Quantcast

A New Way To Punish Criminals? Why Not A Return To Some Of The Old Ways Instead?

chaoskitty123 2010/11/28 09:43:40
Sounds good
Sounds bad
Sounds like a start to something better but needs...
I dunno
You!
Add Photos & Videos
In my group here called Center Ground, I raised some interesting points from a Centrist point of view about crime and punishment.

First off, most punishments we have don't work because most people never think about being caught, think they'll get away with it or that they can beat the system. The idea of imprisonment was something the Founding Fathers developed from the New Enlightenment period and considering how out of control the system was in their day and how the laws varied so much from country to country and state to state, something more uniform was needed... prison was the answer. Prison was also viewed as a way to reform criminals but often, reform either proved to be another form of torture or did absolutely no good. Prison is essentially, a place where we throw people so they are out of sight and out of mind. We know they are raped, beaten and even killed behind bars.

The story of Cool Hand Luke presented us with the failures of the system. In the movie, we are presented with a man who was arrested for breaking parking meters who was thrown into prison where he's put on a chain gang, abused and for all the bad things, he still enjoyed some normalcy like playing cards... and he escaped. The punishment was greater than the crime committed, the abuse that happened behind bars was unnecessary and if he were a predator of human beings... his escape reveals how weak the system is to keep them from harming us again.



So here are my views and let's see if you're too much of a bleeding heart or hard ass to accept them...

First, a person who steals a dvd doesn't deserve jail as punishment but neither do they deserve a slap on the wrist... they deserve a whip across the back carried out in public where people who want to help the man / woman can then help them rebuild their life if needed while they are most sympathetic instead of months later when they won't care and the criminal is released. A doctor or nurse would be at the scene so the persons health is taken care of and they can get on with their life going back to their jobs, family and livelihood after the item they stole is paid for. This in turn could provide the most valuable reform by getting the community involved to help this person and bring them into the community instead of being outcasts as many criminals feel they are. Each time they commit another minor crime, the whipping is doubled until the judge has to look at another form of punishment for the persons self preservation. This is only for non violent offenders.

Non violent criminals who prove to be repeat offenders where a whip won't resolve the issue would be sent to work camps where they would work during the day and sleep at the camp undergoing rehabilitation. These people would be forcibly removed from communities which are viewed as contributing to their criminal behavior and possibly relocated to rural communities if they are urban and ghost towns if they still cannot be rehabilitated with their task being to rebuild the town to make it livable again as a rehabilitated community built by rehabilitated criminals.

For violent crime, we would take a different direction. While basic violence could be regarded as "non violent" in statute (fighting for instance), these crimes would be regarded as putting others at risk. This would fall under rehabilitation laws where these people would literally be put in a boot camp living in tents eating bologna sandwiches much like what Sheriff Joe Arpaio is doing in Arizona. Those who are sentenced to this would not simply be abandoned to it as rehab specialists would oversee these camps which would be run like a standard military boot camp and during the hours set aside for reform, they would have to prove they have reformed to be given their freedom. Based on how violent the crime, they would be returned to society under a monitoring program set up through private donations by those who support rehab. For the victims of violence like spousal abuse, the victims will also be required to undergo rehab because for every hammer... there's an anvil enabling it to beat it and children are what we create who are more likely to repeat the process.

The next catagory are predators. People who victimize others repeatedly or have committed crimes like rape, child molestation or where efforts to reform them have failed. These criminals would be taken into the desert where new communities would be built surrounded by military bases. These criminals would wear a tracking bracelet and have an implanted tracking device within their bodies. In these communities, they would live normal lives to a degree. They will be given jobs no one else wants to do to earn an income. This income will be used to go into a special victims fund to repay the victims of their crimes and their families. In cases where the victims are homeless, prostitutes or others somewhat abandoned by those who know them... the money would go to special funds to help others like the victims. These communities would allow these violent offenders to live a somewhat normal life because it is permanent... there is no release from this and the government will not pay for their upkeep. Drill sergeants from the military bases would arrive to get these people to work and to obey a disciplined life. Their jobs might include replanting the desert as there were once trees in the desert before mankind came and the Anasazi cut most of them down in the regions where they lived. They would receive tokens instead of money and these tokens would pay for their needs. Family and friends sending money to them could increase their tokens but the money goes to the victims funds. They use tokens for food, electricity and luxuries like televisions. They work hard and do what they are told, they get more tokens. They refuse to do what they are told... they don't go to a traditional prison, they go to the next level of punishment.

