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Again Why The Keystone XL Pipeline is a BAD IDEA.

luvguins 2012/02/25 21:13:48
The Republicans lame reasons why the Keystone XL pipeline is a must gets more boring by the day. Every GOP candidate thinks this is the answer to our dependence on oil. How much is TransCanada lining their pockets? Of course Republicans don't believe in climate change, and have no problem subsidizing big oil so they will continue to whine about this, and allow TransCanada to attempt land grabbing from American citizens.



NOTE: This is a guest post from Alex Ralston, Online Organizer at the Center for Biological Diversity.


Less than two weeks after President Barack Obama rightly rejected the Keystone XL pipeline, a bill was introduced in the U.S. Senate that would allow Congress to approve the pipeline.


There are plenty of good reasons to reject the pipeline; here are five of them:


1. It will spill. The State Department’s review of the project clearly says Keystone XL will spill oil. Not may, but will. The existing Keystone pipeline has already leaked 14 times since it began operating in June 2010, including one leak that dumped 21,000 gallons of tar-sands crude. Keystone XL would carry up to 35 million gallons of oil every day — so any leak has the potential to be massive.


2. It won’t be a major job producer. The State Department estimates that Keystone XL will result in only 20 permanent, operational jobs in the U.S and 2,500 to 4,650 temporary jobs. What’s more, after Keystone XL oil makes it to Texas, much of it will be exported beyond U.S. borders without paying U.S. taxes – never benefitting our economy or slacking our thirst for oil.



3. It will threaten vast pristine landscapes, rivers and wildlife. Running between Alberta, Canada and the Gulf Coast of Texas, Keystone XL will cross nearly 1,750 water bodies, like rivers and steams, and risk contaminating the Ogallala Aquifer (the drinking water source for millions of people). It would also cut through the heart of prime wildlife habitat, including homes for at least 20 imperiled species.


4. It will expand the destruction of Canada’s boreal forests. Tar sands oil is the dirtiest oil on Earth. Producing oil from sand has terrible impacts on the environment, including the destruction of tens of thousands of acres of boreal forest, pollution of hundreds of millions of gallons of water — each barrel of oil from tar sands requires three barrels of water to produce.



5. It will dramatically deepen our addiction to climate-killing fossil fuels. Greenhouse gas emissions from tar-sands development are two to three times higher than those from conventional oil and gas operations. That’s exactly the wrong direction for reversing global warming. Scientists tell us we must reduce atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide to 350 parts per million or less. Today, it’s 391 ppm, and Keystone XL would certainly drive that up and worsen the devastating effects of global warming — from rising oceans to melting glaciers to extreme and dangerous weather events – that we’re already seeing around the world.


Simply put, it’s not in our interest to court oil spills, worsen climate change and jeopardize rivers, streams, drinking water, people and wildlife. It’s time to tell Congress to stand up to Big Oil and Gas and reject Keystone XL, permanently.



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  • Zak Smith 2012/02/29 06:50:29
    Zak Smith
    The problem is that if it is not piped to Texas it will be piped to British Columbia and then shipped through the North Puget Sound. The oil will still be extracted, negating bullet points three and four. It will still be piped, but then it will also be shipped in tankers which have a higher risk of creating a large/catastrophic/uncontainable spill, negating bullet point one. The US is not going to be getting off the oil burning addiction anytime soon, no matter where we get it. The oil will be extracted and burned, even if it is not done in the US, which negates bullet point five. That leaves only the second point, which is arguable. 20 jobs is a very low estimate for permanent jobs that would be maintaining an international pipeline, but even with the highest estimates that have been published, it certainly would not be the savior to our unemployment. The oil will be refined in Texas before being exported, therefore there would be a profit made by the refinery crews, still not an economy saver. Both sides of this argument sure like to twist the facts. The Keystone XL pipeline will not be the ruin of human civilization or the Earth's ecosystems, and it will not be the saving grace for the US economy.
  • Sandy 2012/02/29 00:38:51
    Sandy
    +3
    The risks outweigh the potential benefits. Being anti-science, the GOP has little credibility on the issue. The article was good.
  • Piperpc 2012/02/27 23:08:59
    Piperpc
    +3
    It seems like a worthless threat to our environment, from everything I've read about it. It will not lessen our dependence on foreign oil, it would be unlikely to effect gas prices, and would not create many permanent jobs.
  • scbluesman13 2012/02/27 20:01:09
    scbluesman13
    +4
    I love how conservatives think Obama is somehow anti-drilling or anti-oil. This couldn't be further from the truth.

