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A serious question for women!

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/04/08 20:01:18
As a women I am seriously perplexed about what is going on in the heads of other women. We're women and we're strong, right? We don't need a man to take care of us or to tell us what to do, right? We can take care of ourselves and our families? I see women say that a mother can raise a child with no father and they'll turn out just fine! I see women wanting to fight about these things and to say otherwise is backwards and ridiculous.

BUT, suddenly women are saying that they need government or they won't be able to make the right decisions about their health or get their own birth control without forcing someone else to give it to them for free? They want everyone else out of their uterus but they need the entire government in it? The women that say this consider themselves PROGRESSIVE?

I say that Progressive and Liberal women are giving women a bad name. I think they are setting our gender back 200 years. If you can't take care of yourself maybe you shouldn't be a mother? If you need government to supply everything for you and your family all you've done is replace the traditional husband and father with GOVERNMENT?

I know what my fellow Conservative women think. They think they can take care of themselves and even include a husband and father. They don't need to exclude them, they just hopefully will find a good one.

So, ladies....which is it.....enabled or helpless?
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  • Kat ♪ 2012/04/08 20:08:31
    Kat ♪
    +77
    We are enabled.

    Liberal females are hopeless. (helpless) they want to blame everything on someone else like BO. They want to use sex as a hobby they need to pay for it, one way or the other. Progressing straight to socialism.

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  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 01:05:00
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Yep! And for those of us who have limited options as to what birth control will not screw with our medication, the stuff from Target is likely not an option.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 01:11:39
    gvc
    +1
    uh huh. Why am I not surprised. You don't even know the brand, yet you know it will not work.
    Stop making excuses. That is what this post is all about ....WOMAN UP!
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 01:14:04
    TheMadChameleon
    I know that my doctor spent a good while looking for a brand of birth control that does not conflict with my migraine medication, so no, it is not invalid, and it is not an excuse.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 01:19:22
    gvc
    +1
    Have you called target to inquire what brands are available at the 9 dollar price point? Um, NO.
    Just pay your co-pay and be on your way.
    What other medication is FREE? I don't know of any.
    Why should your birth control be free?
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 01:25:05
    TheMadChameleon
    My birth control should not be free. I have a co-pay; it is five dollars. I do not put up a fuss about it, because it is covered under insurance and affordable. This is all we ask.

    And if there were a Target in my area, that would be one thing. There is not.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 01:32:43
    gvc
    +2
    You have NO right to ask a Religious Organization to provide something when it is against their Religious convictions.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 01:40:43 (edited)
    TheMadChameleon
    So, if a student needs surgery and happens to attend a school run by Jehovah's Witnesses, they should have to pay tens of thousands of dollars our of pocket, lest there be a blood transfusion? What interesting logic. Most compassionate.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 01:44:49 (edited)
    gvc
    +3
    Why would a student that is not a Jehovah's Witness attend a school like that? If they are students and not 30 year old students they are still covered by their parents.
    You are trying to make others responsible for the poor decisions of your make believe student.
    Compassion has nothing to do with it......it's called ownership of your own choices.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 01:46:16
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Possibly because it is a good school? People should not have to choose between a good education and their health. I know plenty of non-Christians who attended Christian schoold for their educational programs.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 01:49:03
    gvc
    +1
    There are MANY GOOD SCHOOLS.
    Choose one that provides what you are looking for, and stop trying to force your issues on Religious Schools and Organizations.
    If you choose a Faith Based Education, then you will be subject to their rules. End of story!
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 01:50:26
    TheMadChameleon
    +2
    Religious freedom ends where health begins. The school need not even be associated with it.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 01:56:16
    gvc
    +2
    No darlin, it doesn't. You are VERY mistaken.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 02:01:44
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    So it is more important that a few people can feel righteous than that others are able to get medical care? Interesting logic.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:06:57
    gvc
    +1
    What's interesting is some make believe student would attend a Religious School and then demand they break faith to cover your ill considered choice of schools.
    You take that risk when you attend those schools, if the price is too steep for you, make another choice.
    The world should not have to turn itself inside out to accommodate YOU or anyone else.
    Furthermore, we are on to Liberal tactics and are not moved by your make believe stories and scenarios.
    Best Advice....make your choices wisely, they may cost you your life.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 02:11:08
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Make your choices wisely, yes, but a good education is one of those choices. At the hypothetical school, the student is thinking about their education, not the possibility of needing surgery. Likewise, most women who go to schools that do not cover the pill do so without thinking that during their school career they might develop cysts or fiberoids or something of that sort.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:17:54
    gvc
    +2
    Good educations are available at any number of schools.
    If you don't consider the possibilities and the consequences of attending a Religious school your are guilty of two things, ignorance and arrogance.
    Maybe Liberals should be teaching their offspring about the consequences of their decisions, instead of teaching they only need to demand loudly what they want and everyone will cow down to their wishes.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 02:21:23
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Mmm, consequences like putting your education first, taking scholarships if offered to avoid debt, ect ect? Such terrible lessons.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:28:53
    gvc
    Oh brother, you just don't get it do you?
    Maybe you should invest in some education.
    Start with ridding yourself of the "what if" and the poor pitiful me mindset.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 02:32:19
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Seriously? I am currently investing in education. And I'm hardly feeling sorry for myself here--I have healthcare, and I was fortunate enough to get into a great school with no petty religious restrictions on medical access. Just because I have it good doesn't mean I ought to shake my head at people whose circumstances I don't know and tell them that things that no one can predict ought to have been planned for. That sort of mindset is so narrow, it is ridiculous.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:40:53
    gvc
    +1
    It's called common sense. I know that Liberals are grossly lacking in that department, however , I believe they can be taught.
    If you find a Religious organizations policies "petty" you and others would do well not to attend that type of school.
    The real issue is the attack of Religious freedom by the Obama administration. Not birth control. He want's to force HIS will, and he has been met by an unmovable force. One that will not compromise it's faith to satisfy the demands of unbelievers.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 02:42:32
    TheMadChameleon
    +2
    It is petty when you put your own desires over the medical health of others, yes. So much for the compassion of religion!
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:47:10
    gvc
    It's petty when you attend a school that does not offer birth control as a health care option but demand they offer it to YOU because you want it.
    That is the epitome of petty, and arrogant!
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:49:55
    gvc
    Personally, I am not Catholic, and have no problem with birth control. However I would never try to force my will on the Catholic church. I would attend a school or work for an organization that does not have issues with it based on their faith.
    But that's just me....I can accept the boundaries of others without kicking up a fuss and demanding they bend to my desires.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 02:53:19
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    On the Catholic Church, no, that is their business. However, if someone comes in with outside insurance--which the people in question in this instance had--the school has no right to deny them access to their medication.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 03:01:33
    gvc
    +1
    Why would a school deny access to a student that has their own insurance and provides their own medication? That's a new one on me....and makes completely no sense.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 03:04:40
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    I hate relying on quotes to make my point, but I shall give one, because it is the source from which I got my information.

