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A serious question for women!

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/04/08 20:01:18
As a women I am seriously perplexed about what is going on in the heads of other women. We're women and we're strong, right? We don't need a man to take care of us or to tell us what to do, right? We can take care of ourselves and our families? I see women say that a mother can raise a child with no father and they'll turn out just fine! I see women wanting to fight about these things and to say otherwise is backwards and ridiculous.

BUT, suddenly women are saying that they need government or they won't be able to make the right decisions about their health or get their own birth control without forcing someone else to give it to them for free? They want everyone else out of their uterus but they need the entire government in it? The women that say this consider themselves PROGRESSIVE?

I say that Progressive and Liberal women are giving women a bad name. I think they are setting our gender back 200 years. If you can't take care of yourself maybe you shouldn't be a mother? If you need government to supply everything for you and your family all you've done is replace the traditional husband and father with GOVERNMENT?

I know what my fellow Conservative women think. They think they can take care of themselves and even include a husband and father. They don't need to exclude them, they just hopefully will find a good one.

So, ladies....which is it.....enabled or helpless?
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  • Kat 2012/04/08 20:08:31
    Kat
    +77
    We are enabled.

    Liberal females are hopeless. (helpless) they want to blame everything on someone else like BO. They want to use sex as a hobby they need to pay for it, one way or the other. Progressing straight to socialism.

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  • Sissy Gracie ... 2012/04/22 18:29:23
  • Gracie ... Sissy 2012/04/22 18:35:34
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    It says that it was pushed not passed by the Bush administration. Which is exactly what I already said.
  • Sissy Gracie ... 2012/04/22 18:42:41
    Sissy
    Okay, so what is the argument? Bush pushed it, Obama agrees that we must continue to find other avenues and we will continue to do so. Some will fail, hopefully more will succeed. That is looking into the future. You don't mind that, do you?
  • Gracie ... Sissy 2012/04/22 18:49:55
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    The Bush administration actually rejected it because they said they weren't ready. The Obama adminstration gave them the money. Do we really have the money to throw away at an industry who's time has obviously not yet come?

    This isn't the only one, there have been several in the past few months that have followed a similar path. Solyndra did destroy new products still in the packaging...I'm not sure why they'd do that.
  • Michaelene Sissy 2012/04/23 10:18:28
    Michaelene
    +1
    Blame Bush, nope cant' do that one this time.
    Obama did not start the idea of green technology, that's right.
    Obama did give out money and have contracts signed that did not pay back the taxpayers, he gave money to a company that rolled away with it.
  • Sissy Michaelene 2012/04/23 10:48:54
    Sissy
    Much like the money given to the job creators who created no jobs?
  • Michaelene Sissy 2012/04/23 11:07:26
    Michaelene
    I thought you guys said "Obama has had positive job growth for 23 months".
    Hypocrites, can't figure out if jobs were saved or created or not!
  • Sissy Michaelene 2012/04/24 12:39:49
    Sissy
    What's the diff? We were losing over 750,000 jobs a month going up to '08 and now we're not. So what are you talking about?
  • Michaelene Sissy 2012/04/24 12:46:26
    Michaelene
    Many of us saw the writing on the wall, business knew what Obama was and what he intended to do to vilify business.
    His handling of GM is now precedent for what investors must avoid. Why risk your money when the POTUS can simply take it and give it to the unions?
  • Sissy Michaelene 2012/04/24 12:48:50
    Sissy
    Considering that Main Street has been taken to the cleaners by the financial institutions, they should have been vilified.

    I think you would have a real hard time convincing the million plus workers who continue to pay taxes, their mortgages and health care that this President was wrong in loaning the auto industry funds that kept their job and made this country once again a leader in the auto industry of the world.
  • Michaelene Sissy 2012/04/24 13:11:18
    Michaelene
    +1
    Are you really calling GE and GM Main Street?
    You do realize that a probem with GM is that they had a "jobs pool program" where thousands of union members sat all day doing nothing but still getting every raise and benefit as an employee until they could qualify to retire often as young as 50 yrs old after sitting on their butts for a decade.
    The taxpayers are still on the hook for 40 BILLION and to aadd insult to injury ever town, city and municipality replaced their perfectly working vehicles with all new GM cars to boost the sales of the company.
    The bailout was to avoid bankruptcy but they filed it anyway.

    Thhe GE commercials make me laugh, so proud of their employees when the majority of them are not in the USA and the company gets the same tax credits as all business for new hires. EXCEPT they don't pay a dime in taxes!
    Jeffery Immelt, an Obama czar is robbing the taxpayer!
  • Sissy Michaelene 2012/04/24 13:44:56
    Sissy
    No, but the workers sure are Main Street. You forget that the unions made concessions for the past 3-5 years and their benefits are nowhere near what they once were. You take issue with people making a decent living where they pay taxes, their mortgages and health care? I know nothing about workers sitting around doing nothing and unless you were one of those, I doubt you do either.

