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Al Gore would've been a better president than G.W. Bush. Agree or disagree?

Mopeder 2012/06/16 18:05:17
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  • Red Branch Anonymo... 2012/06/16 21:40:37
    Red Branch
    A couple comments up I has a partial list of Islamic terr attacks from the Clinton adm.

    I am glad they did not hate us when they were attacking us, it could have been so much worse if they had done it with hate.

    But then the Islamic terrs bombed the London tube as a demonstration of love and affection, right.
  • Anonymo... Red Branch 2012/06/16 22:39:53
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Well, Bush wasn't the first to annoy the Muslims, but he did it a lot more than Clinton...
  • Red Branch Anonymo... 2012/06/16 23:15:04
    Red Branch
    Bush should have killed a few million Moslems, then they would behave themselves for a few years.

    In 632, Mohammad sent the Islamic armies out to slay the infidel and conquer the world for allah. They continued their conquest until Tours in 732 when they were defeated by Charles Martel. During the same time period, they had taken most of the Byzantine Empire, toppled the Persian Empire, conquered half of India, and taken part of China. This period of conquest exceeded anything the Romans had done. The only time the Moslems have behaved themselves is following massive and catastrophic defeats. They cried about their losses at Tours for over 800 years and stopped then because they were kicked out of Spain. They still cry about the loss of Spain. Lepanto (1571) was another catastrophic and massive defeat and their loss prevented the re-invasion of Spain.
    Catastrophic losses at Vienna, 1529 & 1683, prevent the conquest of Europe from the East.

    Your thinking will have you spending most of your life in an Islamic Republic and dying in an Islamic Republic. Don't worry, you don't have to move.
  • Anonymo... Red Branch 2012/06/16 23:22:37
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    Lol, muslims don't care about dying, you just have to limit their numbers... I think they've got a bit too populous now, myself... And it is sad but true, unless UKIP come to power, where they will kick out the immigrants, especially if they have terrorist links, which is half the Muslims in the country...
  • Red Branch Anonymo... 2012/06/16 23:30:09
    Red Branch
    +1
    There is hope for you yet.

    "Because They Hate". - Bridgette Gavbriel. actforamerica.org. She may have a UK site.
    She was a Lebanese Christian who spent her youth in a bomb shelter to prevent being killed by Islamic terr artillery fire. 24/7/365 artillery fire. It is a good book.

    "Infidel" -Ayann Hirsi Ali.
    She was a Somali girl who grew up as a refugee in Saudia Arabia and Kenya.
    She escaped in the Netherlands on her way to an arranged marriage in Canada.
    She obtained an education, was elected to the Parliament and later lost her Dutch citizenship because of fear of Islamic violence. She had renounced Islam and was placed under a fatwa of death and now lives in hiding. Probably in the US or Canada.
    Ayann's book is not for the faint hearted. She has had a tough life.

    Both books are easy to read for someone your age. I recommend both.
  • Anonymo... Red Branch 2012/06/17 09:38:28
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I resent that.
  • Red Branch Anonymo... 2012/06/19 20:50:59
    Red Branch
    I wrote that because of your age and for no other reason.

