Make the mainstream of the Republican party more liberty minded

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ConLibF... to Savior 2012/06/12 16:14:40

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Get a big lunch dude! That ain't gonna happen! There is only one party and they are criminals and they love how you think! Wake up!

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Savior to ConLibF... 2012/06/12 17:12:44

And how do you expect changing things from the outside of the gang?

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ConLibF... to Savior 2012/06/12 17:17:17

During this entire primary more of our rights have been taken away with more proof that the DRCP is just a criminal organization. I say it's time for We The People to take matters into our own hands starting with a nationwide tax revolt, stop paying all bank loans and implement a national plea for our military to come home and rescue their country and put up a fence around DC and call it the National Penitentiary. Then put all of them and their bankers on trial and punish them for treason.

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9th of 9 2012/06/11 11:03:35

OK, I can see where you are comming from!

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That would be the plan in my book anyway. Sure as hell will not be voting Romney or Obama. As for Rand Paul... Piss off.

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WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB 2012/06/11 10:38:09

OK, I can see where you are comming from!

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I can understand that.

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Maci 2012/06/11 06:15:50
Savior to Maci 2012/06/11 12:26:22

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What is it you like most about Obama? (not-Republican isn't an answer)

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Maci to Savior 2012/06/11 17:36:51
Savior to Maci 2012/06/11 20:28:05

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in other words you are A-Okay with government spending. Sorry but the Keynesian worldview is an unsustainable practice.

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Maci to Savior 2012/06/11 20:40:47 (edited)
Teri- O... to Maci 2012/06/11 20:57:47

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you realize Keynesian is referring to his economic policies right?

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Maci to Teri- O... 2012/06/13 01:29:06
Maci to Maci 2012/06/13 01:32:53 (edited)
Maci to Teri- O... 2012/06/13 01:48:24 (edited)
Maci to Teri- O... 2012/06/13 01:55:08
Savior to Maci 2012/06/11 21:05:20

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The believe of Keynesians is that spending ALWAYS helps an economy.

And during recession they turn to government to increase spending. However they don't have a legitimate game plan, only thinking spending will save us. No matter how much debt we encounter.

Well without a game plan (what i'm referring a balanced budget) the debt will become a mountain, that has limited ways to be overcome.

1. Raising taxes (which I will reserve my judgments), but once taxes reach 100% is that still a mixed economy? Now taxes are no where close to 100%, but eventually debt will become so high that it will be a necessity.

2. Devaluing the dollar, now part of the Keynesian belief is that the value of paper money is determined by the people that produce and that's why they are okay with excessive printing. I have one word to say to those who believe we can print money forever: inflation. So maybe we can pay off our debt by printing money, however at what cost, the very people the government claims to be helping will be harmed because they couldn't afford anything.

3. Cutting spending, the one I suggest the most, but the one's Keynesians are so against because spending is the bread and butter of their ideology.

So here are the outcomes of Keynesian practices (when it comes to government spending)

So...

The believe of Keynesians is that spending ALWAYS helps an economy.

And during recession they turn to government to increase spending. However they don't have a legitimate game plan, only thinking spending will save us. No matter how much debt we encounter.

Well without a game plan (what i'm referring a balanced budget) the debt will become a mountain, that has limited ways to be overcome.

1. Raising taxes (which I will reserve my judgments), but once taxes reach 100% is that still a mixed economy? Now taxes are no where close to 100%, but eventually debt will become so high that it will be a necessity.

2. Devaluing the dollar, now part of the Keynesian belief is that the value of paper money is determined by the people that produce and that's why they are okay with excessive printing. I have one word to say to those who believe we can print money forever: inflation. So maybe we can pay off our debt by printing money, however at what cost, the very people the government claims to be helping will be harmed because they couldn't afford anything.

3. Cutting spending, the one I suggest the most, but the one's Keynesians are so against because spending is the bread and butter of their ideology.

So here are the outcomes of Keynesian practices (when it comes to government spending)

Socialism/Communism (Taxes will be so high to pay for the spending that is won't even be a mixed economy anymore)

Hyperinflation/Deflation/Stag... (Because printing money already causes inflation)

Return to laissez faire, or atleast a lessened government presence

Even Keynes said "in the long run, we're all dead"
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Teri- O... to Savior 2012/06/11 21:08:57

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I think she thought it meant they were saying he was from Kenya? lol

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Savior to Teri- O... 2012/06/11 21:22:02

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she mentioned economics.

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Teri- O... to Savior 2012/06/11 21:33:50

wasn't sure because she called you a birther, lol

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ConLibF... to Maci 2012/06/12 04:20:44

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Do you have any clue how much your impostor resident has spent?

How convenient to forget this ...

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Zak Smith 2012/06/11 06:04:10

OK, I can see where you are comming from!