    http://thinkprogress.org/romm...
  • luvguins scblues... 2012/02/27 20:11:23
    luvguins
    +4
    Thanks for that link. The right are lying per usual.
  • scblues... luvguins 2012/02/27 20:13:40
    scbluesman13
    +2
    I appreciated the fact that as with anwar and this keystone pipeline, he opposed both plans based on research presented to him about the environmental dangers outweighing the benefits. This is what a leader ought to do. If the plan smells bad, don't do it. Liberals are already giving him a fit because we feel as though he's opened up *too much* drilling... I'm glad I'm not him, I would have lost my mind already... LOL.
  • Michaelene scblues... 2012/03/09 03:04:40
    Michaelene
    lmao, think progress dot org, what a joke.
  • scblues... Michaelene 2012/03/09 19:31:49
    scbluesman13
    +1
    And Think Progress is simply reporting the numbers. Regardless of what you think of the site, the numbers themselves are sound.
  • Michaelene scblues... 2012/03/09 20:10:55 (edited)
    Michaelene
    Where are they getting these number?
    Which numbers are ommitted to make their argument stick?

    Sorry, but I refuse to deal with punditry when I research, I've learned that the original sources are not so visually stimulating or full of zeal and rhetoric but the numbers are not skewed.

    Haven't you seen the graph of the pipelines already operating in our nation. The aquafir mentioned by your progressive news has dozens extending across it already.

    pipeline map of the us

    oops forgot the comparison
    pipeline map of the us
  • YouSirName 2012/02/27 17:11:06
    YouSirName
    +3
    Also, the real reason this pipeline is wanted rests purely on profits for TransCanada at the expense of U.S. taxpayers.

    •TransCanada’s 2008 Permit Application states “Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally PADD II [U.S. Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil. Access to the USGC [U.S. Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude. The resultant increase in the price of heavy crude is estimated to provide an increase in annual revenue to the Canadian producing industry in 2013 of US $2 billion to US $3.9 billion.”
    •Independent analysis of these figures found this would increase per-gallon prices by 20 cents/gallon in the Midwest.
    •According to an independent analysis U.S. farmers, who spent $12.4 billion on fuel in 2009 could see expenses rise to $15 billion or higher in 2012 or 2013 if the pipeline goes through. At least $500 million of the added expense would come from the Canadian market manipulation.

    http://www.tarsandsaction.org...
  • Icarus 2012/02/27 10:43:05
    Icarus
    +2
    Hear hear!
  • rightside 2012/02/27 03:52:04
    rightside
    +5
    So, the stimulus that was suppose to create thousands of jobs and didn't, that's OK?
    We already have a pipeline and it seems to be doing just fine. Why not another one?
    It will create many temp jobs that could last for up to 10 years. What full time job can give you that promise?
    We are watching other countries drilling very close to us and getting oil and then selling it to us, but bama won't let us off shore drill. Does that make sense to you?
    The arguments you show are spun so much, I'm surprised you don't get dizzy reading them.
    Try again. This time, try some truth.
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 04:41:27
    luvguins
    +3
    The stimulus has created 3 million jobs equal to what Bush created in 8 years. This pipeline won't create all USA jobs as most will be in Canada. The president has released hundreds of permits for off shore and on shore drilling. Get up to speed.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 04:44:37
    rightside
    +3
    Yeah sure
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 04:58:40
    luvguins
    +2
    Staying stupid? Knock yourself out.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 05:06:19
    rightside
    +6
    Yeah, bama's doing a great job!

    Cost to operate a Chevy Volt

    Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

    For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
    Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be20 mph.

    According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.


    The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.


    I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.


    16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.


    $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.


    Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.


    $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg =...








    Yeah, bama's doing a great job!

    Cost to operate a Chevy Volt

    Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

    For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
    Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be20 mph.

    According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.


    The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.


    I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh.


    16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.


    $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.


    Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine only that gets 32 mpg.


    $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.


    The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000.


    So the government wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more that 7 time as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.


