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A serious question for women!

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/04/08 20:01:18
As a women I am seriously perplexed about what is going on in the heads of other women. We're women and we're strong, right? We don't need a man to take care of us or to tell us what to do, right? We can take care of ourselves and our families? I see women say that a mother can raise a child with no father and they'll turn out just fine! I see women wanting to fight about these things and to say otherwise is backwards and ridiculous.

BUT, suddenly women are saying that they need government or they won't be able to make the right decisions about their health or get their own birth control without forcing someone else to give it to them for free? They want everyone else out of their uterus but they need the entire government in it? The women that say this consider themselves PROGRESSIVE?

I say that Progressive and Liberal women are giving women a bad name. I think they are setting our gender back 200 years. If you can't take care of yourself maybe you shouldn't be a mother? If you need government to supply everything for you and your family all you've done is replace the traditional husband and father with GOVERNMENT?

I know what my fellow Conservative women think. They think they can take care of themselves and even include a husband and father. They don't need to exclude them, they just hopefully will find a good one.

So, ladies....which is it.....enabled or helpless?
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  • Kat 2012/04/08 20:08:31
    Kat
    +77
    We are enabled.

    Liberal females are hopeless. (helpless) they want to blame everything on someone else like BO. They want to use sex as a hobby they need to pay for it, one way or the other. Progressing straight to socialism.

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  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 22:03:01
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    How do you think they verify the gestational age?
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 22:10:30
    HAlex1972
    Through a pelvic exam.
  • Gracie ... HAlex1972 2012/04/17 22:19:51 (edited)
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    You can't accurately judge gestational age with just a pelvic exam. Most do an ultrasound to make sure of it. Perhaps if it's very early they might go by the pelvic exam. However, an intravaginal ultrasound isn't any more invasive than the pelvic exam itself.
  • JULIE Gracie ... 2012/04/18 01:37:10
    JULIE
    Are you saying you have had an abortion?
    Because no matter what you read, this is not true.
    Ive been myself and went with others and never an ultrasound for early term abortion.
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/19 08:13:37
    my2cents
    I disagree, Gracie. I've had both, pelvic exams and intrvaginal ultrasounds. The ultrasounds last FAR longer and are much more invasive, even uncomfortable.
  • JULIE Gracie ... 2012/04/18 01:26:22
    JULIE
    Not True
  • Sissy JULIE 2012/04/13 11:55:18
    Sissy
    +3
    Not the government that orders them, that's for sure.
  • Sissy JULIE 2012/04/14 10:53:59
    Sissy
    +3
    From what I've read and where much of the angst is coming from, its the woman who has to pay for it. Regardless if she wants it or her doctor thinks its necessary. The "evil", "wicked" government that the cons despise so sorely is demanding it and the Right thoroughly approves of it. Go figure.
  • Sissy Gracie ... 2012/04/13 11:54:48
    Sissy
    +3
    You are comparing apples to organges. It is one thing to have tests during a pregnacy or if you're going to have surgery, its quite another to have needless, expensive, government mandated ones that neither doctor or patient want. That argument doesn't make even a nickle's worth of sense.
  • Gracie ... Sissy 2012/04/13 15:18:23
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Sissy, they do exactly the same test right before you have an abortion. Yep, that's right, they do a tranvaginal untrasound, not even the non-invasive sonogram, to make sure of the gestational age. So, it's just more manufactured outrage over something that is already happening and no one even cared or objected.
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/14 06:37:29
    my2cents
    +3
    I don't believe that is true, Gracie. Sonograms can be done to determine fetal age, but not always transvaginal ultrasounds.

