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A serious question for women!

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/04/08 20:01:18
As a women I am seriously perplexed about what is going on in the heads of other women. We're women and we're strong, right? We don't need a man to take care of us or to tell us what to do, right? We can take care of ourselves and our families? I see women say that a mother can raise a child with no father and they'll turn out just fine! I see women wanting to fight about these things and to say otherwise is backwards and ridiculous.

BUT, suddenly women are saying that they need government or they won't be able to make the right decisions about their health or get their own birth control without forcing someone else to give it to them for free? They want everyone else out of their uterus but they need the entire government in it? The women that say this consider themselves PROGRESSIVE?

I say that Progressive and Liberal women are giving women a bad name. I think they are setting our gender back 200 years. If you can't take care of yourself maybe you shouldn't be a mother? If you need government to supply everything for you and your family all you've done is replace the traditional husband and father with GOVERNMENT?

I know what my fellow Conservative women think. They think they can take care of themselves and even include a husband and father. They don't need to exclude them, they just hopefully will find a good one.

So, ladies....which is it.....enabled or helpless?
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  • Kat 2012/04/08 20:08:31
    Kat
    +77
    We are enabled.

    Liberal females are hopeless. (helpless) they want to blame everything on someone else like BO. They want to use sex as a hobby they need to pay for it, one way or the other. Progressing straight to socialism.

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  • Sir Bud WankerBait 2012/04/13 15:36:48
  • WankerBait Sir Bud 2012/04/13 15:42:02
  • Sissy WankerBait 2012/04/13 11:51:44
    Sissy
    +1
    Yeah, so there!
  • Sir Bud Sissy 2012/04/13 15:28:09
  • mjkowal Opinion... 2012/04/10 20:48:07
    mjkowal
    +8
    Please be kind enough to share the data regarding women having a sonogram deciding not to abort the baby. Do you think a woman is so... stupid that when she finds out that she is pregnant, she does not know what that means? I believe when most women make the agonizing decision to have an abortion, they have already look at all of the options and then decided what was best for them. Regarding the whole adoption..... blah blah blah.... have you seen how many kids are in foster care, orphanages, etc.

    I do not believe in abortion for myself, however, it is MY decision NOT yours, not the state.
  • Carol mjkowal 2012/04/10 22:21:34
    Carol
    +2
    Thank you!
  • Gracie ... mjkowal 2012/04/10 22:25:54
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Have women changed their minds about it once they see it? How many women are coerced into having an abortion by the father? That happens all the time. I am personally aware of women that would have kept their babies if they hadn't been intimidated into aborting them.

    Your idea that someone else doing it is none of your business is somewhat like the mentality of the past about slavery. People thought that if they didn't own a slave it was none of their business if someone else did and that God would deal with them. Aren't you glad that not everyone was so complacent?
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/11 04:41:23
    my2cents
    +5
    Women being coerced and intimated by the fathers into having an abortion?

    So you at heart believe women are timid wimps who can't make their own decisions. And you also believe men are bullies who would rather kill their children than support them.

    Nice world you live in.
  • mjkowal Gracie ... 2012/04/11 13:22:16
    mjkowal
    +2
    I will not disagree with you that some women may be intimidated into receiving an abortion, I am sure that it happens. However, do you think that by watching the sonogram it will change that intimidation? I am not stating that anyone should get an abortion, I am stating that it a woman's right to make up her mind about her own health, not yours not the states.

    Slavery and Abortion similiar? Hmmmm... I can't even find a way to make a comparison, I believe you made a HUGE stretch. A slave was a viable human being able to live their life without the assistance of a woman's womb. Slavery was a terrible atrocity and many did speak out about it, but the decision for a woman to abort a fetus is directly related to that specific woman's health, it is inside her body, her womb not yours not mine, not the states.
  • Gracie ... mjkowal 2012/04/11 22:25:22
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    The comparison was about the morality of looking the other way and not getting involved in something you find morally reprehensible.....guess you didn't get it.
  • mjkowal Gracie ... 2012/04/11 22:33:42
    mjkowal
    +3
    See there is the problem, I do not find abortion morally reprehensible.
  • mjkowal Gracie ... 2012/04/11 14:00:45
    mjkowal
    +2
    Again, please reference your sources beyond your personal experience.
  • Gracie ... mjkowal 2012/04/11 23:50:31
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Do it yourself.
  • mjkowal Gracie ... 2012/04/13 15:54:04
    mjkowal
    +2
    You know what, I tried to look up sources that would support yours and Opinionated statements, however I could not. I did find, several sites on either side that stated one way or the other, but was unable to come up with an unbiased site with a ruling either way. Sorry, there does not seem to be ANY unbiased evidence that women that have a sonogram change their mind on having an abortion. There is also no unbiased evidence that I can find that says that they don't change their mind. Unless I am missing it, it doesn't look as if an unbiased study has been done, or else I just can't find it.
  • Gracie ... mjkowal 2012/04/13 16:01:27
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I didn't say anyone changed their minds, I don't know. The laws that I'm aware of aren't even implemented yet. In fact I don't know a single state that mandates the transvaginal sonogram, it's just all been debate. It was struck down in Virginia. So, if and when the laws are passed we'll have statistics but right now there aren't any.