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I love Ron Paul, but with the chances of him getting the Republican nomination being so slim, I am already in Gary Johnson mode.

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DeeB to Zak Smith 2012/06/11 11:09:26

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That's even slimmer don't ya think? We fought like hell to get where Paul is right now over many years. Johnson is a newbie and hardly anyone even knows his name not to mention he's a libertarian. Just saying!

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Dan ☮ R... to DeeB 2012/06/11 11:24:51

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I think he's referring to the ballot access issue. Even if Ron ran as an independent he would not have access in states with "sore loser" laws.

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DeeB to Dan ☮ R... 2012/06/11 11:52:17

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I'm talking about writing him in. The message we have been spreading is Pauls, it makes no sense to turn around and vote for someone else. I can't believe you are all throwing in the towel not only on the man but on his message.

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Dan ☮ R... to DeeB 2012/06/11 13:18:36 (edited)

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I dont know what I'm going to do right now, because of recent events.

Many of us need time to think of what we will do. Its not as simple as to sticking with Paul 100%. We need to stand behind liberty, and stand by those that support it. We need to not forget that Paul is just a focal point of something much bigger, and a battle that has been going on since this country's inception.

If Paul wants to continue being that focal point and fight to the death for us, then I'll fight to the death for him. But I need to know where he stands now. I need to know what he is thinking and his reasons for his actions.

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DeeB to Dan ☮ R... 2012/06/11 14:54:40

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That's fair. At least you are thinking and not running off and changing everything in a flash, unlike some people.

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Teri- O... to Dan ☮ R... 2012/06/11 17:17:48

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Okay everybody, I am not jumping ship, there is a lawsuit that is trying to free up all delegates. If this happens than there is a chance we can still win him the nomination, however if he does not get the nomination or does not run third party I will be voting third party and going with Johnson who will ask Paul to be his VP so we could still get Paul in the office. Writing Paul in will get us nowhere other than to prove we aren't fighting for an idea we are fighting for a man. It was never about Ron Paul, it was about freedom and Liberty he was only our spokesperson.

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Teri- O... to DeeB 2012/06/11 17:17:40

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Okay everybody, I am not jumping ship, there is a lawsuit that is trying to free up all delegates. If this happens than there is a chance we can still win him the nomination, however if he does not get the nomination or does not run third party I will be voting third party and going with Johnson who will ask Paul to be his VP so we could still get Paul in the office. Writing Paul in will get us nowhere other than to prove we aren't fighting for an idea we are fighting for a man. It was never about Ron Paul, it was about freedom and Liberty he was only our spokesperson.

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DeeB to Teri- O... 2012/06/12 11:38:55

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With all due respect, you are dreaming. Ron Paul is the Revolution and has been working his whole life in congress trying to change it. If you think Gary Johnson has a chance in hell, think again. You should be working to get Paul in and Gary as HIS VP. It will be hard enough for Paul to do all that he wants to do when he takes that seat, what do you think a virtual unknown could change? Besides this is something you should have waited to talk about after the convention, don't ya think?

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Brian ☮... to DeeB 2012/06/11 23:30:46

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Writing anyone in for the presidency, in any state in America, is just throwing that vote away, because of the way the laws concerning the electoral college are structured. Even if everybody in the country voted for Ron Paul as a write in candidate, he couldn't be elected, precisely because of those idiotic laws.

The only other viable options to the liberty Paul espouses, would necessarily have to come from a third party candidate, ALREADY on the ballot.

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holly g... to Brian ☮... 2012/06/12 03:26:08

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In all 50 states.

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DeeB to Brian ☮... 2012/06/12 11:45:45

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Okay, that may be true. The only reason I have been in politics for the past 5 years is because of Ron Paul and I don't want anyone else but him. I never voted before and probably never will again because I will not vote for evil.

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Brian ☮... to DeeB 2012/06/12 16:25:57

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It's not about the person, it's about the message of liberty. I've been a libertarian since the early 70's. Hell, I voted for Ron Paul when he was the libertarian candidate in 1988, and his consistent message is the only reason I would ever consider voting for a republican. The libertarian party has been about the message Dr. Paul advocates since its inception, and Gary Johnson is nearly as great a candidate as Dr. Paul.

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DeeB to Brian ☮... 2012/06/12 22:00:34

I hear you and get that but I don't vote for people because others are or I would be voting for Romney. It is Paul and everything that he stands for that I want. Don't tell me the man has nothing to do with it. It is his message I have been listening to for years, not Johnsons. Look how long Paul has been fighting for this and when he gets that close everyone wants to jump ship. Not me, I can't and I won't. I didn't put in the last 5 yrs. for nothing. Let Gary be his VP. The reason Rand did what he did is because they have been threatened and the people in charge of the convention are planning to make it even worse than it was in 08 and Paul fears for his followers. Irish has a poll on it have you been there?

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