    REALLY?
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  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 05:27:07
    luvguins
    +1
    Batteries will improve, and the president did not design the Chevy Volt. Is the weather his fault too. This question is about the Keystone pipeline. Stay on the topic or leave.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 10:09:32
    rightside
    +4
    Don't you get it? I am staying on subject. The pipeline is what we need. We don't need the chevy volt.
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 13:36:26
    luvguins
    +1
    The pipeline will not make a bit of difference in the price of gasoline with a global market, OPEC, and speculators regulating the price. We don't need it's risks.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 17:30:30
    rightside
    +1
    Your opinion that I don't agree with.
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 17:33:06
    luvguins
    +1
    Your choice. The more found out about this the less likely it will fly.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 18:13:42
    rightside
    +1
    Until bama is removed.
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 18:18:30
    luvguins
    +1
    Which he will not be. Get used to that.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 18:41:18
    rightside
    +1
    I believe that Oh prophetic one!. NOT
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 20:21:48
    luvguins
    Your candidates are committing political suicide daily. Only group that will vote for them is evangelical christians, and old white men.
  • rightside luvguins 2012/02/27 21:19:05
    rightside
    +1
    In the old testament, when the people wanted evil, God allowed them to have bad leaders until they repented and asked God for forgiveness. If people still want evil to flourish, we will keep bama. Hopefully not.
  • luvguins rightside 2012/02/27 21:25:29
  • Mel the... rightside 2012/03/17 13:26:01 (edited)
    Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA
    +1
    You are wasting your time this is the dumbest of the Dumb.
  • luvguins Mel the... 2012/03/17 17:34:25
    luvguins
    How precious from th snark queen of NJ. snark queen
  • Mel the... luvguins 2012/03/17 13:25:20
    Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA
    The stimulus has created 3 million jobs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Throughout the first first term of President George Walker Bush, Democrats said he was the first president since Herbert Hoover to post a net loss in jobs, as the nation struggled with the recession he “inherited” as liberals say, and 9/11′s aftermath.

    We had a net increase in jobs during his 8 years as president.

    Now Barack Obama is president. How is that working out. From the Hill:

    House Ways and Means ranking member Dave Camp (R-Mich.) on Friday released data complied by his office that shows 48 out of 50 states have lost jobs since the February 2009 enactment of the economic stimulus bill.

    “While Democrats promised their 2009 stimulus would create 3.7 million jobs, the reality is far different,” stated a release from Camp’s office. “To date, 2.6 million jobs, including 2.5 million private sector jobs, have been lost.”

    According to the report, only Alaska and North Dakota have experienced positive job growth since early 2009. The District of Columbia also saw an increase in hiring during that period.

    Ouch.

    Keep smoking that weed...
  • luvguins Mel the... 2012/03/17 17:29:01
    luvguins
    Dubya lost most of the 3 million he created as he was walking out at a tune of 750,000 a month. Clinton=23 million jobs, Bush=3million in 8 years. Spin some more though. The president has made up most of them in 3 years.
  • Mel the... luvguins 2012/03/17 17:30:40 (edited)
    Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA
    Facts are facts, Your president is garbage....
  • luvguins Mel the... 2012/03/17 18:07:13
    luvguins
    Your candidates are far worse, and the lamest bunch I've ever seen the GOP put up. Romney
  • Jimbo 2012/02/26 23:53:55
    Jimbo
    +3
    The fact is the pipeline makes delivery of the oil cheaper using a pipeline instead of rail delivery. Jobs will not be created, production will not be increased, price will still be determined by the int'l market regardless of the delivery cost. Some temp jobs are not worth possibly fouling the mid-west aquifer for a thousand years. Millions of people losing their farming livelihood is not worth a few cents more on the bottom line of oil industry corporations.
  • Pieter Joubert 2012/02/26 21:30:28
    Pieter Joubert
    +1
    Common sense does not play any role in the conservatives thought patterns when it comes to oil. They go into a trance and enter into wars sacrificing thousands of young americans for oil, why would they give a crap about future generations water sources or nature.