    If you want a real tough book to read?
    "The Looming Towers: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9-11".
    - Lawrence Wright.
  • Anonymo... Red Branch 2012/06/19 20:53:20
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Highly insulting though. My reading capabilIties are not diminished by my age, I could read any book I like... I'm not going anywhere near LOTR though, so damned boring...
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/06/16 19:20:57
    disagree
    Rusty Shackleford
    +1
    Gore is a nutcase.
  • STEVE 2012/06/16 19:18:18
    disagree
    STEVE
    +2
    BY WHAT YARD STICK? HE WOULD HAVE BERRIED US IN GLOBAL WARMING NONSENSE AND MORE MASSAGES THAN JOHN TRAVOLTA....DRINK YOUR KOOL AID IF ANYONE IS THAT DELUSIONAL KOOL AID
  • America... STEVE 2012/06/16 19:42:34
    American☆Atheist
    that is ironic because GW is fact
  • STEVE America... 2012/06/16 19:50:41
    STEVE
    MAY I HAVE AN INTERPRETER...PLEASE INTERPRETER
  • Cleaver62 STEVE 2012/06/16 19:48:13
    Cleaver62
    +2
    Clinton had balanced the budget and had a plan to eliminate the debt in about 10 years. When Bush took office, he said he was going to continue that policy to eliminate the debt but instead decided to start 2 unpaid for wars and cut taxes on the wealthy. The result? the great Republican depression we are all enjoying today. If Gore didn't start the wars and didn't cut taxes, the country would be on the verge of having not debt at all.
  • STEVE Cleaver62 2012/06/16 20:07:36
    STEVE
    #1 THANK GINGRICH NOT CLINTON FOR THE BALANCED BUDGET #2 EVERYONE FORGETS THAT OUR ECONOMY ALMOST CRUMBLED IN THE DAYS AFTER 911, IF NOT FOR THE TAX CUTS WE WOULD HAVE CRASHED. #3 I AGREE WE NEEDED TO FINANCE THE WAR BY ENDING MANY MANY GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS AND FIRING THE LOAFERS THAT WORK IN D.C.#4 SO GORE WOULD, LIKE CLINTON, DONE NOTHING TO AL QAEDA? OR MAYBE HE WOULD HAVE SENT THEM SOME GREEN ENERGY PROGRAMS????OR MAYBE HE WOULD HAVE RAISED TAXES ON A VERY SHAKEY AMERICA????? AL GORE SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE
  • Cleaver62 STEVE 2012/06/16 20:24:14
    Cleaver62
    +2
    You can say "thank Gingrich" for the balanced budget all you want. But it passed dispite Gingrich's objections. He was crying to the Amreican people that raising taxes on the wealthy was going to destroy the economy. It didn't destroy anything. What it did was balance the budget and force business owners to put money back into their business instead of taking profits and moving them overseas.

    And maybe if Gore was president and Bin Laden still managed to pull off 9/11, maybe he would have taken the offer from the Taliban of Bin Laden when it was given to him and tried him in a neutral country. It would have avoided the 10 years of hell this country and the middle east has been put through. Not to mention the expense of 2 wars.

    From Think Progress Dec 16, 2011
    this talking point is much more fiction than fact. For starters, as USA Today noted, “Gingrich was in office for only two of those budget years (fiscal 1998 and 1999). But he continues to claim credit for two balanced budgets that were passed after he left office (fiscal 2000 and 2001).” Furthermore, as Citizens for Tax Justice’s Bob McIntyre wrote, it was actually the 1993 budget, which all Republicans opposed, that laid the groundwork for the balanced budgets that occurred under President Bill Clinton:
    Gingrich to...

    You can say "thank Gingrich" for the balanced budget all you want. But it passed dispite Gingrich's objections. He was crying to the Amreican people that raising taxes on the wealthy was going to destroy the economy. It didn't destroy anything. What it did was balance the budget and force business owners to put money back into their business instead of taking profits and moving them overseas.

    And maybe if Gore was president and Bin Laden still managed to pull off 9/11, maybe he would have taken the offer from the Taliban of Bin Laden when it was given to him and tried him in a neutral country. It would have avoided the 10 years of hell this country and the middle east has been put through. Not to mention the expense of 2 wars.

    From Think Progress Dec 16, 2011
    this talking point is much more fiction than fact. For starters, as USA Today noted, “Gingrich was in office for only two of those budget years (fiscal 1998 and 1999). But he continues to claim credit for two balanced budgets that were passed after he left office (fiscal 2000 and 2001).” Furthermore, as Citizens for Tax Justice’s Bob McIntyre wrote, it was actually the 1993 budget, which all Republicans opposed, that laid the groundwork for the balanced budgets that occurred under President Bill Clinton:
    Gingrich told anyone who would listen that Clinton’s 1993 tax increase would destroy the economy, but just the opposite happened.