    While you on the Right take great umbridge with people making decent wages, are you as offended for those who have gotten tax breaks to line their own bottom lines? You always harp on the middle class but the reckless spending and bloated budgets of the recent past cause nary a raised eyebrow.
  • Michaelene Sissy 2012/04/24 14:32:04
    Michaelene
    +1
    I take issue with people collecting a decent living without EARNING it for up to a dozen years. This is not just an isolated incident.
    Research!
    The public school system has an average of 10% of their employee base NOT working in "rubber rooms" across our nation.
    The construction unions are on rolling layoffs to allow everyone to work at least most of the year, while collecting UE on rotating schedules.
    Then it gets political with convenient strikes like the 45,000 Verizon workers who happened to be marching alongside OWS, Luis Farrakhan and the NBPP in Philadelphia in October.
    You know those progressive tactics, camp out and cause property destruction in the Capitol of WI, teachers lefft their jobs for days or weeks with fake notes to protest (with full pay).

    Again, please take me out of your mind and your "doubts". I'm sick of your assumptions.

    Budgets? You've got gall to even mention a budget.
  • Sissy Michaelene 2012/04/25 00:02:51
    Sissy
    It is obvious that you don't care to have a civil or worthwhile discussion or debate in your own right, so what's the use?. Your mind is made up and your theories are not to be tampered with. You are too deeply entrenched in what you are fed and it only makes for conversation steeped in lack of information, distortions and outright lies that are fed to you by the Right Wing. Perhaps my own mindset is just as strong and because our ideologies are totally different We are supposed to be here to express opinions, but when in the end it gets down to insults and lack of respect for another's opinion, its probably best to just stick a fork in it and be done. We will never agree that this country wasn't built on rugged individualism but on working together to forge a great and powerful country that was good for all of us, not just the few as you obviously feed into.
  • Gracie ... Sissy 2012/04/23 14:16:45
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    What money was given to the job creators? Do you mean that they got to keep some of their money? When we get the boondoggle called Obamacare out of the picture people will be able to create jobs.....uncertainty is a job killer.
  • Sissy Gracie ... 2012/04/24 12:38:59
    Sissy
    Isn't that what the tax breaks were for? So that the "trickle down theory" that the republicans insist is the only way since Reagan, to create jobs? The "theory" that has never succeeded in the 30 plus years we've had to listen to it?
  • Gracie ... Sissy 2012/04/24 16:38:48
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    It did work under Reagan. They have to destroy Reagan because they can't admit that it worked. I was an adult under Carter and Reagan was like a ray of sunshine from the "put on a sweater" Carter.

    The tax cuts have increased the burden of taxes on the top tiers. The problem is that the news doesn't match reality but if they did away with class warfare, who'd vote for a Democrat?
  • scum1 2012/04/11 09:08:12
    scum1
    +1
    Hey a real good conservative woman just has a baby with no help and does not even miss a day of work. No need for insurance or a pesky hospital or anything. Don't want to get your birth control free then why accept either the government or insurance paying for the birth of your child? Actually I have had the same health insurance for well over 20 years and it covers birth control which by the way my co pay is over more than the 9 dollars amount people keep talking about birth control costing. Sure maybe one form of the pill is cheap but it is not a one size all kind of thing. I could get Blood pressure meds for 5 bucks but unfortunately the one that actually works for me cost a hell of a lot more
  • Gracie ... scum1 2012/04/11 22:06:31
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    The thing that really seems to confuse people is government vs private. The point is that women are asking the government to intercede in every facet of their lives. If people want insurance to pay for something the first thing they do is go to the government. When did government become the solution to all of life's problems? Why is birth control suddenly something that women can't seem to pay for. Like you said, your blood pressure medicine costs you money. My husband has to take Plavix and it costs us money. Are we supposed to go before some phony government panel and say we want it free because he'll die if he doesn't get it? It's all another tool used to try and divide us further. Obama was lacking support by the women so they gin up this non-sense debate and women are so stupid that they don't even know they're being used.

