Al Gore would've been a better president than G.W. Bush. Agree or disagree?

Clinton was a Republican??????
GWB in the Air National Guard

Didn't see a day of combat duty in Nam. The ONLY honorable Republicans that I can say didn't shirk their duties were Colin Powell & John McCain.

There were plenty of conscientious objectors for Nam & I refuse to include them in the number.

And Clinton did? Hell, he didn't even stay in the country. He ran away to England! Serving in the national guard is NOT dodging anything.

BTW, GHWB DID serve in WWII and was even shot down in combat.

You do know that Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar.

I did not know that about G.H.W. Bush. Then he deserves the honor that was due him.

So a Rhodes Scholar is more honorable than a National Guardsman? I think not!

When connections were used to keep him from ACTIVE DUTY in Vietnam--YES!

Of course, Clinton wouldn't DREAM of using connections to get his scholarship. *snicker*
There IS NO DIFFERENCE between those DemoPublican Authoritarians.

Connections, in COLLEGE? PULEEZ! He had no connections at that age. Have you forgotten his humble beginnings? He wasn't born into a family with connections like the Bush's or Kennedy's.

Right. He would NEVER call on Senator Fullbright to pull a few strings. lol. And he DID deliberately avoid the draft TWICE before realizing that he needed something if he wanted to pursue a political career.
http://www.biography.com/peop...

We sure would have not attacked the wrong country, and probably would have got bin Laden in Afghanistan and be out of there by now saving trillions. Bush was a disaster.

After all he invented the internet

The best thing to result from a Gore presidency is that Obama wouldn't have been elected 4 years ago.

Marxism doesn't work!

The most important and tragic thing that would not have happened, there would not have been the horrific loss of life and limb of our American soldiers, let alone the tens of thousands innocent Iraqi citizens. Our water and air would be in better shape, and I believe that the millions of displaced workers we have today wouldn't have been either.

No way of knowing now, though it is difficult to imagine worse than Bush II. Perhaps James Buchanan, Pierce or Fillmore. Certainly Bush is the worst in the last 100 years.

Gore woulda been like a deer in the headlights after 9/11 and I don't think he coulda kept the economy running for nearly as long as GWB did. Old Al has his head to far up his global warmer.

GW started us on this financial road to hell within the first 6 months of his mis-begotten first term. Gore had been VP for 8 years, how do you come to the erstwhile conclusion that he would have been "like a deer in the headlights"?

When Pelosi and Reid took control of Congress in Jan 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6 percent. By Dec 2007, we were in a recession. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent since June 2005. George Bush had an average 5.3 percent unemployment rate over his 8 years as president.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/s...
Table 1.1

The real fall out of jobs was when it looked like Obama would be the next president. Investors bet on the future and Obama was the future. Every business group in America is fighting that Marxist in the white house. Capital and jobs flee Marxism which is why Obama can’t create jobs.

20 million jobs were already lost by the time this President took office with 750K going each month. His policies didn't even begin to take place before thousands more had gone down the tubes. The Dem's majority in '06 did not give them any more power than to set the budget and investigate the malfeasance rampant in the Administration. Bush never picked up the veto pen until the new "majority" and there were not enough Dems to override his vetos. GW's reckless spending and bloated budgets that were sent up to him in his first term were never challenged. He never laid that veto pen down again until the end,the first or second one being the veto of raising the minimum wage.

And the porkulous really hasn't stopped the job bleeding yet. Without a huge turnaround in the economy, Obama is doomed.

So what are you bitching about? That is the plan isn't it? Offer no support, alternatives or solutions, just stonewall, fillibuster and say "No" to every initiative offered so that the whole country will fail with him. Regress back to the same utterly failed policies of the recent past,give tax breaks to those who don't need them and dredge up questions long settled. Helluva way to run a country.

You said; "20 million jobs were already lost by the time this President took office" Produce facts (quote and a reference) you can't!

Investors knew what Obama's policies where. Therefore, they were pulling money off the table in mass so 750,000 jobs where lost per month.

That money is still sitting on the side lines. Investing in America while Obama is sitting in the white house is too risky.

"•Almost as many small businesses, (92%) think the business community should lead the American Recovery, compared to 8% who think the federal government has the best solutions.

•The vast majority of small businesses still are looking for the government to get out of the way (81%) and for more certainty opposed to government assistance.

•Small businesses see all bureaucrats in Washington as the problem but have sharpened their criticism of the Administration and Congressional Democrats in the past 9 months. Close to half of all respondents approve of the job the House Republican Majority is doing; only 8% approve of the Senate Democrat Majority. Sixteen percent of small businesses approve of the job President Obama is doing."

http://www.uschambersmallbusi...

Kids...chill it's Father's Day. Be nice.

I am a father and I am having fun. Don't you like my facts? Surveys of small businesses by the US Chamber of Commerce.

"Sixteen percent of small businesses approve of the job President Obama is doing." Obviously, Obama policies are not to popular with those that create jobs.