    Center for American Progress Director for Tax and Budget Policy Michael Linden has actually found that legislation passed by Gingrich’s House Republicans made the budget picture worse in the 90s, not better. “Gingrich and his Republican Congress had nothing at all to do with balancing the budget in 1998. In fact, the net effect of their efforts was to make the fiscal situation slightly worse,” Linden noted. But that hasn’t stopped Gingrich from trotting out the fact that budgets were balanced while he was Speaker in an attempt to bolster his fiscal bona fides.
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  • findthe... Cleaver62 2012/06/17 05:09:47
    findthelight2000
    Brilliant response, bravo!
  • STEVE findthe... 2012/06/17 15:48:00
    STEVE
    THANK YOU, I WAS BRILLIANT.
  • findthe... STEVE 2012/06/17 17:28:34
    findthelight2000
    Perhaps if you weren't yelling you would have noticed that the complement you are referring to was not meant for you?
  • STEVE Cleaver62 2012/06/17 15:45:41
    STEVE
    THINK PROGRESS....YOU MUST DO BETTER THAN THAT, AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT PRETENDS TO BE NEUTRAL
    AS FOR THE CLAIM ON GINGRICH, HE WAS THE BULLY WE NEEDED TO HALT THE LIBERAL CRAP BEFORE IT CONSUMED OUR BUDGET LIKE IT HAS FOR OBAMA.
    AND THE TALIBAN OFFER OF OSAMA, REALLY????WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM, IT WAS CLINTON THAT COULDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER ON OSAMA WHEN HE WAS STILL IN YEMEN .
  • Cleaver62 STEVE 2012/06/17 22:27:54
    Cleaver62
    The Taliban offered to turn over Bin Laden shortly after the 9/11 attacks. The entire world was 100% behind the US after that horrorific day. The one string that was attached to the offer was that he needed to be tried in a neutral country. Bush didn't want to take that offer. He was hellbent on war with both Afghanistan because of the attack and with Iraq who he wanted to invade before he was even in office. He cherry picked the intelligence and made stuff up to get us into the war with Iraq. They went so far to accuse Sadam of working with Bin laden at one point which everyone in the administration knew was a lie and eventually they even denied they ever said it.

    I can pull the Gingrich quotes from anywhere, they were just all together in that article on Think Progress. I know that website is a little too factual for you conservatives... but it was convienient.
  • Lady Wh... Cleaver62 2012/06/16 21:44:07
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    WELL SAID
  • STEVE Lady Wh... 2012/06/17 15:47:13
    STEVE
    +1
    WELL I TRY...THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT, AND VOTE ROMNEY... VOTE ROMNEY POSTER
  • no no 2012/06/16 19:17:41
    I don't like either one of them.
    no no
    +1
    545 PEOPLE --By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them..

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes,WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

    You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.

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    545 PEOPLE --By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them..

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes,WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

    You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.

    They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.....

    The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. The House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace

    545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ..

    If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because

    they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ...

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power..

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

    What you do with this article now that you have read it......... Is up to you. This might be funny if it weren't so true.

    Be sure to read all the way to the end:

    Tax his land,

    Tax his bed,

    Tax the table,

    At which he's fed.



    Tax his tractor,

    Tax his mule,

    Teach him taxes

    Are the rule.



    Tax his work,

    Tax his pay,

    He works for

    peanuts anyway!



    Tax his cow,

    Tax his goat,

    Tax his pants,

    Tax his coat.



    Tax his ties,

    Tax his shirt,

    Tax his work,

    Tax his dirt.



    Tax his tobacco,

    Tax his drink,

    Tax him if he

    Tries to think.



    Tax his cigars,

    Tax his beers,

    If he cries

    Tax his tears.



    Tax his car,

    Tax his gas,

    Find other ways

    To tax his ass.



    Tax all he has

    Then let him know

    That you won't be done

    Till he has no dough.



    When he screams and hollers;

    Then tax him some more,

    Tax him till

    He's good and sore.



    Then tax his coffin,

    Tax his grave,

    Tax the sod in

    Which he's laid...



    Put these words

    Upon his tomb,

    'Taxes drove me

    to my doom...'



    When he's gone,

    Do not relax,

    Its time to apply

    The inheritance tax..



    Accounts Receivable Tax

    Building Permit Tax

    CDL license Tax

    Cigarette Tax

    Corporate Income Tax

    Dog License Tax

    Excise Taxes

    Federal Income Tax

    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

    Fishing License Tax

    Food License Tax

    Fuel Permit Tax

    Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)

    Gross Receipts Tax

    Hunting License Tax

    Inheritance Tax

    Inventory Tax

    IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

    Liquor Tax

    Luxury Taxes

    Marriage License Tax

    Medicare Tax

    Personal Property Tax

    Property Tax

    Real Estate Tax

    Service Charge Tax

    Social Security Tax

    Road Usage Tax

    Recreational Vehicle Tax

    Sales Tax

    School Tax

    State Income Tax

    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

    Telephone Federal Excise Tax

    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax

    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes

    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

    Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax

    Telephone State and Local Tax

    Telephone Usage Charge Tax

    Utility Taxes

    Vehicle License Registration Tax

    Vehicle Sales Tax

    Watercraft Registration Tax

    Well Permit Tax

    Workers Compensation Tax





    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

    We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.