    You know the saying: we did not inherit the earth from our forefathers we are guarding it for our children. Well the conservatives don't have the same opinion
  • MR. 2012/02/26 17:45:12 (edited)
    MR.
    +4
    How many spills has "The Alaska Pipeline" had since 1977',...that's right! (ZERO!!!) ["Oh' not to mention jobs and energy independence,...duh?"]
  • Radical... MR. 2012/02/26 19:28:13
    Radical 1s1am1st
    +1
    From Wikipedia about Alaska pipeline leaks, it ain't zero:

    The steel pipe is resistant to gunshots and has resisted them on several occasions, but on October 4, 2001, a drunken gunman named Daniel Carson Lewis shot a hole into a weld near Livengood, causing the second-largest mainline oil spill in pipeline history.[159] Approximately 6,144 barrels (976.8 m3) leaked from the pipeline; 4,238 barrels (673.8 m3) were recovered and reinjected into the pipeline.[160] Nearly 2 acres (8,100 m2) of tundra were soiled and were removed in the cleanup.[161] The pipeline was repaired and was restarted more than 60 hours later.[162] Lewis was found guilty in December 2002 of criminal mischief, assault, drunken driving, oil pollution, and misconduct. He was sentenced to 16 years in jail and ordered to repay the $17 million cleanup costs.[163]

    The pipeline was built to withstand earthquakes, forest fires, and other natural disasters. The 2002 Denali earthquake damaged some of the pipeline sliders designed to absorb similar quakes,[164] and it caused the pipeline to shut down for more than 66 hours as a precaution.[162] In 2004, wildfires overran portions of the pipeline, but it was not damaged and did not shut down.[165][166]

    In March 2006, corroded feeder pipelines on the North Slope gave way, ...



    From Wikipedia about Alaska pipeline leaks, it ain't zero:

    The steel pipe is resistant to gunshots and has resisted them on several occasions, but on October 4, 2001, a drunken gunman named Daniel Carson Lewis shot a hole into a weld near Livengood, causing the second-largest mainline oil spill in pipeline history.[159] Approximately 6,144 barrels (976.8 m3) leaked from the pipeline; 4,238 barrels (673.8 m3) were recovered and reinjected into the pipeline.[160] Nearly 2 acres (8,100 m2) of tundra were soiled and were removed in the cleanup.[161] The pipeline was repaired and was restarted more than 60 hours later.[162] Lewis was found guilty in December 2002 of criminal mischief, assault, drunken driving, oil pollution, and misconduct. He was sentenced to 16 years in jail and ordered to repay the $17 million cleanup costs.[163]

    The pipeline was built to withstand earthquakes, forest fires, and other natural disasters. The 2002 Denali earthquake damaged some of the pipeline sliders designed to absorb similar quakes,[164] and it caused the pipeline to shut down for more than 66 hours as a precaution.[162] In 2004, wildfires overran portions of the pipeline, but it was not damaged and did not shut down.[165][166]

    In March 2006, corroded feeder pipelines on the North Slope gave way, spilling at least 6,310 barrels (1,003 m3) of oil.[167] In August 2006, during an inspection mandated by the United States Department of Transportation after the leak, severe corrosion was discovered.[168] The transit pipelines were shut down for several days that month, and replacement of 16 miles (26 km) of transit pipeline began. The project was completed before Christmas Day 2008 at a cost of $500 million to BP.[169]

    In May 2010, as much as several thousands of barrels were spilled from a pump station near Fort Greely during a scheduled shutdown. A relief valve control circuit failed during a test of the fire control system, and oil poured into a tank and overflowed onto a secondary containment area. [170]

    A leak was discovered on Jan 8, 2011, in the basement of the booster pump at Pump Station 1. For more than 80 hours, pipeline flow was reduced to 5 percent of normal. An oil collection system was put in place, and full flow resumed until the pipeline was again shut down while a bypass was installed to avoid the leaking section.[171][172][173]
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  • luvguins MR. 2012/02/26 19:59:55
    luvguins
    +1
    Wrong, bozo. 2006 212,000 gallon spill and shutdown, 5/25/10 210,000 gallon spill and shutdown, and 1/9/11 2,100 gallon spill and shutdown. Do some research before shooting your posts off.
  • MR. luvguins 2012/02/26 20:11:26
    MR.
    +3
    Yo mama! What you gonna use to fuel up clown,...hot air?!??
  • luvguins MR. 2012/02/27 03:36:10
    luvguins
    +1
    it won't be tar sands diesel, loser.
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