Do you suppose that is why small buisness owners aren't investing and creating jobs?

You're right...I mis-spoke.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economic...

Thank you Sissy, I see the "fact free zone" can not be penetrated by the responders who have drunk the poisoned tea.

Again I will slam you with Obama facts.

The unemployment rate was 4.6 percent when Pelosi and Reid took control of Congress in Jan 2007. George Bush has an average unemployment rate of 5.3 percent.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/s...
Table 1.1

The Bush tax cuts took effect in Jan 2004. In Dec 2003, there were 131.026 million non farm payroll jobs. In Dec 2007 when the recession started, there were 138.875 an increase of 7.849 million jobs.

http://www.bls.gov/webapps/le...
Click on Non farm payrol and run the report.

The loss of jobs at the very end of the Bush administration was because Obama was going to be president. Investors bet on the future and they weren’t going to bet a dime of their money on that Marxist Liberal.

They still aren’t which is why Obama can’t create jobs.

Marxism doesn’t work! If it looked like McCain was going to win, there wouldn’t have been near the jobs loses at the end of the Bush presidency.

We can go back and forth with our "facts" until the cows come home. If you honestly believe that the Bush policies didn't drive us nearly off the cliff and into another Great Depression, then there is absolutely nothing more to be said. It is a FACT that 750K jobs were being lost per month at the time of the Obama innauguration, it is a FACT that he already had over a trillion dollar deficit that had added NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH to the economy, only to the pockets of thet super rich and the corporateshttp:... It took "$720 Billion tax payer dollars to save the financial institutions from tanking, and those job creators who got that totally undeserved tax cut did not create one single job. In fact, if you read that link I provided up above, republican presidents past and most recent have dismal, pathetic records for creating jobs but they sure as hell do right by those you shill for. Go figure.
of Bush Tax
http://www.bing.com/news/sear...
http://www.tylwythteg.com/ene...

Let's try Obama facts.

When Pelosi and Reid took control of Congress in Jan 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6 percent. By Dec 2007, we were in a recession. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent since June 2005. George Bush had an average 5.3 percent unemployment rate over his 8 years as president.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/s...
Table 1.1

George Bush cut taxes in 2003 which became effective 1 Jan 2004. His tax cuts increased revenues 700 billion dollars. Of course, the recession started in Dec 2007, so 2008 revenue where down slightly.

When Obama took over, revenues fell through the floor and spending increased dramatically.

Year /Revenues / Outlays / Deficit or Surplus
2000 2,025,191 /1,788,950 /236,241
2001 1,991,082 /1,862,846 /128,236
2002 1,853,136 /2,010,894 /-157,758
2003 1,782,314 /2,159,899 /-377,585
2004 1,880,114 /2,292,841 /-412,727
2005 2,153,611 /2,471,957 /-318,346
2006 2,406,869 /2,655,050 /-248,181
2007 2,567,985 /2,728,686 /-160,701
2008 2,523,991 /2,982,544 /-458,553
2009 2,104,989 /3,517,677 /-1,412,688
2010 2,162,724 /3,456,213 /-1,293,489
2011 2,3203,700 /3,603,0601 /-1,299,595
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb...
Table 1.1

"the loss of jobs was because Obama was going to be president" Hahah that's the part where you lose me and sanity. How come then, now that Obama IS president... and has been for some time --how come we're still not losing jobs? Last I checked we were gaining jobs and continue to be.

Your analysis is fanatically partisan nonsense.... Obama is so bad that even the anticipation of his presidency made companies choose to lose money and lay people off! I mean "full retard" doesn't begin to describe the mendacity of that argument.

Investor bet on the future and you had at least a Marxist Liberal in the White House.

"Communist Party USA supports Barack Obama"

"The National Board of the CPUSA considers it imperative to give its full support to the most progressive wing of U.S. imperialism through support for Barack Obama.

http://cpusanationalboard.blo...

Would you bet you’re on a Commie? Investors aren't going to so they bailed out. Marxism doesn’t work. Yyou bet your money on that Marxist.

Go for it. Createe jobs under Obama. Nobody else is risk thdeir money on a Commie..

Marxist my ass. Red baiting was dishonest when McCarthy did it and it's ridiculous when reich wingers do it today. It's the oldest swift boat in the book. He's not a "commie" the Red scare is over.. get over it.

Businesses bet on supply and demand.not who's president.

But it's not your premise that bothers me...

--it's ridiculous and slightly disturbing conclusion you come to from it!

If you're right, then what your'e saying is that big business is holding our economy hostage at great cost to themselves, until they get a president who does their bidding instead of serving the American People who elected him! that's a sick and twisted state of affairs! If you're right then Democracy is truly dead and we really are ruled by corporations --and for that you're mad at... Obama? Really? Cause we're not doing their bidding enough? We're not bowing low enough to them? Why do you hate America and Democracy so much?

Below is a fact from the Communist Party's blog.