The worst offenders like murderers would be sent to an American version of the French Foreign Legion in the Sahara desert or some other forbidding place where there would be no escape. Here, as with the French Foreign Legion, they would live a life of hardship and reform where they would become an auxiliary military force who would fight where called to fight and possibly earn their freedom with valor in battle rather than awards. For the very worst, they would be sent to Antarctica (or an equivalent) where they must fight for their survival against the elements and survive on the very basics of life provided to them such as a can of beans for every day they're alive.

For violent offenders, there must be a military presence and mercy would be judged on the mercy they show their victims. Predators accused of crimes like rape would be allowed access to legal books and legal services in cases where they might have been falsely accused. They could not reduce their sentences but they could fight to prove their innocence. People could visit the convicts who knew them, as long as they are not their victims, and they could provide luxury items to their loved ones removed from them. For the violent criminals, they would live lives where as long as they stay where they are told to stay, they can have normal lives and even marry as long as they follow strict rules where they do not procreate or their children will be adopted out at birth / given to family members (just an optional view for the less dangerous). If they try to escape... they will be pursued by the military or even shot. Their freedom within these communities is conditional and for any murderer who tries to escape... they will be shot. These communities will be monitored by surveillance cameras and gps used to monitor where they are at all times.

Final Note

One problem we have is that many communities make millions of dollars by having a prison nearby. No one should make money off of crime and while these communities make millions, the taxpayers are the ones paying every dime of that. The victims often are left with nothing for their loss, the criminals are rarely rehabilitate when you look at the crime rate of prisoners released back into society and the entire system right now benefits no one.

Steal some minor items like dvd's, punch someone because you're angry or go on a joy ride in someones car but do not damage to it... serve six months in jail losing your job, relationships can end in divorce and they can be victimized behind bars being raped, beaten or killed. Sentencing people to longer terms increases the likelihood of harm and when they get out... everything they knew or had might be gone. Something needs to be done for people who are not habitual criminals or predators and whipping should be an option.

For habitual criminals where lesser punishments aren't enough and rehab fails, we need to remove these people from society... but what is more humane, a traditional prison costing us tens of thousands of dollars per criminal per year... or an isolated community where they live normal lives, work for a living to pay back the victims of their crimes and understand they must do what they are told?

Think about it... we could save hundreds of billions of dollars in prison costs every year, the perpetrators get humane treatment and they pay the victims of their crimes back instead of taxpayers paying through the nose where no one benefits at all. And the worst of the lot... even they are shown mercy when they might otherwise be executed. But for the predators, there is a price to be paid if they try to escape as they have only escaped the death penalty as long as they stay where they are told to stay and escape means a soldier has the legal right to shoot them.

But for serial killers and those who would be a threat even to fellow convicts... execution and traditional prisons would be the only option with no release possible.

How would we pay for it all? Removing the minor criminals using the whip (which could be a voluntary option) and the non violent criminals would be sent to ghost towns or tent cities as described above. Older prisons and jails could then be closed down as the prisoners are consolidated into the newer prisons in a process that frees up billions of dollars that could be put into the new system as we move towards developing the system for the more violent criminals.

The question about rehabilitation and punishment will never be answered by the current prison system and system of justice. What I propose is a new idea using old ideas to rehabilitate the criminal justice system itself!




Add a comment above

Sort By
  • Most Raves
  • Least Raves
  • Oldest
  • Newest
Opinions

  • JCD aka "biz" 2010/12/08 16:14:56
    Sounds bad
    JCD aka "biz"
    A person who steals a DVD deserves to be whipped across the back in public? This does not sound very "centrist" to me!
  • soyousay 2010/12/05 09:43:40
    Sounds bad
    soyousay
    +1
    This sounds rather sick...there is a reason we changed our ways of punishment. One person’s crime does not give the right to be cruel ourselves.
  • Boudicca 2010/11/29 01:57:00 (edited)
    Sounds like a start to something better but needs...
    Boudicca
    I wish there had been a spot for "I think..."

    Certainly the boot camp idea has been implemented in some States and, according to creditable studies, has shown some promise. Certainly our System is sometimes out of balance. The term "multiple sex offender" should disappear from our vocabulary. That should be a three strike offense right off the bat, as, again, creditable studies have shown predators are usually caught only after having commited dozens of offenses.

    If I had to choose between "Are We Too Soft On Crime" or "Are We Too Hard On Crime," I would have to give my OPINION (gosh I wish we could underline here instead of "shout cap") that we are too soft.

    Clearly, Coolhand Luke was an everyman who didn't intend to go quietly. If his was the only case I knew about, and if I were presented with the two choices above, I'd say we are too hard on crime.