    I had sonograms during each of my three pregnancies to determine fetal age, but never a transvag ultrasound. The only time I had one of those was when I was being evaluated for ovarian cysts.
  • Sissy Gracie ... 2012/04/14 10:55:29
    Sissy
    +1
    You're rather missing the point. Don't you think that its "meddling" or "interfering" with a person's private life by the government which you cons rail against 24/7?
  • HAlex1972 Sissy 2012/04/17 15:19:18
    HAlex1972
    Good point, Sissy.
  • HAlex1972 Gracie ... 2012/04/17 15:18:33
    HAlex1972
    That's not true. Have you had one?
  • Sissy Opinion... 2012/04/13 11:51:14
    Sissy
    +2
    The "complaint" is, that for the government to demand those very expensive and intrusive tests (that she is responsible for paying), and are totally against a woman and her doctor's wishes is nothing short of obscene. You cons are a hoot, you know that? You rail 24/7 about the meddling, interferring goverment messing up your lives but you find it perfectly okay for them to meddle in the most private way possible and pass laws to do it. Go figure.
  • Gracie ... Carol 2012/04/10 22:21:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    1. I don't agree with vaginal sonograms, I think they are unnecessary. However, excuse me if I find the manufactured outrage to the point where it is called government rape when we know that the invasive and violent suction abortion which introduces a vacuum tube into the vagina, through the cervix and into the uterus to suck and dismember the unborn out of you, a bit disengenous.

    2. We opposed the Susan G. Komen organization giving money that was donated to fight against breast cancer to Planned Parenthood for abortions. Planned Parenthood does not do mammograms, period. We oppose it for the same reason that we oppose abortion, it's murder.

    3. If you actually listened to Rush Limbaugh, which I'm sure you didn't, he was making fun of Ms. Fluke for the amount of money that they said was spent on birth control. The amount was so outrageous that it implied that they were having an outrageous amount of sex. He shouldn't have used the word "slut" but again, I didn't hear the outrage at the slurs leveled at Sarah Palin and her daughters. I heard crickets and applause from the left. We all know that again, the outrage at the word is just more manufactured outrage.

    4. If individuals would stop buying into the groups that the left insists we label people with and started seei...

    1. I don't agree with vaginal sonograms, I think they are unnecessary. However, excuse me if I find the manufactured outrage to the point where it is called government rape when we know that the invasive and violent suction abortion which introduces a vacuum tube into the vagina, through the cervix and into the uterus to suck and dismember the unborn out of you, a bit disengenous.

    2. We opposed the Susan G. Komen organization giving money that was donated to fight against breast cancer to Planned Parenthood for abortions. Planned Parenthood does not do mammograms, period. We oppose it for the same reason that we oppose abortion, it's murder.

    3. If you actually listened to Rush Limbaugh, which I'm sure you didn't, he was making fun of Ms. Fluke for the amount of money that they said was spent on birth control. The amount was so outrageous that it implied that they were having an outrageous amount of sex. He shouldn't have used the word "slut" but again, I didn't hear the outrage at the slurs leveled at Sarah Palin and her daughters. I heard crickets and applause from the left. We all know that again, the outrage at the word is just more manufactured outrage.

    4. If individuals would stop buying into the groups that the left insists we label people with and started seeing people for the individuals they are and not the groups they shove us into the country would be less divided.

    What you didn't answer was the very basic question that I'm asking women....are you capable or are you a victim? You can't be both.
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  • Carol Gracie ... 2012/04/10 22:31:33
    Carol
    +7
    I could not disagree more. The government has no business telling women what medical procedures they have to have. Planned parenthood does cancer screening. Rush Limbaugh is disgusting. You seem to be the one that is labeling women. Many women are fighting outrageous GOP legislation aimed at denying their freedoms, I would call them and myself quite capable and courageous.
  • GirlyGirl™ Carol 2012/04/11 02:29:46
    GirlyGirl™
    Please go to this site, if you haven't already:

    weareultraviolet.org
  • Gracie ... Carol 2012/04/11 02:40:22
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    They don't do mammograms they use the money to refer women to other facilities. Why couldn't Susan G. Komen give the money to the facilities that actually do the tests? Rush Limbaugh is right and that's why everyone is outraged...they hate the truth.