"Communist Party USA supports Barack Obama"

"The National Board of the CPUSA considers it imperative to give its full support to the most progressive wing of U.S. imperialism through support for Barack Obama.

http://cpusanationalboard.blo...

You need to produce facts (quotes and references) like I do. The bottom line is Liberals and self proclamed Communist support Obama. There isn't a whole lot of difference. They both advocate the redistrubution of wealth by big government. Vote for me and I will transfer wealth to you.

Yes blame Obama for stuff that happened before he was even sworn in because of what we think they might have been thinking when he took office. So ridiculous.

Those lost jobs weren't because they were scared of Obama and fired people. Absolutely nonsense. Why were they not investing during the previous 8 years of record low job and GDP growth... and why was there record growth when Clintion was president?

The Bush Tax cuts got rid of a major incentive to invest and create new jobs. Before with a higher tax rate, they had to invest to avoid the greater corporate tax. After the tax cuts they had no reason not to take the money and put it in a Swiss bank account or whatever. Naturally they didn't create more jobs why should they? That's "trickle down' Reaganomics for you!

And it doesn't say they don't approve of the "Senate DEMOCRATIC majority" It says they don't think the federal government has the right solutions.. Nice slight of hand there. If you have to lie --even about your own citations it doesn't say much for your argument. They'd rather have a better economy than get federal assistance ... well duh So would Obama!

Your data doesn't support your points and your points are assinine.

FAIL.

Let me slam you with facts (quotes and references)

• “Concerns about over-regulation are the highest we’ve seen in the past year, with 42% of small businesses citing it as a major concern and 52% citing regulations as the top threat to their business, increasing 9 percentage points since last June."

• "What do concerns about regulations and policies mean for small businesses? Stalled growth. 80% of small businesses surveyed report the taxation, regulation, and legislation from Washington make it harder for their business to hire more employees. Nearly three-out-of-four (73%) of small businesses surveyed cite the recent health care law as an obstacle to growing their business and hiring more employees.”

Do small businesses support Obama's policies?

"Sixteen percent of small businesses approve of the job President Obama is doing."

http://www.uschambersmallbusi...

The US Chamber of Commerce spent 75 million dollars to help dump 63 Marxist Liberals from the House into the street. The Chamber represents 3 million small business owners.

Um nothing in that quarterly survey says what you're saying. I didn't see the word "commie" or "marxist" anywhere in there... but your ridiculous epithets aside, the USchamber is nothing more than a right wing think tank which according to them didn't become a "political force" until 2010... Hmmm. I'd trust them and their "surveys" about as much as the Heritage Foundation or the "family research council" (chuckle)...

In Reality
Since January 2009 the Small Business Administration has supported more than 150,000 small businesses with nearly $80 billion in loans—a record for SBA 7(a) and 504 program lending.
To ensure that small businesses have access to the loans they need, the Small Business Jobs Act provided loan guarantees and reduced fees.

President Obama cut taxes for small business owners 18 times, and signed into law $200 billion in tax relief and incentives to encourage businesses to create jobs, invests, and grow. The Small Business Jobs Act made 4.5 million small businesses eligible for a larger tax break on new investments in equipment and machinery.

I guess those 4.5 million small businesses didn't take part in that survey.

Again ... Marxist my ass.

Every business group in America is fighting that Marxist Liberal in the White House. The Chamber of Commerce is lobby organization for their members. They survey their 3 million members to find out what the issues are so does every other business group.

“Harry Alford, president and CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, blasted President Obama’s anti-business administration in an explosive interview. Alford, a 2008 Obama supporter, labeled the administration “Marxist” and “fanatical.” “They might as well put on the brown shirts and swastikas,” he said.”

http://visiontoamerica.org/35...

I think Alford summed up the veiws of the vast majority of small business owners in America towards Obama.

Everything that GWB did improveed the economy in a timely fashion and he had to make at least three stimulous inputs and a tax cut. He put the mony into the hands of those that paid the taxes and the economy perked each time. The free fall economy at the end was all due to banking crashes. AIG was the last straw and the government oversight absent to prevent those failures was curtailed by congress way back in the Clinton administration. Gore would have done very nearly the same kinds of things Obama has done in international affairs. Everything would have been small scale, covert and have no damn objective. Had we no troops in Afghanistan we wouldn't have gotten UBL, and Gore would never have sent the troops.

You don't have to be an MBA or have a masters in economics to know that it is the height of stupidity to cut taxes when you have two wars and unfunded mandates like that miserable Medi-Care Part D that benefited only the pharmaceuticals and didn't do a whit but make it more miserable for the seniors in this country. When FDR declared war, he told the country that taxes would have to be raised to pay for it, and there were all kinds of ways to lessen the debt of war, none of which this incompetent bunch of leaders had the brains or intelligence to do.

Again, we would have had billions upon billions more in our treasury as well as thousands of more lives saved had this total ingrate not been shoved into a position that he was not qualified for or deserved. We will be paying for that administration for decades to come.