    “As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’

    “Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.

    “Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were

    This is from Sandra Fluke's transcript, referring to the friend who was denied coverage for her pills through the school, and had to have one of her ovaries removed.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 03:08:17
    gvc
    +1
    The question is what insurance company would not cover her birth control? I have never seen ANY insurance company refuse birth control unless the policy was written for a Religious Org. that had faith based objections.
    She would have to provide more information.
  • TheMadC... gvc 2012/04/09 03:21:54
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Yes, and unfortunately I do not know what birth control she uses, but regardless, this is a horrible situation.
  • gvc TheMadC... 2012/04/09 03:24:19
    gvc
    Her school could not prevent her from obtaining birth control from her own insurance company, nor would they.
    There are too many holes in this story, it doesn't make sense.
  • jubil8 ... gvc 2012/04/10 22:28:02
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    It was a group insurance plan that was SOLD to students. G'town REQUIRES its students to have health insurance that meets ITS standards. Then, when some students went to the university health service, they were denied coverage. Can you say Catch-22?
  • gvc jubil8 ... 2012/04/11 00:11:56
    gvc
    +1
    If they purchased insurance from the school instead of purchasing from another company that provided coverage that better fit their needs, they are pretty ignorant, and should not be attending Georgetown University.
    A student can not force a private insurance provider to cover anything....much less birth control.
    Nice try....their request is totally ignorant and arrogant.
  • jubil8 ... gvc 2012/04/11 03:00:24
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    "G'town REQUIRES its students to have health insurance that meets its standards." That means that MOST students purchase their health insurance from the G'town provider. Duh.

    G'town has a policy for university employees that covers BC. Why is it ignorant and arrogant for STUDENTS to want similar coverage? Their tuition pays employees.

    You don't get credit for a nice try.
  • Gracie ... jubil8 ... 2012/04/11 03:07:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    An EEOC ruling from 12 years ago mandated it in the employee insurance plan. It was an overreach of government into religion then and it still is.
  • Gracie ... TheMadC... 2012/04/09 03:19:47
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    BS, total heartstring BS. If her freaking mother cared so much about whether she gives her grandchildren, she could pay for it. Do you truly believe that story?
  • TheMadC... Gracie ... 2012/04/09 03:23:10
    TheMadChameleon
    +1
    Yes, actually, I do. I doubt her mother knew that the lack of birth control would get so bad, especially if she was noncommittal in that area to begin with.
  • Gracie ... TheMadC... 2012/04/11 03:11:07
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Well, I don't. Do you think that her insurance paid for her surgery at 100%? So, you think she couldn't afford a monthly birth control but she had money for surgery? If she had a legitimate need that she couldn't pay for there is pharmaceutical help...it's there! I know it is and you can't show me otherwise. This is a story, maybe the outcome is true, but not the real reason that she had surgery.
  • TheMadC... Gracie ... 2012/04/11 03:18:50
    TheMadChameleon
    You don't think ovarian cysts are a reason for surgery? You sure you don't just want to think badly of her? Seems to me you really just want an excuse. Many people who cannot afford surgery still have it anyways, because it is a last ditch resort. Heck, that's one of the reasons why Americans spend so much on health care--people think they cannot afford preventative treatment, and then they wind up having drastic surgery for otherwise treatable conditions. It's not something that she could put off, when it got to this point. You get it taken out NOW, and go into debt to pay for it if you have to. Or, in some cases, when someone truly can't pay, the hospital winds up picking up the costs, which raises the cost of medical care for everyone.
  • jubil8 ... Gracie ... 2012/04/10 22:29:47
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    How do you know what her mother could do? How do you know whether she, as an adult, thought she ought to make her own decisions and not go crying to Mommy?
  • Gracie ... jubil8 ... 2012/04/11 03:08:56
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Gee, don't go crying to mommy but cry to the government? I think you're making my point.
  • LadyBGood TheMadC... 2012/04/09 02:45:46
    LadyBGood
    +2
    it's called priorities..... sometimes in life you can't have your cake and eat it too.

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