    I say the entire debate is ridiculous and it makes women look helpless.
  • scum1 Gracie ... 2012/04/11 22:43:05
    scum1
    +1
    Sandra Fluke was never asking for the Government to give anyone free birth control. She was asking them to tell her PRIVATE INSURANCE to cover it. Now I don't necessarily agree with her but private insurance is not the government. Private insurance is paid for and most likely has a co-pay. I don't think that makes women helpless at all. My Private insurance covers a lot of things but i don't think me using it makes me look weak.
  • LOU 2012/04/11 05:19:57
    LOU
    +3
    Hey Gracie did you finally get a job and now you feel empowered?
  • Gracie ... LOU 2012/04/11 22:01:47
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    You should try it yourself.
  • LOU Gracie ... 2012/04/12 04:50:15 (edited)
    LOU
    +1
    Still laboring on a small island off the coast of Alaska.
  • Dave 2012/04/11 05:07:35
    Dave
    +2
    Geez! This is all I have to say and it pertains to males and females. Why should anyone in this world go it alone? I'm tired of this "me against the world" rhetoric. What is wrong with helping others? Your posting is setting humanity back 200 years!! You are basically saying females don't need males because they can survive on their own. Well I think males can't survive without females and vice versa. Actually why do you want to divide the sexes? I bet you call yourself a christian too.
  • Gracie ... Dave 2012/04/11 22:10:36
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Apparently you can't comprehend my point so I'll try and elaborate on it a bit so you can understand it. It's about people, men and women, going to government and whining about everything in their lives. I never in a million years said that I don't need or want a man. I'm saying that women are replacing the traditional father and husband with government. The entire testimony of Ms. Fluke totally excluded the responsibility of the partner contributing to the cost of birth control. They are the ones saying that the man is a non-entity in sex and bears no responsibility. So who's setting women back 200 years? The ones that say they can't do anything in their lives without government funding and government intervention, that's who! Get it now?
  • Dave Gracie ... 2012/04/12 04:16:42
    Dave
    +2
    No - I don't get it. You are arguing a health care issue, and I think all people should have access to health care. That's christianity. Fluke's testimony wasn't about having sex - unless you listen to Limbaugh. It was a health care issue.

    I don't see government taking the place of males unless you think that females need to be supported by males or government. If you think that, then that throws out your whole independent women concept.

    We aren't living in society anymore where one person is the "bread-winner". I think it's selfish to have children unless you can take care of them. Most people farm their kids out to day care. Only high income levels should be allowed to have children because they can afford them.

    If anything - males are having trouble finding their place in this changing society. Their role is no longer what it had been for a very long time.
  • Sissy Dave 2012/04/13 11:41:10
  • LOU Dave 2012/04/12 04:52:45
    LOU
    +2
    Very well said Dave.
  • Gracie ... LOU 2012/04/12 21:36:38
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    You agree with what he said about only high income people should have children? LMAO!
  • LOU Gracie ... 2012/04/13 05:46:32
    LOU
    +1
    If you cannot afford a child or make a plan to have one then you should not have one.
  • Gracie ... LOU 2012/04/13 15:12:54
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    And I totally agree but you need to tell your side that....lol!
  • Mrs. V 2012/04/11 03:47:18
    Mrs. V
    +3
    Progressives are those who enslave others. Progressive isn't progressive at all, it is regressive. Talk to any liberal, they believe that women, minorities, the poor, etc. are all TOO STUPID to take care of themselves. I kid you not, I have heard it from the mouth of a liberal.
    Of course, they think they are the ones that have been appointed to "take care" of all the stupid people.
    Conservative women can, and want to, take care of themselves and their families.

    Jesus Christ enables me.
  • Gracie ... Mrs. V 2012/04/11 22:11:12
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Thank you for some common sense, Mrs. V!
  • Sissy Mrs. V 2012/04/14 10:37:14 (edited)
    Sissy
    Jesus Christ also remanded you no less than 2500 times in the Bible to love your neighbor, care for the poor, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and care for the sick. I wonder what HE thinks of the selfishness, greed and corruption often at the expense of the lowly?
  • Mrs. V Sissy 2012/04/15 00:51:41
    Mrs. V
    +2
    That is true, and I do all those things by giving $$ to the charities of my choice.
    The difference is, the government gives to those who game the system at our expense. I am all for the church taking care of these issues.
    You would probably be surprised to know that conservative GIVE more than double what liberals do to help the poor and needy.
    http://www.gordon.edu/ace/pdf...
  • Michaelene Mrs. V 2012/04/16 17:31:51
    Michaelene
    +2
    Bravo, the freedom to give to charities of our choice is a beatuiful thing.
    I agree about the amount given by conservatives, as a tax preparer for 26 years, I know this is true.
  • Phyl *In God i Trust* 2012/04/11 03:42:14
    Phyl *In God i Trust*
    +3
    To make sure we the people of America vote Obama out in 2012 !!!!!!
  • Sissy Phyl *I... 2012/04/13 11:42:52
    Sissy
    Yep, and then go back to the same failed policies and decisions that got us into this gawd-awful mess to begin with. Add more regression and viola, the hapless Right is back at it. Helluva thing to look forward to.
  • MLor 2012/04/11 02:51:15
    MLor
    +1
    Nice post.....makes sense!
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/04/11 01:54:56
    Teri- Oregon
    +2
    Amen sista, love this post. straight to the point.

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