    Also, I hate to have to rehash this because everyone knows that the government always tells you what medical tests you have to have everytime you have something done. If you have a baby you are mandated by government to have certain tests. If you have surgery or any medical procedure there are tests that you are mandated to have. My ex-husband is a physician and I've worked in doctors offices and hospitals for years and I assure you your point is bogus....absolutely bogus! It's all political non-sense. You show me that I'm wrong about it...go ahead and try.
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/11 05:17:22
    my2cents
    +3
    Rush Limbaugh wasn't right, he was being an ass.

    Even the Taliban has women who support their own oppression. You're one of them.
  • Gracie ... my2cents 2012/04/11 23:54:54
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Oh, really, that's just the lamest insult ever attempted. You're the one celebrating helplessness.
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/14 01:52:41
    my2cents
    +1
    I'm sure you can find some women to flog for having their hair showing.
  • Carol Gracie ... 2012/04/11 16:25:03
    Carol
    +1
    If you go to your doctor for a cancer screening he will refer you to a facility for a mammogram, correct? Thats how it works. Please tell me what previous law said that you have to have a probe inserted in you bodies' opening before you can have a legal medical procedure. Of course you have tests before surgery, ones that are necessary and decided on by you and your doctor.
  • Gracie ... Carol 2012/04/11 23:57:53
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Why wouldn't Susan G Komen cut out PP as the middle man? They do what they want with the money and it does pay for abortions. It's the same with the slight of hand known as the Mexico City Policy.
  • Carol Gracie ... 2012/04/12 02:01:18
    Carol
    +1
    WOW can you prove your ridiculous statements? When you go see your gynecologist and they do cancer screening, do you get a referral for a mammogram? And you never answered the question about government medical procedures that are state laws.
  • Lynn Gracie ... 2012/04/11 23:12:09
    Lynn
    +1
    So let me just ask you how many children have you adopted? My guess is none u just want to tell other women what to do.I also bet you are for the death penelty right? So whit that being said, how do you feel about your tax dollars going to surport these kids when thay are out of the womens body? I am sure you dont mind that do you...because after all abortions are murder right.
  • Gracie ... Lynn 2012/04/12 02:10:25
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    My daughter has two, I'm past the age of adoptions unless you consider they are my grandchildren...how many do you have?
  • susan Gracie ... 2012/04/15 18:40:45
    susan
    Gracie, those tests are not necessarily mandated by the government, but by the medical community's legal advisors and the insurance establishment in order to protect them from lawsuits. In most cases, the tests are informative and save lives by finding the few who may have hidden problems.
  • Gracie ... Carol 2012/04/12 02:14:56 (edited)
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Well...well...well! Guess what I just found out and I have you "outraged" women to thank! A transvaginal ultrasound is UNIVERSALLY PERFORMED before an abortion! LMAO!!! Yep, you want an "dilatation and evacuation" or otherwise known as an abortion, you get the same sonogram! So, you can go put your manufactured outrage away where it belongs.
  • Carol Gracie ... 2012/04/12 15:44:27
    Carol
    +1
    Do you not understand the concept of choice? When a procedure is needed for treatment? Not forced by state (usually man) law makers.
    In general, a D&C is used to help determine the health of the uterine lining or to remove abnormal tissue. Occasionally, the procedure can correct some of the problems in the uterus such as polyps, scar tissue, or tissue overgrowth.
  • Gracie ... Carol 2012/04/12 21:38:42
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I'm not talking about a D&C! Geez, I swear.
  • Carol Gracie ... 2012/04/13 14:50:42
    Carol
    +1
    And if someone chooses to have an abortion, then they also choose the necessary test that go with that procedure, according to their doctor. Why do you want women back in the stone age?
  • Gracie ... Carol 2012/04/13 15:19:30
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I don't want women in the stone age, you guys are the ones putting us there. Waaa, I want everything and I want someone to pay for it. That is hardly what we mean by strong women.
  • Carol Gracie ... 2012/04/13 17:05:21 (edited)
    Carol
    +2
    Why do you want women discriminated against.

    excluding contraceptives from prescription coverage illegally discriminates against women under Title VII of the federal Civil Rights Act.