    (And a public caning? Not the worst idea. What we don't have in our Justice System is demonstrable cause and effect. Due to a clogged docket, etc., witnesses move away, are "encouraged" to recall events differently, the sheer bloody horror of the crime has been diluted by time, and so the case too often ends up being all about the "poor defendant."

    Something is clearly scewed. But one thing's for sure. The ACLU and our...

    I wish there had been a spot for "I think..."

    Certainly the boot camp idea has been implemented in some States and, according to creditable studies, has shown some promise. Certainly our System is sometimes out of balance. The term "multiple sex offender" should disappear from our vocabulary. That should be a three strike offense right off the bat, as, again, creditable studies have shown predators are usually caught only after having commited dozens of offenses.

    If I had to choose between "Are We Too Soft On Crime" or "Are We Too Hard On Crime," I would have to give my OPINION (gosh I wish we could underline here instead of "shout cap") that we are too soft.

    Clearly, Coolhand Luke was an everyman who didn't intend to go quietly. If his was the only case I knew about, and if I were presented with the two choices above, I'd say we are too hard on crime.

    (And a public caning? Not the worst idea. What we don't have in our Justice System is demonstrable cause and effect. Due to a clogged docket, etc., witnesses move away, are "encouraged" to recall events differently, the sheer bloody horror of the crime has been diluted by time, and so the case too often ends up being all about the "poor defendant."

    Something is clearly scewed. But one thing's for sure. The ACLU and our Liberal Courts won't help us fix it, and yet oour law officers are all too often on a first name basis with the person they're arresting. Solomon himself would be hard pressed to sort it out.

    Your thought-provoking post IS the place to start. We need to shine a light on this subject. I love Sheriff Joe - and the criminals hate him - so he IS on the right track and the common man knows it. Weight rooms and wide-screen TV's and basketball Courts plus three hots and a cot at $38,000 per year per inmate is a ridiculous way to "reward" criminal convictions. But I very much fear someone, somewhere, WILL succeed in bringing him and others like him down - it is only a matter of time in a culture that glorifies "Thug Life." And that is perhaps the most insane part of it all.
    (more)
  • Boudicca Boudicca 2010/11/29 02:11:04
    Boudicca
    Great and thought-provoking blog, chaoskitty. Thanks!!
  • 2010now 2010/11/28 23:18:14
    Sounds good
    2010now
    +1
    Travel to Singapore to see it in action. Don't worry about the crime there is none.
  • Boudicca 2010now 2010/11/29 02:06:49
    Boudicca
    Tell me - I'm really interested! How do they deal with crime there?

    I keep hearing about all the raids that are going on in Rio just to clean things up for the 2014 Olympics. 4 (-) years off and they are starting NOW, Rio is so rotted through with crime. Sounds like Brazil has some MAJOR problems and could take a page out of Singapore's book!
  • 2010now Boudicca 2010/11/29 18:14:26
  • Boudicca 2010now 2010/11/29 20:40:45
    Boudicca
    Very interesting. It is clear if criminals something tanglible to fear... Didn't realize this punishment had 'colonial' roots. Thanks for the info.
  • jerrbear 2010/11/28 19:56:43
    Sounds like a start to something better but needs...
    jerrbear
    +1
    Put a uniform on them and send them overseas
  • Edward 2010/11/28 13:36:51
    Sounds like a start to something better but needs...
    Edward
    to be done with some class and what I mean by that that is so people getting hung or what ever on T.V. ,talk about ratings they would be out of this world but the show would have to be on after the children where in bed and coming up with a name for the show.
  • irish 2010/11/28 12:59:58
    Sounds good
    irish
    +1
    i agree,there are too many people held in prisons for petty crimes. this ,of course,causes the over crowding of the prisons. which in turn overwhelms the staff and too much attention is spent on everyday problems that overcrowding causes. i agree punishment should be punishment. and hard core criminals should meet the same fates as their victims.
  • BlackREBEL$OULJA 2010/11/28 11:35:32
    Sounds good
    BlackREBEL$OULJA
    Cool hand Luke was a classic a spiritual journey about a man lost then found then lost again I can relate ! His mother never figured him out close to the end apparently a war hero who just wondered off but after her death he could not find himself he was no longer that energy that vessel even telling the other prisoners he had fed with spirit for so long to stop feeding off him .. But true if we would start chopping off hands of thieves and harsher punishments for criminals and molesters rapists we maybe could slow down a lot of crime ..

See Votes by State

The map above displays the winning answer by region.

News & Politics

2014/11/27 11:58:08

Hot Questions on SodaHead
More Hot Questions

More Community More Originals