    As far as coersion for abortion, you don't need statistics for that one. The stories are all well documented and some have even had court cases between the father and mother and the family. Don't pretend that you've never heard of them.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 15:13:22
    HAlex1972
    You cannot compare slavery with the abortion issue.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 16:44:03
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    They are both moral issues. They are both immoral acts that are defended by those who say as long as they don't participate they're not complicit. Because it makes you uncomfortable with your opinion does not make it irrelevant.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 17:01:10
    HAlex1972
    Get off your damn high horse. The air's too thin all the way up there.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 22:02:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Not coming down to the gutter, sorry. By your standards it would make me a better person to believe in murdering the unborn?
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 22:09:37
    HAlex1972
    No, but it would make you a better person to not sit in judgment over other people. Judgment is for the Lord, not you.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 22:11:26
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Again, let's not judge anyone here on earth. Murder someone...no problem...God will get 'em! Again, you make my point about the slavery analogy.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 22:14:03
    HAlex1972
    Expelling a zygote is not murder.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 22:25:05
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I'm not talking about expelling a zygote.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 22:38:00
    HAlex1972
    Then what, exactly, are you talking about? If you're talking about 3rd term partial-birth abortion, then you have my support. If you are talking about 1st term abortion, then you do not. 2nd-term is something that I don't agree with, unless to save the life of the mother, however, it is still legal.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 23:04:37
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    It's a zygote for four days....certainly you don't believe that abortions are done then, do you? An abortion never saves the life of a mother...never. Now, taking the baby prematurely may but then the baby has a chance at survival. Killing the infant does nothing to improve or protect the mother's life. When they talk about using the "mother's health" as a reason they may be talking about her emotional health. However, I've never been sure how killing their infant helps their emotional health. It's really just an excuse to do late term abortions.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 23:30:55
    HAlex1972
    +1
    Women can sometimes develop an infection in the fallopian tubes or uterus, and she doesn't respond to antibiotics. Sometimes her membranes can rupture. These are two examples of a situation where an abortion can save the life of the mother. In states that don't allow that like Idaho, North Carolina, Nebraska, and Ohio, the woman has to just wait for the baby to die in vitro and hope that she doesn't die along with it, when an abortion could be administered to, at least, save the mother's life. This is wrong.

    These are instances where the baby will not make it, but you would have the mother die, as well, in your misguided belief that abortion NEVER saves the life of the mother.

    You're getting your information from biased sources.

    Again, I don't support late-term abortions, however, I don't see why the mother should die unnecessarily to satisfy your views on morality.

    I really think politics (and the rest of the public's uneducated opinions) should stay out of the doctor's office and out of the surgery room.
  • Carol Opinion... 2012/04/10 22:20:32
    Carol
    +6
    What a woman chooses to do with her body and what medical decisions she chooses to make, are for her to make and you not to judge.
  • Opinion... Carol 2012/04/10 22:26:11
    Opinionated-Conservative
    I have as much of a right to state my stance against it as you have to state your stance for it, if you can't handle that people feel differently than you then maybe you should find something other to do than post comments on open conversations.
  • Carol Opinion... 2012/04/10 22:40:08
    Carol
    +4
    I never said that you didn't have a right to your opinion. But you do not have the right to twist facts and you are clueless about women's health.
  • Gracie ... Opinion... 2012/04/10 22:21:43
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    It's just all manufactured outrage, they could give a crap about the procedure.
  • Lynn Opinion... 2012/04/11 00:58:54
    Lynn
    +4
    Maybe so but a sonogram be forced on a women is wrong dont you see that? I agree adoption should be the frist choice for me but that dose not give me the right to tell someone else what to do..
  • Gracie ... Lynn 2012/04/11 02:34:28
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    How many tests are FORCED on women having a baby? How many tests are FORCED on everyone having surgery? How many tests are FORCED on many people for many different things. The manufactured outrage is pure political BS!
  • mjkowal Gracie ... 2012/04/11 14:05:07
    mjkowal
    +4
    People consent to the tests. Nothing is forced. They are standard medical procedures. If it were medically necessary to have a sonogram prior to an abortion, there would be no arguement. The reason for the outrage, is because of the assumption that the woman getting the abortion is not intelligent enough to make the decision on her own and needs additional guidance to do the "right" thing. Again, her body her choice!
  • Gracie ... mjkowal 2012/04/11 23:54:07
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    That's not true. They are standard medical procedures that have been instituted through the years because of medical necessity and also lawsuits. Actually, how else do they determine how many months pregnant you are without a sonogram? That's how they determine gestation when you're pregnant so you could say it's still a medical necessity.

    If it was just "your body", no one would care. However when you are pregnant you have a second human inside you. Too bad you've been desensitized to that fact by Progressivism.
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/14 06:34:37
    my2cents
    +2
    Keep in mind, Gracie, that that second human is a parasite, incapable of surviving on its own for several months. Doesn't sound pretty, but that's what a fetus is.
  • JULIE Gracie ... 2012/04/12 01:58:42
    JULIE
    +1
    Who will pay for the sonograms?
  • Gracie ... JULIE 2012/04/12 02:09:28
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I'm sure the state will pay for them. I just found something of interest that you don't hear. The same intravaginal ultrasound is almost always administered before a dilation and evacuation...or the so called suction abortion. HUH, what do you know!!!!
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 15:17:33
    HAlex1972
    That is not true.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 16:44:23
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    But it is.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 17:01:57
    HAlex1972
    NO, its NOT true. You are full of dung and do not know what you're talking about.

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