    What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'



    I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!! YOU can help it

    get there!!!



    GO AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN!!!
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  • Lester 2012/06/16 19:10:14
    I don't like either one of them.
    Lester
    Actually, liking someone and thinking they would be a good President are two different things. I don't have any personal animosity towards either of them. On matters of policy however, we've seen that Bush led the country into a bunch of unwinnable wars and presided over economic collapse. We will never know exactly what kind of President Gore would have made, but I remember the 2000 campaign and at that time Gore came across as pretty immature. He came from an elite family and had been VP so he thought he was entitled to be President. Since he didn't have a real legitimate reason for wanting to be President, I don't think he would have made a particularly good one. IMHO, Gore has probably had a more successful and fulfilling life because he did loose the 2000 election.
  • gbudavid 2012/06/16 19:03:10
    I don't like either one of them.
    gbudavid
    I don't like either but it is NFL that Gore was anywhere near as good as W
  • DougE 2012/06/16 19:02:08
    disagree
    DougE
    He's as wacky as Ron Paul. Are you kidding?
  • wtxwoman 2012/06/16 18:59:51
    agree
    wtxwoman
    +10
    I like Al Gore and anybody, ANYBODY, would have been a better president than GW.
  • drummer... wtxwoman 2012/06/16 19:13:17
    drummercat12
    okay if u say so... not obama though....
  • drdos1943 wtxwoman 2012/06/16 19:31:45
    drdos1943
    Yes, and anyone would have been a better president than Obama as well.
  • Cleaver62 drdos1943 2012/06/16 19:51:24 (edited)
    Cleaver62
    +3
    Obama has been unable to do much of anything because of the Republican pledge that they took before Obama was even sworn in. They pledged to make sure that no bills supported by Obama or the Democrats got passed. And so far they have lived up to that promise. There are willing to destroy the economy and bankrupt every middle class American just so they can make sure Obama doesn't win a second term. I find that rather disgusting, classless and worthy of prosecution for treason.
  • wtxwoman Cleaver62 2012/06/16 20:56:10
    wtxwoman
    +2
    You are right.
  • Getting... Cleaver62 2012/06/16 21:18:38
    GettingBarried
    +1
    Obama had plenty of time to do whatever he pleased. His choice was to pass PPACA and pay off Chrysler/GM union pensions at the expense of the investors and taxpayers. He could have reduced spending, ended wars immediately, anything. He had the House and Senate behind him. Everything that has happened since that time is HIS fault. He demands and does not negotiate. He pisses, moans, divides and blames rather than leads. You and your simpleton lefty automatons spew the daily memes issued by the DNC. Wake up.
  • Cleaver62 Getting... 2012/06/17 10:20:33
    Cleaver62
    He never had a super majority of 60 votes in the Senate and Republicans filibustered everything. A filibuster requires 60 votes to stop debate on a bill and bring it to a vote that only requires a majority or 51 votes. The Democrats have 51 votes for just about everything they try to pass that is why the Rupublicons are filibustering everything.
  • Getting... Cleaver62 2012/06/17 14:40:23
    GettingBarried
    How did PPACA get passed? If the dems are going to pass something like that, anything is on the table, no?
  • Lady Wh... Cleaver62 2012/06/16 21:44:56
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER....
  • wtxwoman drdos1943 2012/06/16 20:55:53
    wtxwoman
    +2
    Obama may have been 'green' in the beginning, but he is nowhere near as bad or corrupt as Bush.
  • J-DUB 2012/06/16 18:55:13
    agree
    J-DUB
    +7
    Definitely.
  • Julian 2012/06/16 18:52:55
    I don't like either one of them.
    Julian
    +5
    I think about 80% of the general population would have been a better President than GWB.
  • STEVE Julian 2012/06/16 19:20:03
    STEVE
    +2
    AND 99% WOULD BEEN BETTER THAN GORE...AND 100% BETTER THAN SOON EX-PRESIDENT OBAMA
  • Cleaver62 STEVE 2012/06/16 19:51:59
    Cleaver62
    +3
    You are about as bright as the sock in your photo.

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