    Three-quarters of American women of childbearing age rely on employer-sponsored plans for their health coverage, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a research group that works to broaden access to family planning services. Yet half of all large group-insurance plans do not cover any form of prescription contraception, and only a third cover the Pill. While most HMOs do cover oral contraception, only about 40% cover all five of the FDA-approved prescription birth control methods available in this country.
  • my2cents Gracie ... 2012/04/14 06:53:21
    my2cents
    I don't believe that, Gracie.

    Will you please start linkiing the sources of all your revelations? I'd like to see what right wing blog sites you use for information.
  • susan Carol 2012/04/15 18:37:45
    susan
    Carol, the issue is not that women's freedoms are being denied, but that certain so-called Democrat, "progressive" people are demanding that the government mandate and require insurance companies to pay for certain procedures, including birth control.
    Remember the argument in Roe v Wade, with the progressives insisting that abortion (and birth control) was a private matter between a woman and her doctor? Seems we have come full circle, with the liberal progressives now being the ones who want government to make the rules and pay the bills while the conservatives are the ones saying thay want government to keep their hand's off their bodies and their decisions? Interesting how the political culture can spin an issue for political gain and make unthinking people fall for specious argument.
  • Carol susan 2012/04/15 20:24:11
    Carol
    It is called prescription coverage. Why should women be denied their prescription coverage? They are already denied equal pay, and equal rights. Thats freedoms denied. Taking birth control pills is not a procedure. Its conservatives asking for women to have procedures done with probes into their bodies. Nice try at spinning.
  • susan Carol 2012/04/16 14:59:37
    susan
    Prescription coverage is not a civil right and has nothing to do with individual freedom There is nothing in law that requires private business to provide any services for free. They are in business to make a profit, and, by doing so, provide jobs to the rest of us to make services and products that we consumers will pay for.
    People who ask for taxpayer-paid government services for free must comply with the rules that that government makes in providing those services. People who ask for services from non-profit associations paid for by donations and taxpayer-paid government grants must also follow the rules set by those associations.
    Freedom of choice allows those who do not want to pay for those services or who do not want to abide by the rules associated with those services to not take advantage of those services.
    That was, ultimately, the ruling in Roe v Wade, that the government had no right to deny abortion services if that was a woman's choice.
    Now the liberals are trying to spin that ultimate freedom of a woman to make her own choices by demanding government force insurers to pay for these services. When government does so, it also will then have the right to dictate sterilization, the number of children a woman is allowed to have, etc. Go back to 1925 and read some of the arguments in the sterilization legislation proposed.
  • Carol susan 2012/04/16 15:26:53
    Carol
    I am sure we will continue to disagree, but thank you for a civil discussion, it seems rare.

    Who said free, you pay for your health insurance, and pay for you prescription plan, but women don't get coverage that men get. How is that not unequal rights?
    Within weeks of hitting the U.S. market in 1998, more than half of Viagra prescriptions received health insurance coverage. If many women weren't already outraged that they had to pay for birth control out of pocket, they were infuriated at the preference given to the anti-impotence pills.

    But the fury over Viagra may have given the fight for contraception covered under insurance plans just the momentum it needed. Women's groups say they're making significant progress in their battle to get reimbursed for birth control, even though insurers still argue that covering contraception will boost already skyrocketing health-care premiums.
  • susan Carol 2012/04/16 18:25:55
    susan
    Please, where are you getting your statistics on Viagra? Most private insurance plans do not pay for it. Blue Cross/Blue Shield did not pay for it when he was covered by his employer's plan. and Medicare does not pay for it - my husband is on Medicare, with a Medicare supplement drug plan, and just filled his prescriptions last week.
    The cost of 15 pills (100 mg) was $371.00= $24.73 per pill, which he pays personally.

    On the other hand, I take Prempro (though not for birth control), and pay only the co-pay, as the drug supplement plan I am on pays for the rest. I have the option of taking a generic and not running it through my supplement plan, paying only $9 per month for the generic.

    This is a red herring set up by the Dem political machine to make gullible women think that they are being treated unfairly. It is not true, at least not for most of the people of this country taking these drugs.

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